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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
DownwithIslam:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 26, 2008, 10:25:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on May 26, 2008, 10:11:07 PM ---Wow, this has really turned into some thread. I think it is very admirable for a person to be as moral as Yacov. It really is something respectable. I just think that most men with healthy testosterone levels cannot be as strict as you are advocating in regards to the topic at hand. Yacov, your self control is quite rare.
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Even if I didn't have self-control, who would I sin with by kissing before marriage? I can't just find an attractive woman and tell her I want to kiss her. That's sexual harassment. And doing it by force is sexual assault. I have no one to kiss even if I wanted to and whenever I tried to find someone, they always rejected me. I never really become friendly with women other than on The Internet and the one time I had an Internet g/f, they was just playing with me and went back to her old b/f after he forgave her for kissing another man. I was sad and depressed until finally meeting her later on and she let me kiss her and she kissed me on the cheek but I have never kissed anyone on the lips and she was the last girl I kissed at all. That was on the day The Oslo War started when the fat pig Ariel Sharon went to The Temple Mount. I heard the news of the beginning of the riots at my grandmother's house near Haifa and then I left for Jerusalem to meet her that evening. I came back the same night. The first time I tried to meet her she didn't arrive because she thought I wasn't coming. Luckily next time I had her cell phone. After that she didn't want to see me again after I messaged her on Yahoo Messenger. She said I mean nothing to her, not even as a friend. I cried but then I got over her. But if I hadn't met her I would have never gotten over her. I was in distress until I met her. She was just using me on The Internet. She wasn't being serious but I was. Every once and a while I still have dreams about her.
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Yacov, the situation you are in sounds kind of rough. I really feel bad about it. Firstly, you should never of cried over that girl. Their are many problems that arise in the course of people lives and its not helpful to become that attached to someone you barely knew. I have a few suggestions. Maybe sign up to the gym and get yourself into really good shape. Maybe it will be easier for you to find someone that way. Do some reading on bodybuilding nutrition online, start eating clean while working out properly and you will get into great shape. I am being totally serious about this. Also, it might be easier for you to find a jewish girl if you move to Israel. Did this ever cross your mind?
DownwithIslam:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 26, 2008, 10:42:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on May 26, 2008, 10:31:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 26, 2008, 10:25:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on May 26, 2008, 10:11:07 PM ---Wow, this has really turned into some thread. I think it is very admirable for a person to be as moral as Yacov. It really is something respectable. I just think that most men with healthy testosterone levels cannot be as strict as you are advocating in regards to the topic at hand. Yacov, your self control is quite rare.
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Even if I didn't have self-control, who would I sin with by kissing before marriage? I can't just find an attractive woman and tell her I want to kiss her. That's sexual harassment. And doing it by force is sexual assault. I have no one to kiss even if I wanted to and whenever I tried to find someone, they always rejected me. I never really become friendly with women other than on The Internet and the one time I had an Internet g/f, they was just playing with me and went back to her old b/f after he forgave her for kissing another man. I was sad and depressed until finally meeting her later on and she let me kiss her and she kissed me on the cheek but I have never kissed anyone on the lips and she was the last girl I kissed at all. That was on the day The Oslo War started when the fat pig Ariel Sharon went to The Temple Mount. I heard the news of the beginning of the riots at my grandmother's house near Haifa and then I left for Jerusalem to meet her that evening. I came back the same night. The first time I tried to meet her she didn't arrive because she thought I wasn't coming. Luckily next time I had her cell phone. After that she didn't want to see me again after I messaged her on Yahoo Messenger. She said I mean nothing to her, not even as a friend. I cried but then I got over her. But if I hadn't met her I would have never gotten over her. I was in distress until I met her. She was just using me on The Internet. She wasn't being serious but I was. Every once and a while I still have dreams about her.
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Yacov, the situation you are in sounds kind of rough. I really feel bad about it. Firstly, you should never of cried over that girl. Their are many problems that arise in the course of people lives and its not helpful to become that attached to someone you barely knew. I have a few suggestions. Maybe sign up to the gym and get yourself into really good shape. Maybe it will be easier for you to find someone that way. Do some reading on bodybuilding nutrition online, start eating clean while working out properly and you will get into great shape. I am being totally serious about this. Also, it might be easier for you to find a jewish girl if you move to Israel. Did this ever cross your mind?
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I used to live in Israel and the times I kissed a girl on the cheek were all there.
I am not into working out and have no in interest in doing so. Any girl who cares about men being strong and tough is not for me. I only want a religious girl who doesn't want to kiss before marriage and has never had sex. I don't care if she kissed men in the past, as long as she won't kiss me before the wedding.
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Yacov, even Chaim works out. He said so in the past. You should go to the gym for your own health and well being. As I said before, it will certainly be easier for you to alleviate these problems in Israel. Maybe its time for you to move there?
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Yehudit Bat Noah on May 22, 2008, 04:00:52 AM ---Before people keep on dogging on Yacov's posts I have a few things to say....
1) This is for Jews. No one is saying for it to be banned for Gentiles.So if you're a Gentile don't worry about it.
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NO WHERE does Yacov mention how it should become a law in Israel etc. Again it's just an opinion poll!
Please excuse my tone.
This is my final word on the matter. Again I apologize. In case anyone is upset about my response,I am sorry but I will not discuss it here further. Anyone feel free to contact an Admin or someone about it.
I just had to get it off my chest.
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It looks like he is really asking if it should be banned in israeli law.
Either that or he is asking a Halachic question, to a group of largely gentile people, and some jews, almost none of which are expert in Halacha. And if you are so sure that it is halachically forbidden, and if you're right, then it isn't even a halachic question anyway.
Rabbi Kahane said that the jewish people is sick.. and must be healed gradually, and therefore he is not going to be enforcing all halacha is law. He would only enforce what the people would accept, because he would not want a civil war.
He would enforce straight away, the halachic law that a Jew cannot marry a non-jew. That is vital for the preservation of jews. But not much more than that.
Rabbi Kahane said there is no basis in Torah for democracy. And he would not allow everybody such as arabs, to vote. But, he would accept democracy for jews, so as to avoid a civil war. So similarly, if things happen that have no basis in Torah, he would not have banned them (except perhaps for some theoretical case where we are on a really high spiritual level and accept if naturally!!).
There are already religious jewish societies, that culturally have "banned" any touching between M and F.. shaking hands e.t.c. Not law though, and it works. I think it's stupid to enforce all these things as law.. Also, remember..
In the Torah, some -big- sins, like breaking shabbat(with witnesses, so somewhat publically), were punished. And having sex with or marrying a non-jewish woman, were punished. And gay sex was punished. But I don't think everything was punished.. Somebody doesn't wave the lulav and etrog on sukkot , doesn't get punished in the torah.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on May 26, 2008, 10:19:42 PM ---Yacov, I read in a fitness magazine that working out, especially doing a compound movement such as squats, has testosterone boosting effects. Do you workout? Maybe its better if you dont as this may make it harder for you to maintain your purity.
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yes, I noticed that!
Thing is though.. Say you're 24, and it makes you feel 19. And you managed at 19, so in theory you can still manage at 24.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 26, 2008, 11:00:29 PM ---
Actually my banning polls are for fun and meant to provoke discussion on the topic. I posted this same poll on Yekutiel's forum and it led to a Halachic discussion on the rules of modesty.
Yehudit understands my intentions with the banning polls.
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Aside from halachic discussion(a cerebral thing), how can it be fun?
Let's ban this, let's ban that. It's not Fun.
To lighten up the topic..
It reminds me of that guy from the comedy red drawf who gains this cynical pleasure from enforcing really obscure rules.. Except aboard their space ship, was an android who would correct him all the time.. Drove him nuts
android: "Err Sir, Did you say Law 678 Section 14 subsection C? No parking in the lounge?!! "
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