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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
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--- Quote from: muslimslayer0075995 on July 11, 2008, 04:54:20 PM ---q q ur last comment was uncalled for, i am a proud orthodox jew, the torah to me is a way of life, i would never second guess the ancient scriptures, i was mearly making a point :(
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You said "even religious scholars argue on the scriptual accuracies of some of the torahs' writings"
I am curious to know then, what was your point ?
Who are these scholars. What do they say. ?
Indeed. If they don't believe in its accuracy, then what is the purpose of them writing if not to try to undermine torah judaism. An orthodox jew would not consider such people "religious". They are anti religious, I would say 100% are anti religious. They are unorthodox. An orthodox jew would not consider them religious scholars. Not of his bible religion, or of any bible based religion.
And since you claim to be an orthodox jew, what is your idea of a religious scholar that does not accept the torah's accuracy?
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i know you arent' addressing me here..but I will make a fundamental note:
The Torah is very accurate...However, a human being's interpretation of it is inaccurate. Our great Sages, on the other hand were much more accurate than a non-Sage most of the time with their interpretations.
ok...continue...
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Also its more then that. IT is kinda hard to explain fully, and it also depends on which sage says something, BUT at the very least when their was a Sanhedrin and it decided on one was of applying the law, even if their was a disagreement or another great Hacham said something else and had all the proof infront of him, and even if Heaven came to testify that he is correct, IF the other sages said something contrary it had/has to be followed. For example their is a story in the Gemorah where Rabbi Eliezer argues with the sages about a certain oven being allowed or not on Shabb-t. They said No, he said Yes. It came to the pont where he said let the walls of this ceiling go down if I am correct, and they were collapsing until another sage Rabbi Yoshua said stop, and it did. He even said let their be a voice from heaven saying that I am correct, and their was, BUT Rabbi Yoshua said back that with all die respect the law is not decided in Heaven, G-d gave the laws, and He has written in the Torah to listin to the sages and follow them (which is a commandment also), and when they make a ruling the nation is then obligated to follow them even if heaven itself testifies that the other opinion is correct. G-d then says that He is "defeated", but this type of defeat, is a defeat of rejoicing, as it says in Tehillim about G-d who is "defeated" and rejoices (It has a number of lessons on how G-d is so-called "defeated" which is not literal of-course (One can either look at this as literal, or Aggadah which is symbolic, but either way the message is "Lo Bishimaim.." ) The Torah is not in heaven, but here and is to be decided here. BUTTT that does NOT mean that in todays generation their will be and are "Rabbis" that we would have to follow their majority, it is the majority of the Real Hachamim, (and the best scenario is the Sanhedrin).
muslimslayer0075995:
ok i believe that this website is supposed to be a safe zone for jews, i believe i am intitled to an opionon, so my view is that some things that are in the torah are basicaly a moral law of older times, i mean the torah will be the law of jews forever but as humanity evolves arent the customs, and the ways society and even or khanist society sometimes will defy meagure (will have to check spelling) and perhaps very very small or insignificant beliefs of the torah. i believe that pre maritial sex is completly against what the torah stands for, but i mean if you and ur significant other wish to um.... show signs of affection to one another (in that way) i believe that those two are entitled to do so, so long as it is a private matter. does anyone else know what i mean ?
muslimslayer0075995:
qq, dr dan is completly intitled to his feelings, its not pathetic.
Karen:
Who would want to marry someone without knowing if they have chemistry or not? It IS important, as is love.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muslimslayer0075995 on July 14, 2008, 09:15:06 PM ---qq, dr dan is completly intitled to his feelings, its not pathetic.
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For a man especially,
All feelings are pathetic, look to Mr Spock for guidance.
Not Leonard Nemoy, but Mr Spock.
You can settle for Tuvok, he is also a good example.
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