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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
Maimonides:
--- Quote from: מאיר כהן on May 22, 2008, 03:22:21 PM ---
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--- Quote from: מאיר כהן on May 22, 2008, 12:52:21 PM ---
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--- Quote from: IslamIsCancer on May 22, 2008, 03:01:51 AM ---People will not support JTF if Chaim tries to ban things like this, Jews are not backward people they are very civilized they are basically Europeans. This kinda stuff can work in Iran but not in Israel.
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Civilized and Europeans are two words that do not go together. If you call the degenerate culture of Europe civilized then we have a problem as to where this movement is going.
JTF is not a libertarian free for all but a Jewish movement for restoring Judaism to Israel.
The problem is that too many Jews have become as HaRav Kahane would say Hellenized into thinking that Judaism is a Western Value.
Too quote HaRav Kahane "most Jews wouldn't know a Jewish concept if they tripped over one"
"Thomas Jefferson and John Locke do not express Jewish values"!!!
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Why does everyone bash Thomas Jefferson on here?
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jeffjews.html
Thomas Jefferson was not a true G-d fearing Christian but a deist, which is similar to a secular humanist.
He only pretended to be a Christian for political reasons like many of the politicians of today. Jefferson gets way too much credit for his role in the founding of the U.S.
He despised real Christians and detested Jews, his phrase "wall of separation between Church and State" has become the shield for atheists to use against religious Christians in the U.S. And has become a standard that Israeli secularists seek to live up to.
Jefferson was not even involved in writing the U.S. Constitution because he was the U.S. minister to France at the time, and later supported the Jacobin faction during the French Revolution.
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Weren't most of the founding fathers free masons/deist escaping religious persecution in Europe?
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You're thinking of the Puritans who fled the Anglican Church of England. They certainly were not exactly friendly towards Jews.
But by the time of founding fathers there was a more hospital atmosphere towards Jews in America.
Despite the myths of secularists most of the Founding Fathers were religious, and opposed an established Church that existed in England because they saw it was a corrupting political influence on religion.
White Israelite:
--- Quote from: Maimonides on May 22, 2008, 03:45:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: מאיר כהן on May 22, 2008, 03:22:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Maimonides on May 22, 2008, 03:08:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: מאיר כהן on May 22, 2008, 12:52:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Maimonides on May 22, 2008, 12:31:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: IslamIsCancer on May 22, 2008, 03:01:51 AM ---People will not support JTF if Chaim tries to ban things like this, Jews are not backward people they are very civilized they are basically Europeans. This kinda stuff can work in Iran but not in Israel.
--- End quote ---
Civilized and Europeans are two words that do not go together. If you call the degenerate culture of Europe civilized then we have a problem as to where this movement is going.
JTF is not a libertarian free for all but a Jewish movement for restoring Judaism to Israel.
The problem is that too many Jews have become as HaRav Kahane would say Hellenized into thinking that Judaism is a Western Value.
Too quote HaRav Kahane "most Jews wouldn't know a Jewish concept if they tripped over one"
"Thomas Jefferson and John Locke do not express Jewish values"!!!
--- End quote ---
Why does everyone bash Thomas Jefferson on here?
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jeffjews.html
Thomas Jefferson was not a true G-d fearing Christian but a deist, which is similar to a secular humanist.
He only pretended to be a Christian for political reasons like many of the politicians of today. Jefferson gets way too much credit for his role in the founding of the U.S.
He despised real Christians and detested Jews, his phrase "wall of separation between Church and State" has become the shield for atheists to use against religious Christians in the U.S. And has become a standard that Israeli secularists seek to live up to.
Jefferson was not even involved in writing the U.S. Constitution because he was the U.S. minister to France at the time, and later supported the Jacobin faction during the French Revolution.
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Weren't most of the founding fathers free masons/deist escaping religious persecution in Europe?
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You're thinking of the Puritans who fled the Anglican Church of England. They certainly were not exactly friendly towards Jews.
But by the time of founding fathers there was a more hospital atmosphere towards Jews in America.
Despite the myths of secularists most of the Founding Fathers were religious, and opposed an established Church that existed in England because they saw it was a corrupting political influence on religion.
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With how corrupt our school systems and our courts are, I wonder if the name of G-d and the 10 commandments should even be tainted in such a way in those court houses.
Theres nothing holy about our governmental institutes.
Maimonides:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 03:54:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Maimonides on May 22, 2008, 03:45:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: מאיר כהן on May 22, 2008, 03:22:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Maimonides on May 22, 2008, 03:08:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: מאיר כהן on May 22, 2008, 12:52:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Maimonides on May 22, 2008, 12:31:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: IslamIsCancer on May 22, 2008, 03:01:51 AM ---People will not support JTF if Chaim tries to ban things like this, Jews are not backward people they are very civilized they are basically Europeans. This kinda stuff can work in Iran but not in Israel.
--- End quote ---
Civilized and Europeans are two words that do not go together. If you call the degenerate culture of Europe civilized then we have a problem as to where this movement is going.
JTF is not a libertarian free for all but a Jewish movement for restoring Judaism to Israel.
The problem is that too many Jews have become as HaRav Kahane would say Hellenized into thinking that Judaism is a Western Value.
Too quote HaRav Kahane "most Jews wouldn't know a Jewish concept if they tripped over one"
"Thomas Jefferson and John Locke do not express Jewish values"!!!
--- End quote ---
Why does everyone bash Thomas Jefferson on here?
--- End quote ---
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jeffjews.html
Thomas Jefferson was not a true G-d fearing Christian but a deist, which is similar to a secular humanist.
He only pretended to be a Christian for political reasons like many of the politicians of today. Jefferson gets way too much credit for his role in the founding of the U.S.
He despised real Christians and detested Jews, his phrase "wall of separation between Church and State" has become the shield for atheists to use against religious Christians in the U.S. And has become a standard that Israeli secularists seek to live up to.
Jefferson was not even involved in writing the U.S. Constitution because he was the U.S. minister to France at the time, and later supported the Jacobin faction during the French Revolution.
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Weren't most of the founding fathers free masons/deist escaping religious persecution in Europe?
--- End quote ---
You're thinking of the Puritans who fled the Anglican Church of England. They certainly were not exactly friendly towards Jews.
But by the time of founding fathers there was a more hospital atmosphere towards Jews in America.
Despite the myths of secularists most of the Founding Fathers were religious, and opposed an established Church that existed in England because they saw it was a corrupting political influence on religion.
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But The Pilgrims were Righteous Gentiles who wanted to purify their religion of Pre-Christian pagan influences and therefore celebrated Thanksgiving based on the Biblical Jewish holiday of Sukkot rather than Christmas which came from Pre-Christian pagan Sun worship. They banned Christmas in America.
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True after all they were "The Puritans" but my main problem with them is that they saw themselves as the successors of the Jews, which smacks of replacement theology
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/Jews_Connecticut.html
--- Quote ---The Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock in 1620 and the Puritans who founded Boston in 1630 saw themselves as authentic successors to the ancient Hebrews. New England was to be their New Jerusalem, a society based on the covenant between G-d and Abraham. Just as Moses had led the Jews out of Egypt, through the wilderness and into the promised land of Canaan, John Winthrop had led the Puritans out of a corrupt church in England to the wilderness of New England, where a pure church and polity could be re-established. By their own account, biblical Jews inspired the Puritans’ vision and aspirations.....
Yet, New England’s Puritans were less than hospitable to Jews they actually found among them. The Connecticut colony they founded offers a clear example of the contradiction between their high regard for biblical Jews and their reluctance to have real-life Jews as neighbors......
Connecticut colony’s 1662 royal charter declared that “the Christian faith is the only and principal end of this plantation.” .....
Jews were lumped “with heretics, Catholics [and others] to whom it was illegal to give food or lodging under the early legal codes of Hartford and New Haven.” The royal charter explicitly denied Jews the right to build synagogues, worship as an assembled group, purchase land for a cemetery, vote or hold public office. It is no surprise, then, that only a handful of Jews resided in Connecticut during the years of Puritan domination. The first reference to a Jew in Connecticut is to one “David the Jew,” who was arrested and fined by a Hartford court in 1659 for illegal peddling. A more telling case is that of Jacob Lucena, identified as “Jacob the Jew” in court records, who in 1670 was charged, in a manner reminiscent of 2Oth-century Southern lynch mobs, with the crime of being “notorious in his lascivious dalliance and wanton carriage and proffers to several women.”
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nessuno:
--- Quote from: מאיר כהן on May 22, 2008, 03:38:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 03:29:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: מאיר כהן on May 22, 2008, 03:26:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 02:15:17 PM ---It's no fair to the woman if a man touches her because he gets sexual enjoyment from touching her. I will not shake an attractive woman's hand because I don't want to use her for enjoyment and because it is a sin to have such enjoyment from a woman other than my wife.
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I've never heard of anyone getting pleasure in shaking a womens hand, I guess in this crazy world, anythings possible though.
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If a man never touches women, obviously he will get turned on by touching a woman.
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Even this one?
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:::D
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 02:02:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on May 22, 2008, 07:59:50 AM ---Like I said, I love Judaism.. I love Torah..I love the infinte wisdom of the Rabbis...But I despise it when a religious Jew tells any less religious Jew that everything he/she does is a sin and that they will DIE or NEVER come back in the world to come if they don't become religious like them...
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No one said touching the opposite gender prevents you from going to The World To Come.
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then the prospect of banning it is a mistake you are making...you touch a very sensitive point with me and other less religious Jews on this subject. You can't just ban things like that. To not touch someone of the opposite sex until you are married is a personal choice one decides to make..and an idealistic Jew who can do such a thing shoudl at least try it. For those who are religous who do it, they should only show and explain the beauty of not doing it and how great it is...the person who listens can decide for him/herself to practice it that way or not...But to ban this or ban that...bad move..bad wording...it's not right.
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