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To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« on: June 12, 2008, 02:22:48 AM »
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I am now uploading my Hebrew videos to liveleak because they have an easy system for creating English subtitles.

I just made a new video entitled התנצלות מהימין האמיתי which means "Apology from HaYamin HaAmiti". In this video, I apologize to our many Hebrew supporters for the many technical problems that we have had in the past several weeks. The video is over 14 minutes long and so it is not on zootube. It is on liveleak and flix. I hope you can easily subtitle the Hebrew videos on liveleak. If it is too much work, don't worry about it. But if you can do it, then all of our English-speaking members can see the message that we are delivering to the Jewish youth of Israel and to the hundreds of thousands of Arutz 7 readers, since we will be providing links G-d willing to our liveleak videos on our Arutz 7 advertisements.

If you are able to do it, please let me know so that I can give you the password to my liveleak account. This will enable you to do the English subtitles.
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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2008, 06:20:19 AM »
I don't think it's a good idea to reveal your password to anybody :(
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2008, 08:34:35 AM »
I don't think it's a good idea to reveal your password to anybody :(

Well then if we ever get stuck in a town with password protected toilets, remind me not to reveal the passwords to you.

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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2008, 10:20:12 AM »
OK..
I can see how to put subtitles within the video.
So whereever you upload them, they will have them.

Here is a demo, just to demonstrate it

note- this is a great clip from the british version of the apprentice.  I added the subtitles.


I will detail how.

We can then store the updated videos on the rapidshare archive. And anybody can upload them wherever. 

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2008, 12:34:30 PM »
I don't think it's a good idea to reveal your password to anybody :(

You are right, but I trust Dan Ben Noah. I am sure he would not give my password to anyone else under any circumstances. Also, you need the password for the account that produced the video in order to more easily use their subtitle program. It's important that we translate these Hebrew videos. I hope to make at least 2 videos each week in Hebrew for translation.

Our Hebrew audience is now much larger than our English audience because of the Arutz 7 advertisements. I want our English-speaking members to see exactly what we are telling this large Israeli audience.

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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2008, 12:37:29 PM »
Dan Ben Noah is really wonderful to take the time out to do that work. It's really nice to be able to see the subtitled videos :)

Thanks Dan!
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2008, 02:11:56 PM »
I trust Dan Ben Noah completely. If he put in the time to Subtitle the videos then their is no reason to believe that he would betray Chaim and give out the password. Thank you Dan Ben Noah for all the work you do.
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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2008, 07:28:14 PM »
Chaim, I don't know if you noticed, but YouTube has subtitles/annotations now too.

Also, I suggest uploading videos to these sites:

www.ireport.com

www.break.com
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2008, 07:36:03 PM »
Note- I posted this before reading the post from Zevulun Ben Moshe(his was written while I was writing this, and before I had clicked post). His post may make this one not so relevant..

some links to the video - "who are the real zionists?"
http://www.2shared.com/file/3428537/8d6718a8/trz3.html
 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IG1N8T9Y
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f64_1213299695

that has subtitles combined into the video..

The quality isn't great 'cos I did it by recording the screen watching the video on http://www.overstream.net.

I did it with
 Easy Screen Capture Video -  (trial version).
I think it just lets you open/close it x times. So keep it open.
region..fixed region..select
options..video options..move the quality slider up
Save it , video.avi

Now you have a silent video.. with subtitles. 'cos the recording didn't record the sound. Just the screen.  

That is easy.


 You can add chaim's hebrew speaking..  / the sound..


that, requires alot more..

www.keepvid.com  , paste in a link to the equivalent youtube video.
(overstream gives a link to the video on youtube or google video or wherever it is stored.)
Download that video.   It will have a name like getVideo, which is getVideo.flv

Videodub can save the sound from that.. getVideo.flv
and put it in your avi (the silent video), soon to have sound.

- http://moitah.net/   FLV Input Plugin -  As it says  , An input plugin for VirtualDub that allows it to open FLV files.   Extract the zip into virtualdub\plugins
Then you have the .flv type under file types.

- install the divx codec.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f64_1213299695

that has subtitles combined into the video..

The quality isn't great 'cos I did it by recording the screen watching the video on http://www.overstream.net.

I did it with
 Easy Screen Capture Video -  (trial version).
I think it just lets you open/close it x times. So keep it open.
region..fixed region..select
options..video options..move the quality slider up
Save it , video.avi

Now you have a silent video.. with subtitles. 'cos the recording didn't record the sound. Just the screen.  

That is easy.


 You can add chaim's hebrew speaking..  / the sound..


that, requires alot more..

www.keepvid.com  , paste in a link to the equivalent youtube video.
(overstream gives a link to the video on youtube or google video or wherever it is stored.)
Download that video.   It will have a name like getVideo, which is getVideo.flv

Videodub can save the sound from that.. getVideo.flv
and put it in your avi (the silent video), soon to have sound.

- http://moitah.net/   FLV Input Plugin -  As it says  , An input plugin for VirtualDub that allows it to open FLV files.   Extract the zip into virtualdub\plugins
Then you have the .flv type under file types.

- install the divx codec.


in videodub, choose
video..full processing mode
video...compression...divx 1 logical cpu  (there is another divx but it didn't work for me. i got no picture) (divx is useful when file File Save AVI, so the file is 20MB instead of 100MB. or 50MB instead of 200MB)


open the silent video with subtitles, and do audio..choose audio source...(choose the getvideo.flv - that video you got from youtube, it has the sound)


There is another way.. but it requires danbennoah..  But that method above is one that an individual can do without knowing hebrew.. The recording the silent video anyway..
It takes the video from overstream, and records it and you can upload it wherever.

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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2008, 07:52:59 PM »
in a nutshell.  we do not have the subtitles file, so it takes longer.. one has to watch the whole video to do it.. It's not long, but still..   
The process is quicker if one has the subtitles file, as Dan has - he wrote it..


zevulun - you mention youtube and subtitles. Do you mean watching a youtube video on youtube.com and seeing subtitles ?  can you elaborate?

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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2008, 07:59:07 PM »
Chaim,

Since I saw this thread this evening, I have been experimenting with adding captions to Liveleak videos.  I experimented on an English video on the Croatians that I uploaded to Liveleak from the Rapidshare site many months ago.  I think I have the basic idea of how to do it now, and I'd be glad to translate your Hebrew videos.

Just so you are aware, there are a couple of slight drawbacks to translating them on Liveleak:
1.  There's no way that I've found to delete a caption once you've added it, so you can't edit/change things once they are on the video.  This means that more mistakes could slip through.
2.  Once I've saved any caption to a video, it automatically goes live.  This means that if I started a translation one night and finished it the next, if anyone visited the video before I finished it, they'd be watching a half-translated video.

These drawbacks don't mean that I can't do the translations, they are simply a heads up as to the possible flaws in the video that can come from this.  Liveleak's caption feature is not as user-friendly as Overstream.net where I've been doing the other subtitled videos.  Unfortunately, Overstream doesn't support Liveleak videos, so if I don't do them on Liveleak, then none of the new ones will be translated unless you post them on Google or ZooTube.

After reading this, if you're still interested in having me translate the videos straight on Liveleak, I'm willing to go ahead with it and start tomorrow night.
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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2008, 08:13:42 PM »
q_q_,

After using Overstream, I realized that it is not much harder to translate as I'm putting in the captions than it is to write out an entire script.  I'd like to be able to put those Overstream videos on Liveleak like you did, but I have had problems with sites like keepvid, etc.  I originally tried downloading some Hebrew videos so that I could translate them in my Windows Movie Maker.  I was able to download them in FLV format, but I haven't been able to convert them to mpg or wmv or something that Windows Movie Maker supports. 
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Zechariah 8:23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.’”

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2008, 08:44:28 PM »
q_q_,

After using Overstream, I realized that it is not much harder to translate as I'm putting in the captions than it is to write out an entire script.  I'd like to be able to put those Overstream videos on Liveleak like you did, but I have had problems with sites like keepvid, etc.  I originally tried downloading some Hebrew videos so that I could translate them in my Windows Movie Maker.  I was able to download them in FLV format, but I haven't been able to convert them to mpg or wmv or something that Windows Movie Maker supports. 

videodub can combine them.. I msged you a solution..

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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2008, 09:24:37 PM »
q_q_,

After using Overstream, I realized that it is not much harder to translate as I'm putting in the captions than it is to write out an entire script.  I'd like to be able to put those Overstream videos on Liveleak like you did, but I have had problems with sites like keepvid, etc.  I originally tried downloading some Hebrew videos so that I could translate them in my Windows Movie Maker.  I was able to download them in FLV format, but I haven't been able to convert them to mpg or wmv or something that Windows Movie Maker supports. 

http://www.onlyfreewares.com/Audio-Video/Video-Converters/Free-FLV-to-AVI-Converter.php
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2008, 09:26:03 PM »
in a nutshell.  we do not have the subtitles file, so it takes longer.. one has to watch the whole video to do it.. It's not long, but still..   
The process is quicker if one has the subtitles file, as Dan has - he wrote it..


zevulun - you mention youtube and subtitles. Do you mean watching a youtube video on youtube.com and seeing subtitles ?  can you elaborate?

http://www.youtube.com/t/annotations_about
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2008, 09:55:42 PM »
q_q_,

After using Overstream, I realized that it is not much harder to translate as I'm putting in the captions than it is to write out an entire script.  I'd like to be able to put those Overstream videos on Liveleak like you did, but I have had problems with sites like keepvid, etc.  I originally tried downloading some Hebrew videos so that I could translate them in my Windows Movie Maker.  I was able to download them in FLV format, but I haven't been able to convert them to mpg or wmv or something that Windows Movie Maker supports. 

http://www.onlyfreewares.com/Audio-Video/Video-Converters/Free-FLV-to-AVI-Converter.php

ok.. if not using the subtitles file..
so, if redoing things with windows movie maker..
Then,
some more options for converting from FLV to AVI

http://www.youconvertit.com/convertfiles.aspx (will probably do it)

this might work..
SUPER by eRightSoft
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/video_encoders/super.cfm
choose AVI as output container
you drag the file onto the bottom pane, and right click and choose encode..

you may or may not want to choose divx for output video codec. Whatever works.

That program zev mentioned.. seems quite popular. Here is another link to it
Pazera Free FLV to AVI Converter 1.1
http://www.download.com/Pazera-Free-FLV-to-AVI-Converter/3000-2194_4-10786669.html
I read some of the reviews. It seems legit.. no funny business with it.
You may want to glance through the 37+ reviews at that link before downloading it
But if it was bad it prob wouldn't have 37 reviews.. and wouldn't have uniquely written complimentary posts.. I ran it on my machine, seems smooth.. no signs of spyware. Googling didn't show it to be malicious.. I haven't searched alot, but it smells safe, I think it is.
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2008, 01:20:50 AM »
Chaim,

Since I saw this thread this evening, I have been experimenting with adding captions to Liveleak videos.  I experimented on an English video on the Croatians that I uploaded to Liveleak from the Rapidshare site many months ago.  I think I have the basic idea of how to do it now, and I'd be glad to translate your Hebrew videos.

Just so you are aware, there are a couple of slight drawbacks to translating them on Liveleak:
1.  There's no way that I've found to delete a caption once you've added it, so you can't edit/change things once they are on the video.  This means that more mistakes could slip through.
2.  Once I've saved any caption to a video, it automatically goes live.  This means that if I started a translation one night and finished it the next, if anyone visited the video before I finished it, they'd be watching a half-translated video.

These drawbacks don't mean that I can't do the translations, they are simply a heads up as to the possible flaws in the video that can come from this.  Liveleak's caption feature is not as user-friendly as Overstream.net where I've been doing the other subtitled videos.  Unfortunately, Overstream doesn't support Liveleak videos, so if I don't do them on Liveleak, then none of the new ones will be translated unless you post them on Google or ZooTube.

After reading this, if you're still interested in having me translate the videos straight on Liveleak, I'm willing to go ahead with it and start tomorrow night.

I didn't realize that you can't change or edit on liveleak.

They also have a ridiculous rule for when you post a video on liveleak. You can only delete it after you get permission from the admins.

I don't know. I don't want Dan to feel that he is under pressure not to make a mistake because the mistake can't be corrected.

What do you suggest that we do?

I would have suggested flix, but I'm having problems accessing flix lately. Israelis do not have any problems, only people outside of Israel sometimes cannot get to flix. They are limiting access to the radius that encompasses the state of Israel.
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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2008, 01:25:46 AM »
May hashem bless Dan Ben Noah and Chaim Ben Pesach for their hard work on behalf of JTF and the jewish people.
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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2008, 01:33:10 AM »
The quality on overstream is excellent. Much better than on liveleak.

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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2008, 01:50:42 AM »
I think overstream limits the videos to 10 minutes. My latest video is over 14 minutes.

Also does overstream allow embedding videos? We want to embed our videos on a special opening page that Arutz 7 people will get to immediately.

liveleak allows longer videos and allows embedding. And liveleak has many viewers.
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2008, 05:40:26 AM »
By writing the subtitles in with windows movie maker, I would think that the captions will be part of the video itself..

so wherever the video is put, it will have captions.

Technically, they only need to be written once. 

BTW, it may be my imagination, but I think the subtitles on the videos I uploaded just improved overnight..

(these are the subtitles dan wrote with overstream, combined into the video)
You've seen this video before, but I think the subtitles have become clearer!
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2008, 06:23:15 AM »
overstream is fully compatible with everything..


overstream creates a subtitle file.  That file can be combined into the video.

There are many many ways of combining them.. I actually did it by recording the screen, which is a roundabout crazy way.. Because I don't have the subtitle file..  Dan, you have the file..
But doing it that way did show that it can be done by any of us, even without the file. (it just needs one upload somewhere).   

Either way. There is no need to rewrite them.
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2008, 10:43:01 PM »
I didn't realize that you can't change or edit on liveleak.

They also have a ridiculous rule for when you post a video on liveleak. You can only delete it after you get permission from the admins.

I don't know. I don't want Dan to feel that he is under pressure not to make a mistake because the mistake can't be corrected.

What do you suggest that we do?

I would have suggested flix, but I'm having problems accessing flix lately. Israelis do not have any problems, only people outside of Israel sometimes cannot get to flix. They are limiting access to the radius that encompasses the state of Israel.

Chaim,

I’ve been doing some experimenting, and I think the best way to do the subtitling is if we do it through Google Video.  It turns out that Google Video is very compatible with Overstream.  I can use any Google video as a base for a translation on Overstream.  And the subtitle file, which includes the time hacks and everything, can be saved.  I can then upload the subtitles to the Google video if I have access to the account.

To make sure that this could be done, I took a few of your Hebrew videos from ZooTube, uploaded them to Google on an account of my own, translated them on Overstream, and uploaded the subtitle files to Google.  Here is what the final product looks like.  By the way, you can turn the captions on and off by clicking on the CC button at the bottom of the videos:

Obama supporters are attacking us


No concessions to release captives


Here is the process that I propose:

1.  You start uploading your Hebrew videos to an account on Google Video.  You can speak as long as you like, because both Google and Overstream allow videos over 10 minutes long.  They also both allow embedding, by the way.
2.  I translate the video on Overstream.
3.  I get into the account, upload the subtitle file to the corresponding video, and get out.  This process literally takes all of 1 minute.  A little while later, the subtitles will automatically appear on the video.
4.  I post the link to the subtitled video on the forum like I’ve been doing.
5.  Other JTFers who have the know-how can take the subtitled video from Google and upload it onto Liveleak, ZooTube, Flix, etc.

Unfortunately, you can’t see how many viewers each video has received on Google.  (Overstream does show how many people have viewed the video by the way).  But the good news is that whatever is in the subtitles goes into the Google Video search engines.  For example, I searched Google Video for “Jews Against Obama” and the subtitled video on the Obama supporters attacking us was like the 11th video that came up.

You can consider this, and if this process sounds good to you, I’m willing to begin whenever you are ready.
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Re: To Dan Ben Noah: Our New System Of Making Hebrew Videos
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2008, 11:23:17 PM »
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5.  Other JTFers who have the know-how can take the subtitled video from Google and upload it onto Liveleak, ZooTube, Flix, etc.
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are you saying that the subtitle file can be downloaded by anybody?

where?

or are you saying that if you download the file from google video, e.g. with a website like keepvid, then it magically contains the subtitles?



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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2008, 11:48:41 PM »
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5.  Other JTFers who have the know-how can take the subtitled video from Google and upload it onto Liveleak, ZooTube, Flix, etc.
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are you saying that the subtitle file can be downloaded by anybody?

where?

or are you saying that if you download the file from google video, e.g. with a website like keepvid, then it magically contains the subtitles?




For that part, I had originally meant that the video could be downloaded through a website like keepvid.  I assumed the subtitles would go with it since they automatically appear on the video, but this might not be the case.  That being said, I could email the subtitle file to anyone if they have a way to attach it to the video on some other site.  Google Video is the only place I know of where Overstream subtitles can be uploaded easily.
Jeremiah 16:19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in time of distress, to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods, worthless idols that did them no good."

Zechariah 8:23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that G-d is with you.’”