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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: shimon on June 05, 2008, 09:15:25 PM ---And can anyone tell me one place in the Torah where it says Shomer Negiah.
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YES. It says in the Torah that the Jewish people, MUST follow the rulings and "fences" of the Rabbis. IT is a Mitzva from the Torah to follow an edict made by our Rabbis and we have to follow them. It might not say soo in Tannach of not touching, but thats why we have the Oral Law to discuss everything, and even if it was not stamm forbidden (or publicized) their have been statements made expecialy recently because now is the time expecially when this is taking place. In the past girls were modest and for her to touch other men (before marriage) would make them realise that they are loosing value in themselves. In the times of the Talmud, a girl even covered all up (almost like arabs) if she had bells on her shoes in order to draw attention from men, she was concidered a "zona" - aka prostitute.
Bottom line is that all Rabbis forbid men and women touching, kissing or anything else outside of marriage. And even during marriage their are times that it is forbidden (ex- Nidda).
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on June 18, 2008, 07:03:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: shimon on June 05, 2008, 09:15:25 PM ---And can anyone tell me one place in the Torah where it says Shomer Negiah.
--- End quote ---
YES. It says in the Torah that the Jewish people, MUST follow the rulings and "fences" of the Rabbis. IT is a Mitzva from the Torah to follow an edict made by our Rabbis and we have to follow them. It might not say soo in Tannach of not touching, but thats why we have the Oral Law to discuss everything, and even if it was not stamm forbidden (or publicized) their have been statements made expecialy recently because now is the time expecially when this is taking place. In the past girls were modest and for her to touch other men (before marriage) would make them realise that they are loosing value in themselves. In the times of the Talmud, a girl even covered all up (almost like arabs) if she had bells on her shoes in order to draw attention from men, she was concidered a "zona" - aka prostitute.
Bottom line is that all Rabbis forbid men and women touching, kissing or anything else outside of marriage. And even during marriage their are times that it is forbidden (ex- Nidda).
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Where does it say in the Torah that the Jewish people, MUST follow the rulings of "fences" of the Rabbis when Rabbis never existed in those days?
shimon:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on June 18, 2008, 07:03:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: shimon on June 05, 2008, 09:15:25 PM ---And can anyone tell me one place in the Torah where it says Shomer Negiah.
--- End quote ---
YES. It says in the Torah that the Jewish people, MUST follow the rulings and "fences" of the Rabbis. IT is a Mitzva from the Torah to follow an edict made by our Rabbis and we have to follow them. It might not say soo in Tannach of not touching, but thats why we have the Oral Law to discuss everything, and even if it was not stamm forbidden (or publicized) their have been statements made expecialy recently because now is the time expecially when this is taking place. In the past girls were modest and for her to touch other men (before marriage) would make them realise that they are loosing value in themselves. In the times of the Talmud, a girl even covered all up (almost like arabs) if she had bells on her shoes in order to draw attention from men, she was concidered a "zona" - aka prostitute.
Bottom line is that all Rabbis forbid men and women touching, kissing or anything else outside of marriage. And even during marriage their are times that it is forbidden (ex- Nidda).
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Not true my rabbi (who is orthodox) says you are aloud to touch girls as long as it does not make you aroused. For example a handshake( even if you intiate it)
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: shimon on June 19, 2008, 02:14:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on June 18, 2008, 07:03:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: shimon on June 05, 2008, 09:15:25 PM ---And can anyone tell me one place in the Torah where it says Shomer Negiah.
--- End quote ---
YES. It says in the Torah that the Jewish people, MUST follow the rulings and "fences" of the Rabbis. IT is a Mitzva from the Torah to follow an edict made by our Rabbis and we have to follow them. It might not say soo in Tannach of not touching, but thats why we have the Oral Law to discuss everything, and even if it was not stamm forbidden (or publicized) their have been statements made expecialy recently because now is the time expecially when this is taking place. In the past girls were modest and for her to touch other men (before marriage) would make them realise that they are loosing value in themselves. In the times of the Talmud, a girl even covered all up (almost like arabs) if she had bells on her shoes in order to draw attention from men, she was concidered a "zona" - aka prostitute.
Bottom line is that all Rabbis forbid men and women touching, kissing or anything else outside of marriage. And even during marriage their are times that it is forbidden (ex- Nidda).
--- End quote ---
Not true my rabbi (who is orthodox) says you are aloud to touch girls as long as it does not make you aroused. For example a handshake( even if you intiate it)
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http://dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=1523&txtSearch=hand%20shaking
- Ill bring much more later BH.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: shimon on June 19, 2008, 02:14:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on June 18, 2008, 07:03:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: shimon on June 05, 2008, 09:15:25 PM ---And can anyone tell me one place in the Torah where it says Shomer Negiah.
--- End quote ---
YES. It says in the Torah that the Jewish people, MUST follow the rulings and "fences" of the Rabbis. IT is a Mitzva from the Torah to follow an edict made by our Rabbis and we have to follow them. It might not say soo in Tannach of not touching, but thats why we have the Oral Law to discuss everything, and even if it was not stamm forbidden (or publicized) their have been statements made expecialy recently because now is the time expecially when this is taking place. In the past girls were modest and for her to touch other men (before marriage) would make them realise that they are loosing value in themselves. In the times of the Talmud, a girl even covered all up (almost like arabs) if she had bells on her shoes in order to draw attention from men, she was concidered a "zona" - aka prostitute.
Bottom line is that all Rabbis forbid men and women touching, kissing or anything else outside of marriage. And even during marriage their are times that it is forbidden (ex- Nidda).
--- End quote ---
Not true my rabbi (who is orthodox) says you are aloud to touch girls as long as it does not make you aroused. For example a handshake( even if you intiate it)
--- End quote ---
how are you defining aroused?
There can be a sensation upon skin contact with a female... even hand to hand. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that a quick accidental brush of skin would cause anything to float.
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