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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 11:06:59 PM ---
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--- Quote from: Rubystars on May 22, 2008, 02:20:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 02:15:17 PM ---It's no fair to the woman if a man touches her because he gets sexual enjoyment from touching her. I will not shake an attractive woman's hand because I don't want to use her for enjoyment and because it is a sin to have such enjoyment from a woman other than my wife.
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I didn't realize men thought of sex when they shook someone's hand.
What concerns me is that women would be the ones being disadvantaged professionally because much of the business world is male and much of the medical profession is male. So if you're a female businessperson or doctor and you can't shake hands with a colleague or examine someone of the opposite gender then you're going to be severely disadvantaged compared to your male counterparts.
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Don't worry rubystars..I don't think of sex when a shake a woman's hand...However, if i"M holding my girlfriend's hand and we come across haredi or any yamulka wearing jew, we let go of each other out of respect.
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I never said that men think of sex when shaking a woman's hand. I said they feel a sexually pleasureful feeling in their body. It is a body reaction, not a thought.
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A rather broad generalization I think............
Perhaps for a guy who is never around women and barely dates that might be true.
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Well Jewish men are not allowed to kiss women before marriage so any physical contact with a woman can be a sexual experience.
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I have a problem with this theology. It makes no sense to me. If a Jewish man is technically not supposed to kiss a woman before marraige then what stops him from having sex which is really "eating from from the tree of knowledge"...and kissing simply means "touching that fruit."
The idea of not kissing a woman before marraige is a fence that is built around the Torah. To all those who can uphold that rule, my blessings to them...But certainly, kissing is not sex...
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 23, 2008, 03:19:09 AM ---
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--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 05:46:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on May 22, 2008, 04:50:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rubystars on May 22, 2008, 02:20:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 02:15:17 PM ---It's no fair to the woman if a man touches her because he gets sexual enjoyment from touching her. I will not shake an attractive woman's hand because I don't want to use her for enjoyment and because it is a sin to have such enjoyment from a woman other than my wife.
--- End quote ---
I didn't realize men thought of sex when they shook someone's hand.
What concerns me is that women would be the ones being disadvantaged professionally because much of the business world is male and much of the medical profession is male. So if you're a female businessperson or doctor and you can't shake hands with a colleague or examine someone of the opposite gender then you're going to be severely disadvantaged compared to your male counterparts.
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Don't worry rubystars..I don't think of sex when a shake a woman's hand...However, if i"M holding my girlfriend's hand and we come across haredi or any yamulka wearing jew, we let go of each other out of respect.
--- End quote ---
I never said that men think of sex when shaking a woman's hand. I said they feel a sexually pleasureful feeling in their body. It is a body reaction, not a thought.
--- End quote ---
A rather broad generalization I think............
Perhaps for a guy who is never around women and barely dates that might be true.
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Well Jewish men are not allowed to kiss women before marriage so any physical contact with a woman can be a sexual experience.
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No, a sexual experience is having sex, not for example shaking a womans hand. Thinking about sex isn't a sexual experience either.
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But if I shake a very attractive woman's hand, I will get a sexual feeling in my body. So therefore I refrain from doing so.
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What if you look at an attractive women and have sexual feelings as a result; would you ban looking at attractive women? This is likely the origin of the dress code amongst muslime women.
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According to Judaism, you're not supposed to gaze at a woman's beauty unless the intent is marriage and then you can even smile at her. So Judaism already banned it although I personally only refrain from touching. Men listening to women sing is also banned in Judaism but I don't obey by that either.
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last i checked, Judaism didn't ban any of those things...Simply, certain rabbis urged fellow Jews to avoid these things..but to ban them? hahahaha...it's not Judaism..not the Torah that I understand...nor the Gd i know. Nor the compassion we are supposed to have for life...So, no, this isn't the Torah I know and loved and grew up with..But feel free from banning yourself from these things if it is going to lead you to sin.
So to clarify..there is no ban, but recommendations. I understand them and it makes sense...things like gazing at a very attractive woman is something that for me can be avoided out of respect for my wife...so i want you to understand that i appreciate these recommendations...but they definately aren't bans.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 23, 2008, 03:35:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on May 23, 2008, 03:30:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 11:06:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: FULL METAL JACKET on May 22, 2008, 06:05:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 05:46:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on May 22, 2008, 04:50:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rubystars on May 22, 2008, 02:20:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on May 22, 2008, 02:15:17 PM ---It's no fair to the woman if a man touches her because he gets sexual enjoyment from touching her. I will not shake an attractive woman's hand because I don't want to use her for enjoyment and because it is a sin to have such enjoyment from a woman other than my wife.
--- End quote ---
I didn't realize men thought of sex when they shook someone's hand.
What concerns me is that women would be the ones being disadvantaged professionally because much of the business world is male and much of the medical profession is male. So if you're a female businessperson or doctor and you can't shake hands with a colleague or examine someone of the opposite gender then you're going to be severely disadvantaged compared to your male counterparts.
--- End quote ---
Don't worry rubystars..I don't think of sex when a shake a woman's hand...However, if i"M holding my girlfriend's hand and we come across haredi or any yamulka wearing jew, we let go of each other out of respect.
--- End quote ---
I never said that men think of sex when shaking a woman's hand. I said they feel a sexually pleasureful feeling in their body. It is a body reaction, not a thought.
--- End quote ---
A rather broad generalization I think............
Perhaps for a guy who is never around women and barely dates that might be true.
--- End quote ---
Well Jewish men are not allowed to kiss women before marriage so any physical contact with a woman can be a sexual experience.
--- End quote ---
I have a problem with this theology. It makes no sense to me. If a Jewish man is technically not supposed to kiss a woman before marraige then what stops him from having sex which is really "eating from from the tree of knowledge"...and kissing simply means "touching that fruit."
The idea of not kissing a woman before marraige is a fence that is built around the Torah. To all those who can uphold that rule, my blessings to them...But certainly, kissing is not sex...
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Kissing can be as pleasureful as sex. You can get the same feeling in your body without having intercourse. Kissing is mouth sex and therefore is wrong before marriage.
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therefore, if one kisses, then he might as well have actual intercourse...I think when the Rabbis discussed this, they knew better than to say that both were equal...it's not very rabbinical to me. Rather, the rabbis would say, Kissing can lead to sex and tehrefore it is recommended to avoid that kind of contact in order to prevent the actual sin. But Kissing...no it's not sex...otherwise well...we would all be sluts by now wouldn't we?
Zelhar:
Judaism actually allows sex without marriage, it is permissible for a man to have a Pilegesh, and it is permissible for a woman to be a man's pilegesh.
DownwithIslam:
Yacov, it will be pretty hard to find jewish girls that have no been immoral. Even many religious ones are involved in promiscuity. This is not only a male problem but a female one as well. In todays world, you are thinking about a perfect situation which doesnt happen often. I am sure you are right that it would be better if people were more moral.
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