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Pathetic speech my dumb Satmur ghetto Rabbi gave
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--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on March 23, 2008, 10:46:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on March 22, 2008, 11:49:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on March 22, 2008, 11:37:41 PM ---"...anyone can come without a visa, or something to that affect..."
Cool!
Chaim can fly to Moscow, and from there to Tel-Aviv!
Or...to Ukraine dressed as a Lubavitcher, and then to Tel-Aviv!
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Satmar would be a better disguise
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The Israeli government hates all Chassidim, it wouldn't make a difference.
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The idea of chaim up as a satmar was not so they would like him.
It is because it is a good disguise. Because satmar is anti zionist.
I was going to say he should dress up as neturei karta! But that wouldn`t work - too much media attention!
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on March 19, 2008, 11:08:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on March 19, 2008, 10:58:34 PM --- I would like to see all Satmar Rabbis stripped of their Rabinical ordination by a Bait Din. Hopefully the Israeli government does not recognize Satanmar ordination. I think they still don't recognize non-orthodox Rabbis from the Reform and Conservative, but am not 100% sure.
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Chas V'Sholom! The Satmar Rebbe, was one of the Greatest Talmidei Chochomim to ever live, and even though I have some slight halachic differences with them, they are for the most part great Chossidim and Great Talmidei Chochomim.
Note: Correction made by TBOT. The Satmar Rebbe is a YS"Z and not a ZTVK"L.
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You have obviously not read either of his major seforim. Al HaGeulah V'Al HaTemura or VaYoel Moshe.
Anyone who has read those seforim could never say that he was one of the Greatest Talmidei Chochomim to ever live. His halakhic logic was goal-based and deeply flawed.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on March 21, 2008, 05:54:28 PM ---Now you are better able to "switch places" with the European Labor Zionists, and perhaps better understand their frustration which grew into contempt for their religious brethren who refused to even consider retaking Eretz Yisrael by force of arms; let alone consider physically moving there to live.
In the 1920's-1930's the European rabbis for the most part counseled and advised their co-religionists to "stay put", "study Torah", "don't fight back", and everything would be fine.
Don't misunderstand my comments above...I'm not excusing the behavior of the Labor Zionists...just pointing out that "when the chips were down" they had to go it alone and not count on Torah miracles to save European Jewry.
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You make a good point. In fact, one of the greatest tests of faiths for religious holocaust survivors was dealing with the fact that every good loyal frum Jew who listened to the Gedolim, and therefore stayed in Europe, was killed while the most non religious anti-Torah people ignored the counsel of the Gedolim, moved to Israel or America and lived.
kahaneloyalist:
Lets not forget Rav Kook zt'l was a great proponent of fighitng back, and it was his talmud David Raziel who led the Irgun and against the Arabs and the British
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on March 23, 2008, 05:50:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on March 21, 2008, 05:54:28 PM ---Now you are better able to "switch places" with the European Labor Zionists, and perhaps better understand their frustration which grew into contempt for their religious brethren who refused to even consider retaking Eretz Yisrael by force of arms; let alone consider physically moving there to live.
In the 1920's-1930's the European rabbis for the most part counseled and advised their co-religionists to "stay put", "study Torah", "don't fight back", and everything would be fine.
Don't misunderstand my comments above...I'm not excusing the behavior of the Labor Zionists...just pointing out that "when the chips were down" they had to go it alone and not count on Torah miracles to save European Jewry.
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You make a good point. In fact, one of the greatest tests of faiths for religious holocaust survivors was dealing with the fact that every good loyal frum Jew who listened to the Gedolim, and therefore stayed in Europe, was killed while the most non religious anti-Torah people ignored the counsel of the Gedolim, moved to Israel or America and lived.
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Soo? Just because one group physically survived while another died physically doesn't show that one group ended up better then the other. If anything the opposite. In one group Jews died in the hands of goyim, which does a lot for a person in the world to come. (many things, like cleanse past sins, and bring someone to a high level because one died for being a Jew), while the other group (some, not all in that category),got everything in this world, for the few good they did, and will truly suffer for eternity. They got their high positions,- incharge of the country, or making millions here and their. - To those whom G-d hates, those who hate G-d, G-d doesn't delay his payment, pays then cash to their face to get ride of them.
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