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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?

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Katie:

--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 27, 2008, 01:03:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: Katie on June 26, 2008, 02:38:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 25, 2008, 08:31:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 25, 2008, 08:08:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 25, 2008, 08:04:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 25, 2008, 07:54:01 PM ---it's unhygienic

the likelygood of catching a cold sore is probably equal to that of catching Herpes(an STD). And 20% of people  in america have herpes

Herpes is typically spread from oral sex quite often. (as well as genital-genital contact). Or cold sores by mouth to mouth contact.

I know a woman in her 90s that kisses lots of people, and she gets cold sores.  EVen when dormant one can catch them.  She doesn't kiss me 'cos I told her not to because of that risk.

She is a bit deaf and naiive, and not knowing what she was suggesting, or maybe to get back at me for shunning her, she shouted out, "I WON'T KISS YOU BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE".  which was a bit embarassing.  Fortunately, I hope, most people knew that she didn't know what that statement might mean anyway. And I think it was forgotton!  It's obvious that I am not even remotely gay..   Of course, if I delay getting married, then people might start wondering!
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It's also wrong of her to kiss you becuase you're a man and not her husband.



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well if your argument is that kissing can invoke sexual feeling, I can assure you that it doesn't in me
a)I don't have a kiss drive
b)90 year old women do more to cause me to not be turned on than any self control ever could.
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But if someone sees you kissing an old woman, they may get the impression that it's okay to kiss women so you should refrain from kissing women altogether except for you wife. That's what Chaim said about hugging and why you shouldn't hug an old woman.



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they'll think ur into milfs or even worse..... GILFS.... hahaha :)

oh well hugging is fun though! and so is kissing. u cant live ur life scared of what other people think lol

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I think you are wrong from a religious standpoint.

If the tradition and rule of Orthodox Jews is not to do those things, you dont' want to give antoher Orthodox Jew the impression that you are allowed to do it...

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good thing im not an orthodox jew then :) and im glad im not one.. btw thanks for the spelling lesson dr dan ill make sure to go through the forum and find something you misspelled

Dr. Dan:

--- Quote from: Katie on June 27, 2008, 02:42:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 27, 2008, 01:03:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: Katie on June 26, 2008, 02:38:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 25, 2008, 08:31:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 25, 2008, 08:08:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on June 25, 2008, 08:04:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 25, 2008, 07:54:01 PM ---it's unhygienic

the likelygood of catching a cold sore is probably equal to that of catching Herpes(an STD). And 20% of people  in america have herpes

Herpes is typically spread from oral sex quite often. (as well as genital-genital contact). Or cold sores by mouth to mouth contact.

I know a woman in her 90s that kisses lots of people, and she gets cold sores.  EVen when dormant one can catch them.  She doesn't kiss me 'cos I told her not to because of that risk.

She is a bit deaf and naiive, and not knowing what she was suggesting, or maybe to get back at me for shunning her, she shouted out, "I WON'T KISS YOU BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE".  which was a bit embarassing.  Fortunately, I hope, most people knew that she didn't know what that statement might mean anyway. And I think it was forgotton!  It's obvious that I am not even remotely gay..   Of course, if I delay getting married, then people might start wondering!
--- End quote ---


It's also wrong of her to kiss you becuase you're a man and not her husband.



--- End quote ---

well if your argument is that kissing can invoke sexual feeling, I can assure you that it doesn't in me
a)I don't have a kiss drive
b)90 year old women do more to cause me to not be turned on than any self control ever could.
--- End quote ---


But if someone sees you kissing an old woman, they may get the impression that it's okay to kiss women so you should refrain from kissing women altogether except for you wife. That's what Chaim said about hugging and why you shouldn't hug an old woman.



--- End quote ---

they'll think ur into milfs or even worse..... GILFS.... hahaha :)

oh well hugging is fun though! and so is kissing. u cant live ur life scared of what other people think lol

--- End quote ---

I think you are wrong from a religious standpoint.

If the tradition and rule of Orthodox Jews is not to do those things, you dont' want to give antoher Orthodox Jew the impression that you are allowed to do it...

--- End quote ---

good thing im not an orthodox jew then :) and im glad im not one.. btw thanks for the spelling lesson dr dan ill make sure to go through the forum and find something you misspelled

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hehehe nor am I :)

q_q_:

--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 27, 2008, 01:00:05 AM ---
i generally try to avoid kissing total strangers when gretting them..especially women..and i'm not shomer negia..

But it's funny actually..just the other day i was walking the streets and some asian girl starts flirting with me in order for me to "give to the children" of Latin America...I was really uncomfortable by the way she was touching me in her friendly manner..it was really invasive.

And at work today, one of the secretaries friends came to the office and she was looking at me raping me with her eyes...it made me feel really uncomfortable to the point that i started showing everyone pics of my gf just to give her no hope and walk away.

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That is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard a man say. You felt (in a negative way) like you were (helpless and) being raped by a woman!.. As punishment, you should be neutered.

the pics of your gf was good thinking though.

Dr. Dan:

--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 27, 2008, 11:04:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 27, 2008, 01:00:05 AM ---
i generally try to avoid kissing total strangers when gretting them..especially women..and i'm not shomer negia..

But it's funny actually..just the other day i was walking the streets and some asian girl starts flirting with me in order for me to "give to the children" of Latin America...I was really uncomfortable by the way she was touching me in her friendly manner..it was really invasive.

And at work today, one of the secretaries friends came to the office and she was looking at me raping me with her eyes...it made me feel really uncomfortable to the point that i started showing everyone pics of my gf just to give her no hope and walk away.

--- End quote ---

That is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard a man say. You felt (in a negative way) like you were (helpless and) being raped by a woman!.. As punishment, you should be neutered.

the pics of your gf was good thinking though.

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I was uncomfortable for the first time with a girl looking at me like the way she did..and she was pretty cute too...

muslimslayer0075995:
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