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Edited Title: Chaim and I agree on this ... as per this weeks Ask JTF.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 10, 2008, 07:27:57 PM ---lubab at what point is someone considered halachically dead, and what do you mean by 'not doing anything' to let them die naturally as opposed to doing an act? If they are on life support, they will remain alive in vegetative state, no?
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We generally go by when the heart stops, but it's not so simple.
Lubab:
This much is clear in halacha. Killing someone in a vegetative state, is still murder.
jdl4ever:
Yes, I agree with Lubab.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on February 10, 2008, 07:11:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 10, 2008, 07:07:53 PM ---Everyone here seems to be confusing two very different issues.
A lot of you are talking about the issue of whether we must prolong life by a terminally ill patient. This is NOT the issue I am talking about here.
The question was about suicide. I think it was clear to any listener that we were talking about a proactive act by someone...either the patient, or the doctor to end the life.
If you leave the patient so that whatever happens happens (i.e. DNR or something like that) that is one thing and may be totally permissible and I believe it is permissible.
But if we are talking about someone committing suicide or homicide by proactively doing something to end the life which I believe is murder according to all opinions.
According to Jewish law, when the person appears to be dying you must not talk or touch the person as their soul is leaving them because you may cause their soul to leave a moment too soon and even though they might have died a moment later, this is MURDER.
People can say their own opinions, but I'm not really concerned with my opinion or anyone else's opinion. I'm trying to talk about what is the Torah view on this. The Torah was given to us by G-d and YES he does have a right to say what we should do in these situations.
If Chaim meant something else, I should hope he will make this clear.
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Then why don't you ask Chaim this week. I saw you didn't post anything to him yet.
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Because I'm not worrying about Chaim. I'm worried about YOU GUYS getting the wrong impression of what the Torah really says.
Rubystars:
I think it's a very complex topic, and not one answer would be right for every situation. However, I would want to err on the side of life in most cases, because I would be afraid of coercion by family members of a terminally ill or elderly patient.
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