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"dont give up on huck yet"
« on: January 29, 2008, 11:48:58 AM »
Great article. Looks at strategy, states and the FOX debacle.

Don't Give Up on Huckabee

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:28 AM

By: Doug Wead Article Font Size

Talking heads are saying that the race for the GOP nomination is now between John McCain and Mitt Romney. But as Lee Corson would say on College Game Day, “not so fast.”


Gov. Mike Huckabee’s campaign has already startled the wearisome herd of pundits who visit the same watering holes in the Boston, New York, Washington corridor. Last September he was considered “peaking” as the national favorite of 9 percent of GOP voters which put him behind the anointed media winner Rudolph Giuliani, followed by Fred Thompson, John McCain, Mitt Romney and even New Gingrich, who had already signaled he wasn’t going to run.


In January, the same ABC polls showed him second only to McCain nationwide and leading in Iowa.


While the same mindless herd now gives it all to John McCain, with the same certainty that they had once consistently held for two years for Rudolph Giuliani, and while this time the herd is probably right, there are still some looming stories on the horizon for the Feb. 5 Super Tuesday primary. As Lee Corso would say, “not so fast.”


As of today, McCain will carry New York and California, which is, gulp, saying a lot, and neighboring states like New Jersey, Connecticut, and his home state of Arizona. Romney will try to make his stand in Illinois and carry Colorado, Utah, and Idaho. And Giuliani states, New Mexico, Delaware, and Minnesota will probably abandon the mayor after his expected trouncing in Florida.


With Huck and Romney splitting the conservative vote in those states (oh, yes, there are conservatives in moderate-liberal states, and they are usually more conservative than many in the South,) McCain will probably pick up those too.


But while Huckabee is being written off, perhaps a good thing leading into Super Tuesday, Huckabee is still leading in Georgia, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Alabama and his home state of Arkansas, all Southern states with higher delegate counts to the GOP convention than proportionate population. At this writing he is still ahead of McCain in the big Texas event set for March 4.


The three, McCain, Romney, and Huckabee are virtually tied for Missouri.


So why then is this being portrayed as a McCain-Romney contest? Who decided that Gov. Mike Huckabee is out? Obviously not the voters.


Huckabee may have been partly done in by an unlikely source. “The Fair and Balanced” Fox television network. Remember, you were warned, it is fair and balanced, (wink, wink) but evangelical Christians failed to believe it.


They became lazy, relying on Fox, who does indeed show some cultural diversity in its programming, to sort all of this out for them.


There is good evidence to suggest that Huckabee has been “Miered.”


Now, to explain what it means to become “Miered” you will have to venture back into my archives at Newsmax.com. You know what it means to be “Borked”? That’s when you’re denied something that you should probably get. As in Robert Bork, America’s premier judicial mind being denied his Supreme Court spot because liberals in the Senate decided he was too conservative.


Well, being “Miered” is different. It is when you are accused by conservatives of being liberal even when you aren’t. As when Judicial Committee Chairman, Sam Brownback, Ann Coulter, Bill Bennet, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Paul Weyrich all openly questioned the conservative bona fides of George W. Bush’s nomination to the Supreme Court, Harriet Miers.


Now, Harriet Miers, everyone now knows, is very conservative and always was.


Her problem was that she was an evangelical Christian and her antagonists on television, those who questioned her conservatism, from Brownback to Weyrich, were all so-called movement conservatives. They were all Catholic, wanting another appointment of their own. Can’t fault that. Someone who they knew and saw at the G.K. Chesterton night dinners.


Of course, the evangelicals need the Catholic spokesmen and thinkers and activists. In the past, they enthusiastically supported the nominations of Catholic Supreme Court appointments, Richard Bork, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and John Roberts. And although Bork didn’t make it, they tried hard for him too.


Today, along with Anthony Kennedy, there are now five Catholic justices on the Supreme Court, two Jewish Justices, a woman justice, and two blacks, all commendable. Even the gay community proudly claims one: Justice John Souter, who although not gay, was embraced by many in the community and has consistently supported them on almost every issue. (Souter was a puzzling appointment by George H.W. Bush. I was on staff in the White House at the time and was curious to learn of the immediate support of Ted Kennedy.)


So why not a born again justice? Someone to represent the 42 percent of Americans who according to Gallup claim to be born again Christians? I had had that discussion with George W. Bush a dozen times since 1987, how evangelicals chaffed under an IRS and INS devoid of anyone of their faith and how it led to abuse and how the absence of evangelical federal judges led to nuisance lawsuits that crippled evangelical congregations.


So I was delighted that he remembered and made the Harriet Mier’s nomination.


It was a wrong he was trying to make right. The problem was that the evangelicals were asleep at the switch. They didn’t even see it happening. And the movement conservatives where appalled. What? We don’t know her? Why not Sam Alito? Or someone we know? And so they rushed to their stations at Fox to declare she was not one of them, not a true conservative and her nomination collapsed.


Now, we evangelicals are good sports. And we rallied to good old Catholic, Samuel Alito, and we put him on the Court too, with our phone calls and letters. And most conservative evangelicals would say he sure beats anyone who Obama or Clinton will pick, but couldn’t we have had just one? Just one?


This is what happened when Mike Huckabee appeared on the scene.


Fox had been talking about Catholic Giuliani for two years. Can’t blame em. They all live in New York City. It isn’t often that a politician actually does something you can see and they could all see the end of crime at the hands of the mayor. Impressive. And they held out for Newt Gingrich, teasing us for months, and finally poured on the gas for Fred Thompson. So when Southern Baptist, Gov. Mike Huckabee appeared out of nowhere, well, who was he?


He didn’t quote G. K. Chesterton, he quoted Francis Schaeffer.


Fox may have actually learned something since the Miers episode, at least behind the scenes. It knows that it needs evangelical viewers too, that Catholic conservatives are the intelligentsia, the spokesmen of conservatives, the leaders, but the money and numbers are almost all evangelical.


So this time the attacks were less impulsive than they were for Miers. Nonetheless, Phyllis Schaffly and others challenged Huckabee’s conservative credentials and enough damage was done. Of course, it was pure nonsense.


The problem was that many evangelicals fell asleep at the wheel, trusting Fox to look out for them, failing to do their due diligence, failing to believe that Fox really is fair and balanced and not their conservative watch dog. Many are only now waking up to the fact that Huck was their man all the time and they just didn’t see it.


This past week I received a call from the pastor of a large Florida church who had just met Huck and was blown away and quite surprised. “I had been watching Fox,” he said, “I didn’t realize Huckabee was a true conservative. In the Bush, senior campaign of 1988, we met this same pastor, had our photo with him, and had him promoting us for two years before the Florida primary.


This time he was just coming around, too late to do much.


Evangelicals and movement conservatives need each other. Without evangelicals, Ann Coulter’s books would have never made the best-seller lists, Ed Feulner’s buildings would not have been purchased, and Phyllis Schlafly would have run out of hair spray long ago. But sorting all of this out in advance was critical to a Mike Huckabee’s shot at the White House. And now?


The GOP will likely get John McCain but even so, as Lee Corso would say, squinting into the camera lens and pinching a little bit of air with his thumb and finger, “Yes, yes, it will be McCain, but this one will be closer than they think! Closer than they think!”


Doug Wead, presidential historian, is The New York Times best-selling author of "All the Presidents’ Children." He also wrote biographies for both the Reagan and Bush campaigns. He has served as an adviser on evangelical matters to two presidents. Visit http://dougwead.wordpress.com/.





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Re: "dont give up on huck yet"
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 12:07:24 PM »
Give it a rest.  ::)

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2008, 12:21:30 PM »
Get over it with Huck, this is becoming a rather strange and crazy obsession you got. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2008, 12:24:27 PM »
Huckabee isn't done. If he has a good enough showing in Florida even though it is a winner take all he is still strong is some polls for Super Tuesday. Missouri, Georgia just to name a couple. If McCain and Romney split some states Huckabee could sneak in and be a player come the Convention. I don't agree with Chaim that Romney is better. Or that we should just snub Huckabee when he is the lesser of the evils left in the race. Hunter endorsed him for G-d Sake.
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 12:26:24 PM »
Its funny no one really mentions Hucks history when he was the Gov of Arkansas (more Govs of Arkansas) notice its becoming where this sewage comes from.   Huckabee jacked up taxes in the state more then Bill Clinton.  And he is dead in the water now the public has seen enough of what a phoney he is.  And I warned everyone about him.  Huckabee flip flopped over and over again on immigration.  He is not consistant.

And as far as Israel goes.  They all say a great game when they want your votes and then they shaft when elected.  Bush use to say the same thing in 2000 and 04, and in 08 he is trying to pressure Israel into these "piss" agreements with Arab filth.
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2008, 12:31:58 PM »
You attack Huckabee and yes he does have down sides. But they pail in comparison to Romney or Rudy. He flip flopped on Abortion, Gay Rights, Health Care (His Health Care program in Mass. was simulary to Hillary's proposal) he hired illegal aliens to do his lawn when he was governor. When asked what he would do about Iran he said that he would call his lawyer. He said that his kids don't have a serve in the military because they are serving the county by helping him run for president. And he has no real position on Israel which is the most important issue this election.

If we get another Bush or Clinton it could mean the end of Israel's post 1967 borders. when I whigh my options Huckabee is the lesser of all the evils still in the race. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2008, 12:33:07 PM »
More of Huckabee being a phoney.. I hope people on the forum aren't that easy to convince.

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28674&only&rss

Huckabee with McCain,


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3071028.ece

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2008, 12:38:32 PM »
You know how much i believe the sincerity of any of em?  None.  We will se the out come of Florida he is not going to win Florida.

Huckabee on immigration

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200712/POL20071204b.html

Romney on immigration

http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/Record_Immigration
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2008, 02:17:44 PM »
Huckabee's latest campaign proposal looks an awful like Tancrado's not only that Romney is a cronic flip flopper. Plus the Romney one comes from his site while the Huckabee link you give is from CBS which is part of the liberal media.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2008, 04:11:05 PM »
Huckabee's done for I'm afraid ::)

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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2008, 04:16:02 PM »
I wouldn't be that quick to judge at this point in the race but we will see.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2008, 05:10:29 PM »
The taxation hike thing master wolf keep banging on about is a lie, it was VOTED BY THE ARKANSAS PEOPLE, for a 400 million pound road, that created 40 000 jobs.

Huckabee arrived at AKANSAS with a minus 250 million defficet and left it with a 850 million defficet...

Masterwolf hates huckabee because i like him and think hes rightous, sicne chaim, the minute men, duncan hunter and tom delay etc endorsed him and CATHLICSONLINE endorsed him then i find it amusing that masterwolf hates him so much, but is so hapy to endorse romney even though he RAN LEFT WING OF TED KENNEDY...


You lot predicted that mccain was finished and YOU WERE WRONG.

You lot including chaim predicted that romney would lose in michigan and was finshed YOU AND CHAIM WERE WRONG....


This race is full of surprises, it wasnt long ago JTF were expecting ruudy to win, so lets be honest JTF'S predictions thus far have been shockong as has mine as this is such a unpredictable race....


I wonder if masterwolf is still backing ruudy :rolleyes:

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2008, 06:59:09 PM »
Huckabee has zero chance on defeating the Dems remember that.  And you still banking on Huckabee close to an obsession. I may look into Romney. I DO NOT TRUST Huckabee
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2008, 07:56:44 PM »
It's still early but:

McCain is at 33.9%
Romney is at 33.4%
Guiliani is at 14.1%
Huckabee is at 13.7%

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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2008, 08:06:00 PM »
Huckabee has zero chance on defeating the Dems remember that.  And you still banking on Huckabee close to an obsession. I may look into Romney. I DO NOT TRUST Huckabee

errrrrrr HE WAS GOVENOR OF ARKANSAW which is clinton teritory, if he can win there twice he can sure beat the clintons...

Hmmmm chaim said huckabee had the best chance, i trust him over you...

ROFLFLFLFLF at your boy ruudy running in third and spending millions reoy ustill going to vote for him

Huckabee barely even bothered in florida...

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2008, 08:07:29 PM »
Huckabee has zero chance on defeating the Dems remember that.  And you still banking on Huckabee close to an obsession. I may look into Romney. I DO NOT TRUST Huckabee

errrrrrr HE WAS GOVENOR OF ARKANSAW which is clinton teritory, if he can win there twice he can sure beat the clintons...

Hmmmm chaim said huckabee had the best chance, i trust him over you...

ROFLFLFLFLF at your boy ruudy running in third and spending millions reoy ustill going to vote for him

Huckabee barely even bothered in florida...

PMSL

Get this through your head,  after today Huckabee is done. In fact I can settle for a Romney over Huckabee.  YOU obviously do not pay attention Huckabee would be a cake walk for the Dems.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2008, 08:09:40 PM »
Huckabee has zero chance on defeating the Dems remember that.  And you still banking on Huckabee close to an obsession. I may look into Romney. I DO NOT TRUST Huckabee

errrrrrr HE WAS GOVENOR OF ARKANSAW which is clinton teritory, if he can win there twice he can sure beat the clintons...

Hmmmm chaim said huckabee had the best chance, i trust him over you...

ROFLFLFLFLF at your boy ruudy running in third and spending millions reoy ustill going to vote for him

Huckabee barely even bothered in florida...

PMSL

If you been listening to Chaim he also is giving up on Huckabee where have you been the Huckabee thrill been long over for weeks now.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2008, 08:09:52 PM »
Huckabee has zero chance on defeating the Dems remember that.  And you still banking on Huckabee close to an obsession. I may look into Romney. I DO NOT TRUST Huckabee

Your hate for Huckabee over all the other phoney candidate, with all respect, seems out of line.

The issue is not whether taxes are higher or lower, it's how well you use the money. Huckabee used it well in Arkansas.

On every other issue Huckabee is the most conservative one in the race. He flipped on immigrtion, but Romney flipped on EVERTYING! So why woul d you be so vehemently against Huckabee and not Romney?

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2008, 08:12:03 PM »
I think Christians for Jews might have a point. McCain and Romney might be splitting the liberal Republican vote which means Huckabee could sneak in if his popularity continues to grow as it has.
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2008, 08:14:09 PM »
After today, Huckabee better do the ultimate comeback for Super Tuesday other wise it over for him for sure.  And Romney can give McPain a run for his money and if anyone that needs to be defeated is MCPAIN.  I just don't see Huckabee doing that.
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2008, 08:15:11 PM »
Huckabee has zero chance on defeating the Dems remember that.  And you still banking on Huckabee close to an obsession. I may look into Romney. I DO NOT TRUST Huckabee

Your hate for Huckabee over all the other phoney candidate, with all respect, seems out of line.

The issue is not whether taxes are higher or lower, it's how well you use the money. Huckabee used it well in Arkansas.

On every other issue Huckabee is the most conservative one in the race. He flipped on immigrtion, but Romney flipped on EVERTYING! So why woul d you be so vehemently against Huckabee and not Romney?



great post

Master wolf does not realise that chaim stopped endorsing huckabee because he thought he was finshed, not because he thought romney was a better candidate...

if you read the where we go now thread" chaim says "its was close but unFORTUNATELY HUCKABEE LOST"

Chaim says huckabee had the best chance to beat the clintons as he did it in arkansas, romney ran left of ted kennedy....

Your hate for huckabee is because i like him, thats all there is to it....

Im still awaiting for your pro abortion man ruudy comment, will you vote for him yes or no???

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Re: "dont give up on huck yet"
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2008, 08:17:29 PM »
After today, Huckabee better do the ultimate comeback for Super Tuesday other wise it over for him for sure.  And Romney can give McPain a run for his money and if anyone that needs to be defeated is MCPAIN.  I just don't see Huckabee doing that.

what do you not understand about this concept mate, huckabee has campaigned more in the super tuesday states than florida, and has barely spent a dolla in florida, the fact hes in close 4th behind ruudy who HAS SPENT MILLIONS HERE, is nothong short of brilliant....

Im still waiting as to whether you will vote for your man ruudy....

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2008, 08:31:42 PM »
ROMNEY 34.1%
MCCAIN 33.5%
GIULIANI 14.4%
HUCKABEE 13.0%

That is what you got in Florida so far...

Huckabee needs a life jacket at this point...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

We need to defeat MCCAIN, If anyone can do it is Mitt.  Huckabee is floundering.
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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2008, 08:35:51 PM »
ROMNEY 34.1%
MCCAIN 33.5%
GIULIANI 14.4%
HUCKABEE 13.0%

That is what you got in Florida so far...

Huckabee needs a life jacket at this point...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

We need to defeat MCCAIN, If anyone can do it is Mitt.  Huckabee is floundering.

roflflf at you saying huck flounderig when he didnt even campaign in florida....


Im awaiting your comment to the fact that ruudy has based his whole life on this state and is only 1 percent ahead of huckabee...

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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2008, 08:46:48 PM »
Then Huckabee is going to be a lazy candidate if he isn't going to show up on these key states so thats rather silly
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