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Edited Title: Chaim and I agree on this ... as per this weeks Ask JTF.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: newman on February 11, 2008, 03:38:05 AM ---If a Jew or noachide is chased onto a prison roof by a prison gang and faces certain sodomy, he must choose death over sexual imorallity (as is the case for idolatry or murder) and jump off the roof.
How can it be OK to commit suicide over sodomy (that one will recover from) and not hideous, screaming, endless agony? :(
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Because that's what the Torah says. What do you want from me? Go ask G-d! First accept it and when you do come back to me and we'll try to understand.
Lubab:
I find it interesting that you (newman) said the "G-d of Abraham Issac and Jacob" would never command such suffering etc.
You do realize that it was the G-d of Abraham who asked him to sacrifice is only son, right?
G-d's trying to teach you a lesson.
Stop trying to understand him and just do what He says even if it doesn't make sense to you, or else you're just worshiping your own brain...not G-d.
Abraham got up early to do this thing which to our brains would seem completely immoral and was rewarded with being the father or all nations for what he did.
The people on this forum could take a tip from ole' Abe.
newman:
I'm not telling anybody else what to do. I'm just saying what I would do and allowing others the privilage of doing the same.
I'll take my chances when the Satan reads out the charges against me at judgement. If they can make a reasonable case that I should have laid around for two or three more months in hideous suffering then I'll conceed the point.
Besides, don't the rabbis say that G-d isn't responsible for every single bad thing that happens to us? Like when a schvartza mugs and kills a good person it's not G-d killing them but the schvartza using his free will and evil inclinations.
If that's the case, a cancer caused by an irresposible factory owner leaking chemicals into the water supply is not G-d's doing.
Masha:
--- Quote from: Rubystars on February 10, 2008, 08:46:34 PM ---I would be afraid of coercion by family members of a terminally ill or elderly patient.
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Me too. This is why I am against legalizing euthanasia.
The best way to die is on a field of battle, IMHO.
Dexter:
Satan ? There's no Satan in Judaism ?
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