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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
Archie:
Kahanist women hold all the cards, and they know it.
Kahanist men outnumber Kahanist women by about fifty to one, so the Kahanist women can choose and discard mates at will.
And let's face it, it's cool for a Kahanist men to be dating a Kahanist women.
Gruzinit:
--- Quote from: IslamIsCancer on May 22, 2008, 02:32:31 AM ---What is this, Iran?
Yes it should in Iran and Saudi Arabia.
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I agree. G-d gave people free will. I have a ton of respect for those who choose to abstain before marriage, but that is a personal choice , and the intimacies taken between two consenting adults are their's alone and should not be the priority of the government.
Anyone who tells you there are ways to be rid off sexually impure thoughts is a charleton, we all have impure thoughts, but it is how we conduct ourselves and attempt not simply to let our desires and impulses dictate our lives.
Dr. Dan:
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--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 02:15:17 PM ---It's no fair to the woman if a man touches her because he gets sexual enjoyment from touching her. I will not shake an attractive woman's hand because I don't want to use her for enjoyment and because it is a sin to have such enjoyment from a woman other than my wife.
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I didn't realize men thought of sex when they shook someone's hand.
What concerns me is that women would be the ones being disadvantaged professionally because much of the business world is male and much of the medical profession is male. So if you're a female businessperson or doctor and you can't shake hands with a colleague or examine someone of the opposite gender then you're going to be severely disadvantaged compared to your male counterparts.
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Don't worry rubystars..I don't think of sex when a shake a woman's hand...However, if i"M holding my girlfriend's hand and we come across haredi or any yamulka wearing jew, we let go of each other out of respect.
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I never said that men think of sex when shaking a woman's hand. I said they feel a sexually pleasureful feeling in their body. It is a body reaction, not a thought.
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A rather broad generalization I think............
Perhaps for a guy who is never around women and barely dates that might be true.
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Well Jewish men are not allowed to kiss women before marriage so any physical contact with a woman can be a sexual experience.
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I have a problem with this theology. It makes no sense to me. If a Jewish man is technically not supposed to kiss a woman before marraige then what stops him from having sex which is really "eating from from the tree of knowledge"...and kissing simply means "touching that fruit."
The idea of not kissing a woman before marraige is a fence that is built around the Torah. To all those who can uphold that rule, my blessings to them...But certainly, kissing is not sex...
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Kissing can be as pleasureful as sex. You can get the same feeling in your body without having intercourse. Kissing is mouth sex and therefore is wrong before marriage.
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I don't think kissing is mouth sex as it doesn't constitute as a sexual organ. Scripture forbids wasting of the seed but I don't recall anything about kissing.
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It's possible that kissing can lead to the wasting of seed due to the pleasureful feeling of the kissing and I have heard of such a case. I asked a rabbi on Ask Moses about that and he said if it is an issue in a marriage, then the husband should only kiss his wife while having intercourse.
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Listen..i have a lot of respect for those who wish to wait till they get married before they kiss...And i agree 100% that kissing can lead to other unholy things. THerefore, i respect those who feel they are weak on this account and prefer to wait. However, this "fence" is not a commandment..it is a matter of choice for a Jew who feels he needs this safeguard from sinning. Not all will kiss and feel like wasthing his seed or going further to have sex. But some men are very weak and they should follow this prohibition if it is important to them to not have sex before marraige or simply masturbate.
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Masturbation is worse than pre-marital kissing. It always wastes seed while pre-marital kissing doesn't always waste seed. When I said kissing can waste seed, I meant that it comes out by itself while kissing because of the sexual feeling involved with the kiss. I didn't mean that there was any below the waste contact between the two. Someone told me that this happened to him the first and only time time he kissed a woman.
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Yacov,
As a physician, I can add that medical theory dictates that seed [sperm] is constantly recycled within the male, whether it leaves his body or not. Old gametes are resorbed and new gametes produced. So, if it is not used for fertilization, it is destroyed or wasted, so to speak, inside the body or out. Hence sex without fertilization, or masturbation, in this sense, is logically no more a waste of seed than abstinence.
I am not trying to make a point for one sort of behavior or another just pointing out the apparent inconsistency of "wasting the seed" argument. If G-d commands a behavior then there need be no argument what an observant Jew need do, logic and medical theory aside. I am sure on what G-d commands regarding this according to Torah. Are there direct passages regarding this in Torah?
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My understanding is that it is the Sins of Or(?) and Onen. They were both married to their wives. And their wives wanted children. However, they literally would tease them in the sense they would have sex, but withdraw...and waste the seed to make kids that their wives wanted...in other words, they only had sex with their wives without fulfilling them with children.
DownwithIslam:
Wow, this has really turned into some thread. I think it is very admirable for a person to be as moral as Yacov. It really is something respectable. I just think that most men with healthy testosterone levels cannot be as strict as you are advocating in regards to the topic at hand. Yacov, your self control is quite rare.
DownwithIslam:
Yacov, I read in a fitness magazine that working out, especially doing a compound movement such as squats, has testosterone boosting effects. Do you workout? Maybe its better if you dont as this may make it harder for you to maintain your purity.
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