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Edited Title: Chaim and I agree on this ... as per this weeks Ask JTF.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: lubab on February 10, 2008, 08:10:11 PM ---This much is clear in halacha. Killing someone in a vegetative state, is still murder.
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Thank you. I believe you're right, actually from what I remember, I think my rabbi had told me that in the event of a terrible accident or heart failure etc (G-d forbid), that a person if they knew there was no chance at survival, they could choose not to put the person on life support to be saved into vegetative state. Once putting them on, they are not allowed to go and take them off because you can't do something to speed the process at all. But I'm pretty sure you can make that initial choice not to put ONTO a repirator if it is known there is no chance at recovery. I could be wrong though.
Tina Greco - Melbourne:
--- Quote from: lubab on February 10, 2008, 08:10:11 PM ---This much is clear in halacha. Killing someone in a vegetative state, is still murder.
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I think leaving someone in pain and suffering is worse than murder.
Daniel:
I think when it comes to the topic of euthanasia, we need to differentiate between "passive" and "active" euthanasia. Passive euthanasia would be something like cutting off someone's feeding tube. I'm not sure a DNR would be considered any time of euthanasia, but I suppose that could also fall under the confines of passive euthanasia. Active euthanasia would be the act of active killing, sort of like what Dr. Kevorkian does. I don't remember exactly what Chaim said and in what context he said it. But I would be surprised that Chaim would be in favor of this since he was very much outspoken against the Terri Shaivo case which was an example of passive euthanasia. Perhaps Chaim was referring to evil people who deserve to die and that they should all save us the suffering by just killing themselves. I don't know :-\
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 10, 2008, 09:12:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 10, 2008, 08:10:11 PM ---This much is clear in halacha. Killing someone in a vegetative state, is still murder.
--- End quote ---
I think leaving someone in pain and suffering is worse than murder.
--- End quote ---
G-d makes the rules. Not us.
First you need to accept that.
Later we can talk about why what G-d says here actually makes more sense than what you are saying. But that's for later.
First we need to understand whose world this is.
Tina Greco - Melbourne:
--- Quote from: lubab on February 10, 2008, 09:21:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 10, 2008, 09:12:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 10, 2008, 08:10:11 PM ---This much is clear in halacha. Killing someone in a vegetative state, is still murder.
--- End quote ---
I think leaving someone in pain and suffering is worse than murder.
--- End quote ---
G-d makes the rules. Not us.
First you need to accept that.
Later we can talk about why what G-d says here actually makes more sense than what you are saying. But that's for later.
First we need to understand whose world this is.
--- End quote ---
Out of respect because you are a Rabbi, I will not comment any more on this.
But my point is this, I don't agree with everything that is written, and when I am finally judged by G-d himself thats when I will justify myself him and only him and he already knows my reasons for my actions.
I live peace with G-d and my beliefs.
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