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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 26, 2008, 01:59:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 26, 2008, 07:58:47 AM ---If this old woman was your mother or grandmother or aunt or great aunt, would you say it is forbidden? How about if it is in a family setting. You made a flat out statement before.
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I think it's only permitted for your mother or grandmother. You're not supposed to hug your aunt.
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Well then you should have included those exceptions in your statement where you wrote.
"It's also wrong of her to kiss you becuase you're a man and not her husband"
It was indeed that category. She has many children and grandchildren.
There are really many situations where a culture may include kissing outside of your now amended rule.
If you have some hard halachic rule, then all exceptions should be stated, and personal preference doesn't come into it.
If you make up your own rule, then really it all comes down to personality. I can tell you that i'm a bit unusual in that I do not consider kissing to be sexual.. I consider it an irrational unhygienic nuisance, and an extremely stupid, unnecessary, problematic way of obtaining skin/flesh contact, and fairly poor contact in terms of surface area, too.
Mouths are for putting food in and letting a voice out. I have no interest in sampling a woman's saliva any more than I do of drinking the water that a woman has washed her feet in. I am not attracted to bodily fluids like saliva just because they happen to pour out of the body of a woman. I am just not attracted to saliva - female or male. Or breath.
So I might even be more difficult than you ;-)
But there are girls, the type that watch star trek and admire vulcans(spock, tuvok), that would probably agree with me. People just aren't brave enough to admit it. I know a few girls that would be horrified at the thought of somebody putting their face against theirs, lips on lips, risk of bad breath , saliva, a zoomed in view of a little spot, who knows what , e.t.c. !
I have a sex drive like anybody else. Not a kiss drive.
That's my personality though.. I wouldn't expect other people to adopt my view. Not everybody can be logical, and some people really do have an attraction to kisses, and a numbness to the saliva and breath. Most people infact..
So bottom line is all that counts in terms of what jews should adopt, is Halacha - jewish law.
So far you have not quoted anything. No source.
And even if something is jewish law, it doesn't mean we police it (of course you only refer to policing it on jews in israel).
The reason why rabbi kahane would have banned intermarriage were he PM, was because it is a big and real cause of drops in jewish numbers, and it's not a private thing. You can't and shouldn't try policing what people do in their home.. It would even turn people away. And rabbi kahane said that, he said that we are a sick people and can only be healed gradually, so he wouldn't go in and enforce all jewish laws. (and even if we had reached the point of him as PM and us healthy/religious, then I don't think he owuld have tried to police what people do in their homes. I know you probably mean it as fun, but that was not clear in your original post, and given the size of the thread, and the continuously visible subject, it will never be clear).
Americanhero1:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 26, 2008, 01:59:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 26, 2008, 07:58:47 AM ---If this old woman was your mother or grandmother or aunt or great aunt, would you say it is forbidden? How about if it is in a family setting. You made a flat out statement before.
--- End quote ---
I think it's only permitted for your mother or grandmother. You're not supposed to hug your aunt.
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What do you mean you cant Hug your Aunt?
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Americanhero on June 26, 2008, 02:53:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 26, 2008, 01:59:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 26, 2008, 07:58:47 AM ---If this old woman was your mother or grandmother or aunt or great aunt, would you say it is forbidden? How about if it is in a family setting. You made a flat out statement before.
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I think it's only permitted for your mother or grandmother. You're not supposed to hug your aunt.
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What do you mean you cant Hug your Aunt?
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HE MEANS HE DOESN'T THINK ONE SHOULD HUG THEIR AUNT
and HE MEANS HE DOESN'T HUG HIS AUNT
What the hell do you think he meant.
Many people don't hug their aunts. I don't!
don't let these things suprise you so much.
Americanhero1:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 26, 2008, 03:00:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Americanhero on June 26, 2008, 02:53:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 26, 2008, 01:59:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 26, 2008, 07:58:47 AM ---If this old woman was your mother or grandmother or aunt or great aunt, would you say it is forbidden? How about if it is in a family setting. You made a flat out statement before.
--- End quote ---
I think it's only permitted for your mother or grandmother. You're not supposed to hug your aunt.
--- End quote ---
What do you mean you cant Hug your Aunt?
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HE MEANS HE DOESN'T THINK ONE SHOULD HUG THEIR AUNT
and HE MEANS HE DOESN'T HUG HIS AUNT
What the hell do you think he meant.
Many people don't hug their aunts. I don't!
don't let these things suprise you so much.
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I am not asking him why he doesn't. I was asking why are you permitted to hug your Mom and Grandmother but you are not permitted to hug your Aunt.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 26, 2008, 03:12:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Americanhero on June 26, 2008, 02:53:17 PM ---
I am not asking him why he doesn't. I was asking why are you permitted to hug your Mom and Grandmother but you are not permitted to hug your Aunt.
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The reason is because that's Jewish Law.
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If you think so then you should be able to quote a source
Preferably textual, from a classic jewish law book. Like where in the shulchan aruch, or where in the mishneh torah.
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