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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
Katie:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 26, 2008, 01:59:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 26, 2008, 07:58:47 AM ---If this old woman was your mother or grandmother or aunt or great aunt, would you say it is forbidden? How about if it is in a family setting. You made a flat out statement before.
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I think it's only permitted for your mother or grandmother. You're not supposed to hug your aunt.
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lol you can't hug ur aunt? thats rediculous
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Katie on June 26, 2008, 04:02:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 26, 2008, 01:59:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 26, 2008, 07:58:47 AM ---If this old woman was your mother or grandmother or aunt or great aunt, would you say it is forbidden? How about if it is in a family setting. You made a flat out statement before.
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I think it's only permitted for your mother or grandmother. You're not supposed to hug your aunt.
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lol you can't hug ur aunt? thats rediculous
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spelt ridiculous.
I had a friend that pronounced it rediculous - once, that was because he was experimenting with a sense of "humor".
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Katie on June 25, 2008, 04:47:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 25, 2008, 02:50:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Katie on June 25, 2008, 03:48:36 AM ---<snip>
its pretty rediculous to ban shaking hands, thats just a social norm in america today you shake hands, if u dont people will look at you like ur a freak.. if ur comfortable with that then fine. and if ur so insecure or so hyper-sexual that u think about sex so much that even touching someone's hand for 2 seconds gives you all this sexual pleasure then theres something wrong with you ... if people want sexual pleasure they'll get it, no point in banning something as innocent as handshaking
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Ridiculous to ban it, but I don't think it's ridiculous to avoid it. There's sex and there's a small level of sexual feeling. It could cause a small level of sexual feeling.
Guys that kiss like other guys when the greet them (like arabs do) are a real nuisance. Very rare thankfully, but happens. I know a rabbi that does, it has caused most people to avoid him completely.
I have a relative that does it, and I feel obliged to go along with it when he approaches me for it, because if i don't, it looks like i'm uncomfortable with it, which suggests that I think he's a bit gay. Which is an offensive suggestion. So to avoid that, I go along with it. I don't kiss him obviously , he just grabs people and gives them a big kiss on the cheek.
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yeaa but in many places its normal to kiss people as a greeting.. i mean i do with close friends, family friends, stuff like that usually, its just something u do if u havnt seen someone in a long time.. plus i know in france and other places in europe its normal to kiss on the cheek as a greeting, in france its called la bise so its just a question of ur culture i guess and how you're raised...
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i generally try to avoid kissing total strangers when gretting them..especially women..and i'm not shomer negia..
But it's funny actually..just the other day i was walking the streets and some asian girl starts flirting with me in order for me to "give to the children" of Latin America...I was really uncomfortable by the way she was touching me in her friendly manner..it was really invasive.
And at work today, one of the secretaries friends came to the office and she was looking at me raping me with her eyes...it made me feel really uncomfortable to the point that i started showing everyone pics of my gf just to give her no hope and walk away.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 25, 2008, 08:31:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 25, 2008, 08:08:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 25, 2008, 08:04:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 25, 2008, 07:54:01 PM ---it's unhygienic
the likelygood of catching a cold sore is probably equal to that of catching Herpes(an STD). And 20% of people in america have herpes
Herpes is typically spread from oral sex quite often. (as well as genital-genital contact). Or cold sores by mouth to mouth contact.
I know a woman in her 90s that kisses lots of people, and she gets cold sores. EVen when dormant one can catch them. She doesn't kiss me 'cos I told her not to because of that risk.
She is a bit deaf and naiive, and not knowing what she was suggesting, or maybe to get back at me for shunning her, she shouted out, "I WON'T KISS YOU BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE". which was a bit embarassing. Fortunately, I hope, most people knew that she didn't know what that statement might mean anyway. And I think it was forgotton! It's obvious that I am not even remotely gay.. Of course, if I delay getting married, then people might start wondering!
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It's also wrong of her to kiss you becuase you're a man and not her husband.
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well if your argument is that kissing can invoke sexual feeling, I can assure you that it doesn't in me
a)I don't have a kiss drive
b)90 year old women do more to cause me to not be turned on than any self control ever could.
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But if someone sees you kissing an old woman, they may get the impression that it's okay to kiss women so you should refrain from kissing women altogether except for you wife. That's what Chaim said about hugging and why you shouldn't hug an old woman.
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i would agree if he has his kipa on...but if it isn't on and there is no indication that phsycially he's a Jew or religious Jew, then kissing an old woman isn't a big deal..
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Katie on June 26, 2008, 02:38:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 25, 2008, 08:31:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 25, 2008, 08:08:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 25, 2008, 08:04:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 25, 2008, 07:54:01 PM ---it's unhygienic
the likelygood of catching a cold sore is probably equal to that of catching Herpes(an STD). And 20% of people in america have herpes
Herpes is typically spread from oral sex quite often. (as well as genital-genital contact). Or cold sores by mouth to mouth contact.
I know a woman in her 90s that kisses lots of people, and she gets cold sores. EVen when dormant one can catch them. She doesn't kiss me 'cos I told her not to because of that risk.
She is a bit deaf and naiive, and not knowing what she was suggesting, or maybe to get back at me for shunning her, she shouted out, "I WON'T KISS YOU BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE". which was a bit embarassing. Fortunately, I hope, most people knew that she didn't know what that statement might mean anyway. And I think it was forgotton! It's obvious that I am not even remotely gay.. Of course, if I delay getting married, then people might start wondering!
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It's also wrong of her to kiss you becuase you're a man and not her husband.
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well if your argument is that kissing can invoke sexual feeling, I can assure you that it doesn't in me
a)I don't have a kiss drive
b)90 year old women do more to cause me to not be turned on than any self control ever could.
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But if someone sees you kissing an old woman, they may get the impression that it's okay to kiss women so you should refrain from kissing women altogether except for you wife. That's what Chaim said about hugging and why you shouldn't hug an old woman.
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they'll think ur into milfs or even worse..... GILFS.... hahaha :)
oh well hugging is fun though! and so is kissing. u cant live ur life scared of what other people think lol
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I think you are wrong from a religious standpoint.
If the tradition and rule of Orthodox Jews is not to do those things, you dont' want to give antoher Orthodox Jew the impression that you are allowed to do it...
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