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[Sarah]

Then every homosexual should turn into a "reform gay".

If you are a christian you believe it is sinful.....and if that means homosexuality is actually committing a sin....they are not born with it because they have caused it by "committing" it.

Look at mentally insane people, God has stated that they are not accountable for their actions if they are not in the right mind. Look at homosexuals, God has said they are accountable for their sins...of homosexuality....and therefore it shows that they ARE in the right mind, and can distinguish and escape from the vile mentality.

[Just Erica]

Then every homosexual should turn into a "reform gay".

If you are a christian you believe it is sinful.....and if that means homosexuality is actually committing a sin....they are not born with it because they have caused it by "committing" it.

Look at mentally insane people, G-d has stated that they are not accountable for their actions if they are not in the right mind. Look at homosexuals, G-d has said they are accountable for their sins...of homosexuality....and therefore it shows that they ARE in the right mind, and can distinguish and escape from the vile mentality.

You still didn't answer the question, Sarah. You're saying that gays speak the way they do, walk the way they do, and act the way they do for attention... WHO in their right mind would want to pretend to be gay knowing they could possibly be beaten or killed because of their orientation?

[Sarah]

Not solely attention but it is a key factor.

Why would they come out and dress gay and act so in PUBLIC if they KNOW they are going to get beaten up anyway? Why would they put themselves in danger, just to let the world know they are Gay when they could be so in secret! They can be gay and dress normally but no they want to express it because they think they are being true to themselves and it is worth the risk. They have something wrong with their minds, they are twisted.

[Just Erica]

Not solely attention but it is a key factor.

Why would they come out and dress gay and act so in PUBLIC if they KNOW they are going to get beaten up anyway? Why would they put themselves in danger, just to let the world know they are Gay when they could be so in secret! They can be gay and dress normally but no they want to express it because they think they are being true to themselves and it is worth the risk. They have something wrong with their minds, they are twisted.

That's the thing, sarah. You have it in your mind that Gays don't dress like normal people. There are men who dress normal but have affeminate features, have lighter voices, and walk like women because that's natural to THEM. I walk like my dad and have a certain stride to my step. (Eventhough my dad was gay, he didn't have any affeminate ticks or anything like that. He walked the way you expect a 'real man' to walk, and had a deep voice. The only thing he did differently than 'real men' (sarcasm) was style hair, manicure nails, design clothing for himself, and sew. He was also a good plumber, and an all around Mr. Fix-it.

My point is that Homosexuals can no more stop 'talking like a female' , than I can stop walking like a man. I don't think it's fair to judge homosexuals.

[Raulmarrio2000]

Erica, you are right about a lot of cases. There are people who act like gays before even realising that they actually are. But those who do parades do want indeed to call atention. BTW, you said you walk like a man, and your profile says Gender: "Female". How's that? a mistake? Your nickname is also a woman name, at least in my native language.....

[Just Erica]

Erica, you are right about a lor of cases. There are people who act like gays defore even realisinf that they actually are. But those who do parades don't wabt indded to call atention. BTW, Uoi said tou walk like a man, and your profile says Gender: "Female". Jow's that? a mistake? Your nickname is also a woman name, at least in my native language.....

I am female and I inherited my dad's walk. I walk like man because it's in my genes to do so..just like my girls walk like their dad, on the the tips of their toes (almost). I also have two daughters who have the same body make-up (muscle tone) as their dad...very athletically built. It's all in the genes. That's what I meant by, "I walk like a man".

[Shlomo]

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe in G-d or the Bible?

So Hashem would make people born pure gay and then tell them that it's wrong? Do you realize what you are saying?

[Just Erica]

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe in G-d or the Bible?

So Hashem would make people born pure gay and then tell them that it's wrong? Do you realize what you are saying?

I believe in God. But I also think that he doesn't hate Gays or Lesbians. Can you explain why gays are in fact, gay? Can you explain why a 5 year old boy would call himself a girl when he's a boy (without anyone telling affirming his belief?) Can you tell me why some girls who are tom-boyish think they should have been born boys?

[Just Erica]

G-d gave everyone free will. Homosexuals are given the free will to choose whether to act on their homosexual urges or ignore them and be righteous. It's only a test.

Yacov. Can YOU explain why some little kids believe they were born in the wrong body?

[nessuno]

G-d gave everyone free will. Homosexuals are given the free will to choose whether to act on their homosexual urges or ignore them and be righteous. It's only a test.

Yacov. Can YOU explain why some little kids believe they were born in the wrong body?

Erica - Can you explain what that has to do with homosexuality?  How does that example prove your point? 

[Just Erica]

G-d gave everyone free will. Homosexuals are given the free will to choose whether to act on their homosexual urges or ignore them and be righteous. It's only a test.

Yacov. Can YOU explain why some little kids believe they were born in the wrong body?

Erica - Can you explain what that has to do with homosexuality?  How does that example prove your point? 

That example has a lot to do with homosexuality. Children who say that they were not supposed to be the sex they were born as usually come out later in life and announce that they're gay.

[nessuno]

G-d gave everyone free will. Homosexuals are given the free will to choose whether to act on their homosexual urges or ignore them and be righteous. It's only a test.

Yacov. Can YOU explain why some little kids believe they were born in the wrong body?

Erica - Can you explain what that has to do with homosexuality?  How does that example prove your point? 

That example has a lot to do with homosexuality. Children who say that they were not supposed to be the sex they were born as usually come out later in life and announce that they're gay.

It is a world gone mad.
So if a boy has some feminine tendencies or a girl acts like a tom boy - should we help them out of the closet early?  Send them to a psychiatrist.  Get them a sex change?
Don't you think some of those feelings are normal stages of development?

[Just Erica]

G-d gave everyone free will. Homosexuals are given the free will to choose whether to act on their homosexual urges or ignore them and be righteous. It's only a test.

Yacov. Can YOU explain why some little kids believe they were born in the wrong body?

Erica - Can you explain what that has to do with homosexuality?  How does that example prove your point? 

That example has a lot to do with homosexuality. Children who say that they were not supposed to be the sex they were born as usually come out later in life and announce that they're gay.

It is a world gone mad.
So if a boy has some feminine tendencies or a girl acts like a tom boy - should we help them out of the closet early?  Send them to a psychiatrist.  Get them a sex change?
Don't you think some of those feelings are normal stages of development?

I'm not saying that, bullcat. I'm saying that that's usually how it starts. If those normal feelings don't go away by the age of 12, it's possible that the child could be gay. Because the subject of homosexuality is controversial some children don't come out because of judgement from family and friends. This is hard on them, of course.

I don't agree with sending a teenager to a psychiatrist or child therapist because they believe they're gay. What good will that do? And I definately wouldn't recommend taking a child to get a sex change. That's a decision best made when they're adults and can afford the operation themselves.

I think I might have generalized and not specified that this is the outcome in SOME situations. Not all.

[Shlomo]

That example has a lot to do with homosexuality. Children who say that they were not supposed to be the sex they were born as usually come out later in life and announce that they're gay.

Ok, for the sake of the argument, if people were "born" gay, then where did they get their "gay" DNA at - since "true born gay" homosexuals would never reproduce offspring?

It could never be a trait that could be handed down. Plus, they never can ever seem to find this "gay gene" they talk about so often. It's because it was never there to begin with.

People can choose to cultivate their masculinity or femininity but if G-d made them a man, then it is their job to cultivate their masculinity. It's part of their purpose. To do the opposite would make that person miss out on what life is supposed to be about (especially with children who should have both the masculine and feminine role models to grow up with in order to be mentally healthy).

[Just Erica]

That example has a lot to do with homosexuality. Children who say that they were not supposed to be the sex they were born as usually come out later in life and announce that they're gay.

Ok, for the sake of the argument, if people were "born" gay, then where did they get their "gay" DNA at - since "true born gay" homosexuals would never reproduce offspring?

It could never be a trait that could be handed down. Plus, they never can ever seem to find this "gay gene" they talk about so often. It's because it was never there to begin with.

People can choose to cultivate their masculinity or femininity but if G-d made them a man, then it is their job to cultivate their masculinity. It's part of their purpose. To do the opposite would make that person miss out on what life is supposed to be about (especially with children who should have both the masculine and feminine role models to grow up with in order to be mentally healthy).

That, I don't know, Schlomo. After all, as I mentioned before, my dad was gay. But then again, when I was a little kid, around 9 and after being sexually molested for 4 1/2 years at that time, I decided I liked girls because I thought they were less threatening than my uncle (who I thought of as a representative of every evil man). I don't think it was engrained in me to like girls as a child (I found out my dad was gay when I was 13), so there was no direct correlation. I think I liked girls because of the abuse and the fact that I linked the abuse to all men.

With that said, I don't know if there is a gay gene or not. But from what I do know, from the lesbians and gay men I knew in my life, some were born that way, some became gay because of circumstances beyond their control as children. Only God knows for sure. I'm just offering my opinion.

[newman]

The question of 'born gay' is immaterial.

Being born with a negative inclination is no excuse to act upon it. Many people are born or inclined to certain urges that must be resisted.

Some are born with an inclination to impatience and bad temper but resist the urge to shout at old ladies who take too long in the supermarket quew.

Some are born with an inclination to idleness or laziness but they overcome it to earn a living.

An inlination to sexual perversion must be overcome like any of the countless other negative traits SOME are born with.

[Just Erica]

The question of 'born gay' is immaterial.

Being born with a negative inclination is no excuse to act upon it. Many people are born or inclined to certain urges that must be resisted.

Some are born with an inclination to impatience and bad temper but resist the urge to shout at old ladies who take too long in the supermarket quew.

Some are born with an inclination to idleness or laziness but they overcome it to earn a living.

An inlination to sexual perversion must be overcome like any of the countless other negative traits SOME are born with.

Whatever, newman. Why don't you does someone else's love life bother you? (I think I asked that question before).

[newman]

Whatever, newman. Why don't you does someone else's love life bother you? (I think I asked that question before).

Nobody objects to the goings-on behind closed doors.

Our objection to gays is the constant lobbying, demands to adopt children, demands to make church proscriptions against homosexuality illegal, demands for marriages and demands to introduce 'gay tollerence' lessons in schools etc.

[Raulmarrio2000]

Whatever, newman. Why don't you does someone else's love life bother you? (I think I asked that question before).

Nobody objects to the goings-on behind closed doors.

Our objection to gays is the constant lobbying, demands to adopt children, demands to make church proscriptions against homosexuality illegal, demands for marriages and demands to introduce 'gay tollerence' lessons in schools etc.

In this I agree 100%. But I also want to point out that there are many straights involved in those lobbys. I heard that some gays in Urugyay opposed to those weird rights, and others called them "traitors to the community"

[Just Erica]

Whatever, newman. Why don't you does someone else's love life bother you? (I think I asked that question before).

Nobody objects to the goings-on behind closed doors.

Our objection to gays is the constant lobbying, demands to adopt children, demands to make church proscriptions against homosexuality illegal, demands for marriages and demands to introduce 'gay tollerence' lessons in schools etc.

My last post was  atrocious! (sorry). But in response to you, you just mentioned sexual acts (and one that isn't even part of homosexuals lives). You never mentioned anything about rights to adopt and marry.... you went right to the sex. The other stuff is more debatable.

[newman]

Whatever, newman. Why don't you does someone else's love life bother you? (I think I asked that question before).

Nobody objects to the goings-on behind closed doors.

Our objection to gays is the constant lobbying, demands to adopt children, demands to make church proscriptions against homosexuality illegal, demands for marriages and demands to introduce 'gay tollerence' lessons in schools etc.

My last post was  atrocious! (sorry). But in response to you, you just mentioned sexual acts (and one that isn't even part of homosexuals lives). You never mentioned anything about rights to adopt and marry.... you went right to the sex. The other stuff is more debatable.

Nobody cares about sinful activity done in private between consenting adults. It's been going on for 6000 years.

Our objection is to the pollution of the 'cultural well' from which we all drink.

Examples:

Nobody cares about men & women having sex where the man leaves $50 on the bedside table. People do object to whores lining the main street soliciting the patronage of passers-by.

Nobody cares about someone looking at porn in their own home. Pewople do object to it's display at news stands.

Nobody objects to a husband & wife making love at home. People do object when they grope each other in the park on Sunday afternoon.

[Just Erica]

Whatever, newman. Why don't you does someone else's love life bother you? (I think I asked that question before).

Nobody objects to the goings-on behind closed doors.

Our objection to gays is the constant lobbying, demands to adopt children, demands to make church proscriptions against homosexuality illegal, demands for marriages and demands to introduce 'gay tollerence' lessons in schools etc.

My last post was  atrocious! (sorry). But in response to you, you just mentioned sexual acts (and one that isn't even part of homosexuals lives). You never mentioned anything about rights to adopt and marry.... you went right to the sex. The other stuff is more debatable.

Nobody cares about sinful activity done in private between consenting adults. It's been going on for 6000 years.

Our objection is to the pollution of the 'cultural well' from which we all drink.

Examples:

Nobody cares about men & women having sex where the man leaves $50 on the bedside table. People do object to whores lining the main street soliciting the patronage of passers-by.

Nobody cares about someone looking at porn in their own home. Pewople do object to it's display at news stands.

Nobody objects to a husband & wife making love at home. People do object when they grope each other in the park on Sunday afternoon.

So now, gays are doing what you said they do, in front of you? LOL And PDA is another topic all together. You don't like seeing a couple kiss each other in the park, turn the other way. PDA only bothers those who really dont' have anyone to come home to.

[Sarah]

Not solely attention but it is a key factor.

Why would they come out and dress gay and act so in PUBLIC if they KNOW they are going to get beaten up anyway? Why would they put themselves in danger, just to let the world know they are Gay when they could be so in secret! They can be gay and dress normally but no they want to express it because they think they are being true to themselves and it is worth the risk. They have something wrong with their minds, they are twisted.

That's the thing, sarah. You have it in your mind that Gays don't dress like normal people. There are men who dress normal but have affeminate features, have lighter voices, and walk like women because that's natural to THEM. I walk like my dad and have a certain stride to my step. (Eventhough my dad was gay, he didn't have any affeminate ticks or anything like that. He walked the way you expect a 'real man' to walk, and had a deep voice. The only thing he did differently than 'real men' (sarcasm) was style hair, manicure nails, design clothing for himself, and sew. He was also a good plumber, and an all around Mr. Fix-it.

My point is that Homosexuals can no more stop 'talking like a female' , than I can stop walking like a man. I don't think it's fair to judge homosexuals.

Whatever Erica! Homosexuals committ one of the "big" sins.....what they do is wrong, not just according the nature but according to the Holy books....and the one you're SUPPOSED to believe in. God says it is wrong. So it is. To judge their actions as being bad, is fair.
You're just argueing about something that you know cannot be defended. If your dad was gay, you should have helped him.

[Just Erica]

Not solely attention but it is a key factor.

Why would they come out and dress gay and act so in PUBLIC if they KNOW they are going to get beaten up anyway? Why would they put themselves in danger, just to let the world know they are Gay when they could be so in secret! They can be gay and dress normally but no they want to express it because they think they are being true to themselves and it is worth the risk. They have something wrong with their minds, they are twisted.

That's the thing, sarah. You have it in your mind that Gays don't dress like normal people. There are men who dress normal but have affeminate features, have lighter voices, and walk like women because that's natural to THEM. I walk like my dad and have a certain stride to my step. (Eventhough my dad was gay, he didn't have any affeminate ticks or anything like that. He walked the way you expect a 'real man' to walk, and had a deep voice. The only thing he did differently than 'real men' (sarcasm) was style hair, manicure nails, design clothing for himself, and sew. He was also a good plumber, and an all around Mr. Fix-it.

My point is that Homosexuals can no more stop 'talking like a female' , than I can stop walking like a man. I don't think it's fair to judge homosexuals.

Whatever Erica! Homosexuals committ one of the "big" sins.....what they do is wrong, not just according the nature but according to the Holy books....and the one you're SUPPOSED to believe in. G-d says it is wrong. So it is. To judge their actions as being bad, is fair.
You're just argueing about something that you know cannot be defended. If your dad was gay, you should have helped him.

You all commit sins here that are against the Bible every single day. Judging people unfairly is only one of them. So when it comes to actually having a sin-o-meter, measuring other's sins...measure your own.

And about my dad... I was 13 when my dad came out to me... 5 years after he and my mother divorced. My only job was to love my dad for who he was. He was never improper to me nor around me. I loved him and that's all that mattered to me, that he was still my dad. But while we're on the subject, if I'd had the want to help him (I didn't' feel he needed help.) how would I have gone about it as a 13 year old? LOL How do you put that responsibility on a child who really doesn't know up from down at that age?

[Sarah]

How is calling a homosexual bad, judging unfairly?!

I'm not judging anything about them, except that they are homosexual! Judging them allows us to understand how homosexuality is wrong and teach others so!
I didn't say they're going to hell or heaven or anything like that but just that the sins they are committing are EVIL.

We all have sins but we aren't all homosexuals. Homosexuality is an abomination ......i can measure my own sins and my own faults but not identifying the sin of homosexuality or measuring it, would degrade it's level of evilness......in ways similar to it being accepted in society today.

You are speaking of your dad being homosexual as if you're proud of him and his talents. Of course you love your father, but that does not mean that because of your love for him, you have to accept his problem of homosexuality.
I never said you had to help him when you're 13. Later on you could have expressed your dislike towards his practices. That fact that he had a child raises a question to somebody being always gay?!