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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 12, 2008, 09:05:55 PM ---A bastard is a mamzer which means the mother became pregnant as a result of having sex with someone other than her husband.
An illegitimate baby is lo choki (illegal) and means the mother was single when the baby was born.
The father has nothing to do with a baby being a mamzer or not. He can cheat on his wife with another woman and the baby won't be a mamzer/bastard as long as the woman is single. Such a baby will only be illegitimate.
Also, this only applies to Jews. A married Gentile woman who has sex with another man and gets pregnant won't give birth to a mamzer, only an illegitimate baby.
--- End quote ---
does bastard=illegitimate i.e. same thing ?
= born of parents not married to each other.
so mamzer is not the same as a bastard.
you are prob right with your definition of mamzer..
That it is a married woman committing adultary. (so not a man comitting adultary with a single woman)
you said bastard is a mamzer..
But this is not really correct..
a bastard is a more general thing. It more than just a mamzer.
It is not true that a bastard is a mamzer, because you can have a bastard that is not a mamzer.
A mamzer is a bastard, because a mamzer is a more specific thing. Though still potentially misleading to say a mamzer is a bastard.. 'cos they are not the same thing. Wrong to say as a rule that a bastard is a mamzer though.
my logic is probably correct, don't know about my definitions though!
Americanhero1:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 12, 2008, 10:14:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 12, 2008, 09:05:55 PM ---A bastard is a mamzer which means the mother became pregnant as a result of having sex with someone other than her husband.
An illegitimate baby is lo choki (illegal) and means the mother was single when the baby was born.
The father has nothing to do with a baby being a mamzer or not. He can cheat on his wife with another woman and the baby won't be a mamzer/bastard as long as the woman is single. Such a baby will only be illegitimate.
Also, this only applies to Jews. A married Gentile woman who has sex with another man and gets pregnant won't give birth to a mamzer, only an illegitimate baby.
--- End quote ---
does bastard=illegitimate i.e. same thing ?
= born of parents not married to each other.
so mamzer is not the same as a bastard.
you are prob right with your definition of mamzer..
That it is a married woman committing adultary. (so not a man comitting adultary with a single woman)
you said bastard is a mamzer..
But this is not really correct..
a bastard is a more general thing. It more than just a mamzer.
It is not true that a bastard is a mamzer, because you can have a bastard that is not a mamzer.
A mamzer is a bastard, because a mamzer is a more specific thing. Though still potentially misleading to say a mamzer is a bastard.. 'cos they are not the same thing. Wrong to say as a rule that a bastard is a mamzer though.
my logic is probably correct, don't know about my definitions though!
--- End quote ---
I thought that as well if you are born and your parents are not married you would be considered a bastard
q_q_:
There is no redefinition of bastard.
Bastard is an english or american term.
Mamzer is the jewish/hebrew term. And bastard is a mistranslation.
Sometimes a word requires more than one word to translate it. Because there is no equivalent word.
Dr. Dan:
damn bastards! :::D
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 13, 2008, 01:43:36 PM ---damn bastards! :::D
--- End quote ---
Not all. Only the mamzerim are damned ;-)
Though I wouldn't curse them.. And it's not their fault!
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