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I need help with learning the Sabbath Eve Kiddush
takebackourtemple:
Maybe "span" is the most accurate translation for the word? I guess if the heaven and earth can be considered elements of the array that hashem allocated.
q_q_:
It`s not.
THEIR
whose?
heaven and earth.
It means things that come together to form a powerful unit.
You should look at all occurrences and find a definition that works for them all.
Don`t just invent your own thing from nothing. It is not a "span" a distance. I don`t even know what you mean by that.
Hebrew does not work with majestic flashy specific words .
The translation you come up with is worse than the siddur you criticise. (or any siddur!)
the word refers to THINGS. Not a large area. Indeed, in all instances, it seems it seems to refer to a large area. If talking in real terms, powerful units of many entities tend to cover a large area. Army. Heaven. e.t.c. So that can just be coincidental.
But anyhow.. It refers to things that form a unit.
Your translation is just your imagination.
And anyhow. I showed a verse. They burn incense to all the tzevah.
What are they doing? burning incense to all the span?
come on!
don`t invent things.
if you didn`t invent things then you wouldn`t need to see a usage that proves it wrong in the first place..
In so many places it referred to an army, and that contains things.
No an army`s tzeva like an army`s span. But the army itself was teh tzeva. Nothing to do with span.
takebackourtemple:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on March 09, 2008, 09:43:30 PM ---The translation you come up with is worse than the siddur you criticise. (or any siddur!)
Your translation is just your imagination.
--- End quote ---
"Maybe "span" is the most accurate translation for the word?" was asked as a question. I'm not saying that my translation is correct. I'm just trying to figure out what the correct translations is and I'm making a best effort attempt from the little Hebrew that I do know. Imagination is a little bit of a stretch from what I'm doing.
Span means entirety, while it generally thought of as a finite range, it can also be infinite. I guess a mathematical discussion about this would make interesting talk for the future, but for now I'm trying to prepare the prayer in time. I thought I might have had it, but now I guess I'm still without a clear definition of of this word.
takebackourtemple:
I spent about another hour on this. So much for for keeping track of the time. I am getting better though. I hope I can read it perfect on Friday night.
q_q_:
Reading it does not require you to know the meaning.
Infact, I reckon that if you're thinking about the meaning too much, you might not read it fluently. You should concentrate on pronouncing the words, and getting the words right.
Not saying one part of the thing, and then continuing in a different place, because the words are so similar. And not saying one word instead of another word.
You should memorise it, so you can improve your chances if not slipping up..
Or at least have bit memorised so that the siddur is a prompt. Sure, read it from the siddur to be safe..
There are a few points where when memorising, I tripped up. And had to make a mental note not to. I won't mention where unless you ask.. Because maybe if I even mention the places, it may have a detrimental effect. But if you notice yourself making a mistake when you practice it, then you know.. And you can tell since you have a siddur to check.
If you get better at saying it fluently , because of studying the meaning, then ok.. Maybe you find it too boring memorising it.
I went to a jewish school where we set the amidah every day.. ended up memorising it naturally.
But friday night kiddush, I only had bits memorised from hearing it. Only when I kept practicing it myself(not in shul.. but at home alone in a room, or at a table with people around, I did it in my head). It didn't take "years"!
Shabbat is a LONG TIME, you have lots of time to waste memorising it!
If you have a fault, that you want to read it right get bored too easily when memorising it, even on shabbat (when there really isn't much else to do).. then that's a bit strange.. It's one of the more fulfilling things i've done on a shabbat! I don't really think too hard on shabbat, e.g. learn hebrew, since you can't write.
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