The Nazi Alex Jones: More Proof Chaim Is Right About "Truthers"

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Here is more proof that Chaim is 100% correct right when he says that all of the conspiracist "truthers" making the rounds out there are ferocious Jew-haters and Holocaust-deniers. Look at this feature article on Alex Jones' online Auschwitz, penned by Prison Planet employee Paul Joseph Watson (ys"vz). (All emphases added by Chaimfan.)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/260107offthemap.htm

The "Wipe Israel Off The Map" Hoax
What Ahmadinejad really said and why this broken record is just another ad slogan for war

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, January 26, 2007

Barely a day goes by that one can avoid reading or hearing yet another Israeli, American or British warhawk regurgitate the broken record that Iran's President Ahmadinejad threatened to "wipe Israel off the map," framed in the ridiculous context that Israelis are being targeted for a second holocaust. This baseless rallying call for conflict holds about as much credibility as Dick Cheney's assertion that Saddam Hussein was planning to light up American skies with mushroom clouds.

Today it's the turn of would-be future British Prime Minister David Cameron, leader of the Conservative Party, who repeated the "wipe Israel off he map" fraud in a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, using it to qualify his refusal to rule out a military strike on Iran under a Tory government.

Did Ahmadinejad really threaten to "wipe Israel off the map" or is this phrase just another jingoistic brand slogan for selling the next war in the Middle East?

The devil is in the detail, wiping Israel off the map suggests a physical genocidal assault, a literal population relocation or elimination akin to what the Nazis did. According to numerous different translations, Ahmadinejad never used the word "map," instead his statement was in the context of time and applied to the Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem. Ahmadinejad was expressing his future hope that the Zionist regime in Israel would fall, not that Iran was going to physically annex the country and its population.

To claim Ahmadinejad has issued a rallying cry to ethnically cleanse Israel is akin to saying that Churchill wanted to murder all Germans when he stated his desire to crush the Nazis. This is about the demise of a corrupt occupying power, not the deaths of millions of innocent people.

The Guardian's Jonathan Steele cites four different translations, from professors to the BBC to the New York Times and even pro-Israel news outlets, in none of those translations is the word "map" used. The closest translation to what the Iranian President actually said is, "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time," or a narrow relative thereof. In no version is the word "map" used or a context of mass genocide or hostile military action even hinted at.

The acceptance of the word "map" seemingly originated with the New York Times, who later had to back away from this false translation. The BBC also wrongly used the word and, in comments to Steele, later accepted their mistake but refused to issue a retraction.

"The fact that he compared his desired option - the elimination of "the regime occupying Jerusalem" - with the fall of the Shah's regime in Iran makes it crystal clear that he is talking about regime change, not the end of Israel. As a schoolboy opponent of the Shah in the 1970's he surely did not favor Iran's removal from the page of time. He just wanted the Shah out," writes Steele.

"It's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote, writes Arash Norouzi, "they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office."

Professor Juan Cole concurs, arguing, "Now, some might say, "So he didn't say, 'wipe off the map,' he said 'erase from the page.' What's the difference? Anyway he's saying he wants to get rid of Israel. Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope -- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government. Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that 'Israel must be wiped off the map' with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time."

Let's consider for a moment that Ahmadinejad really does wish to initiate a nuclear war on Israel, is this feasible? It would be like Paris Hilton picking a fight with Mike Tyson. The CIA's own estimates put Iran five to ten years away from being able to produce one nuclear bomb even if they were in the planning stages now, which is highly unlikely given that international inspectors have found no evidence of such a program and CIA satellite imagery also shows no proof of nuclear arms. Contrast this to an Israeli arsenal of anything up to 200 launch ready nukes allied to the might of the U.S. which has nearly 6,000 active warheads not to mention so-called "mini-nukes."

While it can be reasonably argued that Iran is seeking a nuclear weapon at some point in the future, to then claim that this means Ahmadinejad wishes to enact a second holocaust is an unfathomable leap of logic. The real reason for any nation in that region trying to acquire a nuclear weapon is for self defense, because they are surrounded by other hostile powers that already have the bomb.

Returning to the "wipe Israel off the map hoax," loathe are we to forget another of the commercial jingles concocted for hoodwinking Americans into attacking a certain other Middle Eastern country - "he used weapons of mass destruction against his own people," referring of course to Saddam Hussein's alleged role in the Halabja massacre where Iraqi Kurds were gassed. In reality, as former CIA analyst Stephen Pelletiere has revealed, Halabja came as a result of a battlefield exchange between the Iranians and the Iraqis after the Kurds had sided with the Iranians and allowed them to enter the city. According to the DIA's own report at the time, the type of gas that killed the Kurds was not used by the Iraqis but was used by the Iranians. The incident was a tragedy of war, not a directed program of genocide at the behest of Saddam Hussein.

Whenever Bush administration officials and others used Halabja as a pretext for war, the mass media routinely failed to mention the DIA report, just as they have failed to provide any balance on the real meaning of Ahmadinejad's statement, despite the fact that it is completely distorted almost every day and used as a call to arms as well as a propagandistic ploy to convince western populations that dark skinned invaders are hell-bent on their wholesale destruction.

Are you conspiracy nuts still going to believe that an organization that calls Israel "a corrupt occupying power" and praises the current regime of Iran, as opposed to the shahist government, isn't a bit anti-Semitic? 

Chaimfan

[Lubab]

Are you next going to tell us that all vegetarians are evil because Hitler was a vegetarian?

You know the KKK is against Obama's presidency? Maybe we should drop that too. People who are against Obama must be Nazis, right?

Learn to separate ideas from the people who hold them. End of story.

Even evil people can get certain things right sometimes...that's part of what makes this world a world such a difficult place in which to find the truth.

I'm not saying 9-11 truthers are right. I'm just saying I have my doubts about the situation and what you're posting here is irrelevant to that issue.

[muman613]

I have heard that the KKK is supporting an Obama presidency...

muman613

[Lubab]

I have heard that the KKK is supporting an Obama presidency...

muman613

Well you get the idea...right?

P.S. You might be spouting a myth here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kkk.asp

[q_q_]

As far as alex jones is concerned.   I heard his show once or twice. He had anti-semitic listeners but he always responded, and has taken the rabbi antelman position, that although there are some people of jewish origin /judaic people, involved in the NWO, the biggest victims are jews..
this is the same thing that barry chamish has said too.

And alex jones gave an  example of the terrible regime in israel, the example of the sephardi children.. blasted with radiation, by the isareli govt. (allegedly treating ringworm).  And it was funded by -the american government-.  He was as disgusted by that as any normal person.

You are too liberal with your words.. alex jones an anti-semite, an anti-semite a nazi ... So alex jones wants to kill jews now? or wipe out israel?

That article was clear enough, but here is another one that mentions the arabic ahmedinejad used
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

What the article you posted there said very clearly,

was that ahmedinejad was expressing a hope for a regime chance (obviously ahmed means a palestinian state).

Alex jones wasn't sharing in that hope .  He was saying that ahmed didn't say he wanted to launch a nuke at israel.  That's a legitimate point.

Of course, we mustn't overlook that ahmed wants nukes, is developing them, and wants a palestinian state. So thinking ahead, one would think yes, he wants to wipe israel off the map.

Similar to the war on iraq..
I think it was RIGHT, to get rid of saddam, a dictator that wants nuclear weapons.

The war was started for false reasons though. In the sense that the main reason given to go to war, or even -the- reason -given- (intially at least), was  he can launch weapons in 45 seconds or something.  So he made out that it was an immediate threat. Very useful, but not true.

[SavetheWest]

I have heard that the KKK is supporting an Obama presidency...

muman613

Well you get the idea...right?

P.S. You might be spouting a myth here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kkk.asp

Snopes.com is a left wing, pro Obama website that left wing reporters use to refute that Obama is a Muslim which they prove with very shoddy evidence.

[Scriabin]

I wonder what Massuh thinks of this thread.

[Scriabin]

Are you next going to tell us that all vegetarians are evil because Hitler was a vegetarian?

But, Lubab...Vegetarians ARE evil.

Have you ever encountered such a progressive, liberal lot as the vegetarians?

If Hitler had eaten meat, perhaps he wouldn't have been such a filthy f-ck-ng animal.

[White Israelite]

I don't think Alex Jones is a Nazi, while I don't agree with Alex Jones stance on 9/11, he was at a anti-gun rally in Texas and yelling at the people saying "Nazis were for gun control" and "Adolf Hitler was for gun control"

You can see the video here if you don't believe me.



9/11 truthers are misinformed yes but I wouldn't call them all Nazis. What is Alex Jones position on Israel anyways?

By the way, the name you listed is Paul Joseph Watson, not Alex Jones.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

By the way, the name you listed is Paul Joseph Watson, not Alex Jones.

So in other words, if he has viciously anti-Semitic articles on his website, it's okay if he didn't personally write them? 

If Chaim posted on JTF an article written by Noam Chomsky, what would you think of him?

[Zoran]

Alex Jones is a good man with good intentions and, while some of his supporters might say bad things or have really bad opinions from time to time, it's not under his control what his supporters think. You cannot judge a leader based on their followers, I'm sure even Chaim has followers whose opinions you might not agree with or even hate.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

So official Prison Planet feature articles and statements are just the "random opinions" of his followers? 

Is this the JTF Forum or the Prison Planet forum? It's been damn hard to tell lately.

[Manch]

By the way, the name you listed is Paul Joseph Watson, not Alex Jones.

So in other words, if he has viciously anti-Semitic articles on his website, it's okay if he didn't personally write them? 

If Chaim posted on JTF an article written by Noam Chomsky, what would you think of him?

If Chaim posted Noam Chomsky article on JTF website I'd think that either Chaim took up smoking and drinking hard liqueur or Noam did Teshuva! 

[q_q_]

By the way, the name you listed is Paul Joseph Watson, not Alex Jones.

So in other words, if he has viciously anti-Semitic articles on his website, it's okay if he didn't personally write them? 

If Chaim posted on JTF an article written by Noam Chomsky, what would you think of him?

If Chaim posted Noam Chomsky article on JTF website I'd think that either Chaim took up smoking and drinking hard liqueur or Noam made a Tshuva! 

Tshuva is not an object that you make.

Teshuva-repentance
Is a thing that one does

[Manch]

I stand corrected! Thank you!

[MassuhDGoodName]

Hmmm...

Let's see now....

A horrendous crime is committed, a crime requiring the highest level possible of financing, planning, and preparation.

In addition, the world's most advanced and most powerful defense apparatus, seemingly impregnable, is ordered to "stand down", resulting in a nation utterly defenseless.

The FBI immediately confiscates all airport and airline records, confiscates all airliner "black boxes" which record all events in air.

The government orders all planes in the country grounded until further notice, stranding thousands of American travelers, yet uses several CIA owned airliners to fly the Bin Laden Family quickly out of the United States back to Saudi Arabia, to make sure that they are unable to be interrogated.

Twenty four hours after the attack, a "Patriot Act" is presented and the hysteria and fear generated by the attacks, combined with the still "unsolved" anthrax letters being mailed ONLY to Democratic Congressmen and Senators who opposed Bush policies, are exploited to rush the bill through to ratification without any legislators being able to even read it.

This Act was already in place, prepared for presentation by a Bush Justice appointee, and conveniently removes all Constitutional Rights and liberties from American citizens.

The government removes each and every inch of crime scene evidence and sells off what it can, guaranteeing that a proper crime scene investigation of remaining evidence is impossible.

The clamor for an immediate investigation into the attacks is ignored by Bush and Cheney who refuse to allow any investigation whatsoever of the facts and culprits leading up to the crimes.

Over one full year later, Bush and Cheney agree to be questioned by the House, both refusing to take an oath to tell the truth, both refusing to be questioned unless sitting next to each other.

This most brief outline of events above seems to me "Heaven Sent" if anyone was ever interested in stoking suspicions in the citizenry, and giving birth to a fringe element "conspiracy movement".

Truly such obfuscation of justice was the greatest thing gift ever presented to Alex Jones and others who had long before 9/11 been scratching out a meager living as "professional patriots" and "survival goods radio barkers".

Alex incorrectly believes that he is not a Jew-Hater, but then again so does Patrick J. Buchanan.

Now let's read the resume of a true Conservative Republican who served under President Ronald Reagan:

*Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan’s first term.  He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal.  He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University, and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He was awarded the Legion of Honor by French President Francois Mitterrand. He is the author of Supply-Side Revolution : An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington;  Alienation and the Soviet Economy and Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy, and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow’s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.

It would appear that such a distinguished track record is certainly not that of some "kook" or "conspiracy theorist".

Why would such a gentleman still be demanding answers about the 9/11 events?

It's just so puzzling to me why a distinguished Reaganite would do such things!

*source:  v-dare.com

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

This is utterly preposterous. In fifteen replies, not one person said "gee, you're right, maybe Prison Planet is not a friend of the Jews". Instead, I heard every kind of excuse as to why we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I guess everyone here would rather bathe in arsenic-laden water than open your eyes about these crude Holocaust-denying hacks.

And people wonder why so many Americans are falling for Barack Osama. Maybe it's the same reason why JTFers are falling for another false messiah equally as evil.  

I am disgusted.  

[MassuhDGoodName]

C.F.:  "And people wonder why so many Americans are falling for Barack Osama. Maybe it's the same reason why JTFers are falling for another false messiah equally as evil."

Why are you referring to Republican President Ronald Reagan like this?  The man he appointed to the position of Asst. Secretary of the Treasury is the one who is in agreement with the "truthers"; not Reagan himself!

Ronald Reagan was the not only the greatest Republican who ever lived, but he was also the greatest President who ever lived, and for you, C.F., to badmouth him and say he needs a bath in arsenic is simply uncalled for!

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Is that what the aluminum foil atop your head told you? 

[Lubab]

Is that what the aluminum foil atop your head told you? 

This the kind of comment that I would ban from the fourm if you want to make it a more comfortable place to be. It's not an argument. It's pure name calling, mockery and defamation and should have no place in a discussion between JTFers who are, at the end of the day, fighting for the same goals.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Umm, I'm not fighting for the goal of convincing people that Bush was in on 9/11.

[Lubab]

Umm, I'm not fighting for the goal of convincing people that Bush was in on 9/11.

Yes but we have common enemies: Islam, Self Hating Israeli Politicians etc.  Diverse people coming together for a common goal is what JTF is all about, or isn't it?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Take your own advice. Last time I checked, I hadn't made dozens of posts questioning whether Arabs committed 9/11 or questioning Chaim's new policy.

[AsheDina]

I have heard that the KKK is supporting an Obama presidency...

muman613

  Well, why shouldnt they? they HATE Jews, they will do ANYTHING- even side with muZlims who will end up chopping their heads off too, DUMB BELLS

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

What the 9-11 "truthers" (let's just call them what they really are, 9-11 liars) really want is another Shoah, both in Israel and against the so-called "fifth column" of American Jewry.