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Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« on: July 24, 2008, 09:38:13 PM »
As the immortal Nelzon Muntz said, "Ha-ha!"  ;D Nice to see this fossil of a putz of a homo get humiliated by the world's biggest gossip organization. This kapo Jewish Nazi, longtime stooge of Jorge Wahhabi Bush and every other "neocon" pig in the administration, who converted to the Croat branch of Catholicism and since has allied himself with every Muslim movement on the planet, has finally gotten some comeuppance!  O0 After rudely brushing off TMZ reporters on national television, this old whore finally came clean.

Thankfully, this fossilized, Viagra-addled dinosaur (77 years of pure human dreck) doesn't have long before he gets nice and toasty!  :)

http://www.tmz.com/2008/07/23/novak-all-things-considered-i-screwed-up/

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Novak: All Things Considered, I Screwed Up
Posted Jul 23rd 2008 12:50PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ just spoke with Robert Novak, and one thing is clear: National Public Radio can be hazardous to pedestrians, especially the one he mowed down in D.C. this morning.

Novak tells us he was listening to "Morning Edition" on NPR in his Corvette when suddenly, "Some guy came up and hit my car with his fist. I figured I had done something that had created road rage, but I didn't know what it was. Then a bicyclist blocked the road in front of me. I asked what the problem was. He said, 'You can't just hit people and run away!'"

Novak says the cops came, put him "briefly" in the back of the police car and asked about what he heard at the time of impact. Novak told them and us that he didn't hear or feel anything. They asked if he had been drinking or on a cellphone. He answered "no" to both.

Novak, who was citied for failing to yield, says he won't fight the ticket, adding, "I assume witnesses are telling the truth."

And we asked him about his comments back in 2001 -- that he hates jaywalkers and thought about running them over. He responded, "I've said a lot of things I shouldn't have said."

As for reports that he's an aggressive driver, he says, "I'm 77 years old. I'm not aggressive anymore."

And finally, driving a Vette? "I've been driving Corvettes since 1961." Ride on.

Also, according to the TMZ TV show, in 1994 he caused an accident that seriously injured someone, not far from where this one took place.


Hmmm... whatcha been eating there, Bobby boy?  ;D


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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2008, 09:51:16 PM »
Hasn't this issue of cursing Jews already been discussed a million times ad nauseum?   

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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2008, 09:57:35 PM »
He left the Jewish faith decades ago.

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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2008, 09:59:16 PM »
So?

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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2008, 10:01:11 PM »
He is a Catholic. Look it up. He is karet.

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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2008, 10:06:36 PM »
He is a Catholic. Look it up.

You already told me he left the Jewish faith.  I didn't question that or disagree.   I said "So?"

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So?

Is it permitted (and if it is, is it necessary?) to curse anyone that leaves Judaism just for leaving Judaism?   This is a rhetorical question because obviously you are not an expert on Jewish law, cf, but I am wondering this.   And I think we would both benefit from someone explaining an answer for us.    I think the 'rants against kapo pigs' gets a little excessive here....

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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2008, 10:07:48 PM »
I didn't curse him for leaving Judaism. I cursed him to dedicating his life to destroying Israel.

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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2008, 10:09:30 PM »
Once again I agree with KWRBT on this. I do not know what Halakah is on this issue but from my own understanding I would say that regardless of his status, one should not curse a Jew before other Jews who may come to think it is OK. This is the principle of "Placing a stumbling block before the blind". Even if it is OK for a non-Jew to do it, doing it before other Jews may cause them to sin. In that event you are responsible for the sins you led another to do...

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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2008, 10:11:27 PM »
one should not curse a Jew before other Jews who may come to think it is OK. This is the principle of "Placing a stumbling block before the blind".
But it is okay to curse traitors and rodefs. There is zero doubt about it. I don't understand--you are saying that Jews will sin by cursing rodefs if they follow my example?

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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2008, 10:18:23 PM »
If they are truely Rodefs then they should be cursed.

I dont know the facts behind your hatred of Novaks. Before I returned to the Right in politics I hated Novaks with a passion for his supposed leak of the "Plame" information. But as I moved more to the right over a period of 2 years {2004-2006} I hated him less and less.

You use the world "RODEF" which means "A pursuer". According to Halakah a Pursuer must be killed before he can kill anyone.

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A rodef (Hebrew רודף, lit. "pursuer"; pl. רודפים, rodefim), in traditional Jewish law, is one who is "pursuing" another to murder him or her. According to Jewish law, such a person must be killed by any bystander after being warned to stop and refusing. The source for this law is the Tractate Sanhedrin in the Babylonian Talmud, page 73a, which begins:
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And these are the ones whom one must save even with their lives [i.e., killing the wrongdoer]: one who pursues his fellow to kill him [rodef akhar khaveiro lehargo], and after a male or a bethrothed maiden [to rape them]; but one who pursues an animal, or desecrates the Sabbath, or commits idolatry are not saved with their lives.
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The allowance to kill the rodef does not apply, however, in a case where lesser means would prevent the innocent's murder.[1] Furthermore, according to the Rambam, killing a rodef who may have been stopped by lesser means constitutes murder, though the punishment for a murderer in this case is not dealt out by Beit din.[citation needed]

I dont know if Novaks qualifies as a Rodef. According to Jewish Halacha Novaks is not a Rodef. According to your understanding he is...

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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 10:21:00 PM »
He believes that the state of Israel should not exist, and supports all Muslim Nazi movements. Plus, legally he is a Gentile.

Also, why should you stop hating Novak because of his dirty, illegal outing of Valerie Plame Wilson? That was a very evil deed. It just goes to show you how that wicked administration deals with people who stand up to it.

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RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 10:34:18 PM »
He believes that the state of Israel should not exist, and supports all Muslim Nazi movements. Plus, legally he is a Gentile.

Also, why should you stop hating Novak because of his dirty, illegal outing of Valerie Plame Wilson? That was a very evil deed. It just goes to show you how that wicked administration deals with people who stand up to it.

CF you really have no idea what you are talking about.   He is not "legally a gentile."  If he was born a Jew, he's a Jew.  We don't recognize other "faiths" or identities for Jews.    If he believes the state of Israel should not exist, someone can't be classified a rodef or a criminal FOR A BELIEF OR A THOUGHT!   He's just a journalist, you're acting like he's Hitler.    I really know nothing about the guy before this incident, but this just seems way over the top.   And I think in general you are way too eager to curse people.   It's not a phrase we throw around lightly, and you're not even Jewish cf. 

But the main thing you should stop is making pronouncements in the name of Jewish law or Judaism.  You seem to think you are a non-Jewish posek or something!  not to mention one who hasn't studied Jewish law..... it's oxymoronic (if that's a word).

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Re: RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 11:01:36 PM »
you are a non-Jewish posek or something!  not to mention one who hasn't studied Jewish law..... it's oxymoronic (if that's a word).

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Re: RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2008, 11:18:04 PM »
one should not curse a Jew before other Jews who may come to think it is OK. This is the principle of "Placing a stumbling block before the blind".
But it is okay to curse traitors and rodefs. There is zero doubt about it. I don't understand--you are saying that Jews will sin by cursing rodefs if they follow my example?

Wouldn't it be easier just to say these people acted in an evil manner rather than use Jewish curses repeatedly? It kind of loses its meaning after the 50th Y"SV or so.

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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2008, 11:21:41 PM »
But he is evil.

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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2008, 11:22:44 PM »
But he is evil.

Why not just say that then?

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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2008, 11:24:47 PM »
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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2008, 12:02:53 AM »
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I hope I didn't upset you. I was just curious. :( I didn't see what you'd written because I went off to play a game and make some food.

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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2008, 12:21:55 AM »
As a side note, in a shuir I was listening to about last weeks Parasha of Pinchas the concept of Rodef was discussed. Pinchas, the man of Peace, was a Rodef. Pinchas was so upset when he saw the Jewish man and the midianite woman having sex in front of Moshe and the tent of meeting that he picked up a spear and pursued Zimri and Cozby into their tent.

Anyone who was standing around and saw what was happening could have got up and killed Pinchas because he was a "Rodef", a pursuer who was intent on murder. But nobody did.

Hashem was impressed with Pinchases zeal and awards him and his descendents the title of Kohen. This is the "ONE" exception to the rule of a Kohen having to be a descendent of Aaron because Pinchas was not a Kohen despite being a grandson of Aaron. When the priesthood was bequeathed to Aaron it was only for him and his sons, not the grandsons.

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Our sages, writing in the Talmudic tractate of Sanhedrin, maintain that if Zimri had turned on Pinchas and killed him, he (Zimri) would have been exempt from punishment. This statement seems to clash with another halachic principle:namely, that one may kill a person whom he sees in pursuit of another person; here, it is permissible, and even a mitzvah, to kill the  rodef  (pursuer) since one "should not idly stand by the blood of his neighbor." Nevertheless, if the rodef turns around and kills the one who is trying to kill him, he (the rodef) is deserving of death. The obvious reason for this ruling: one who is on the verge of killing a " rodef " is about to fulfill a mitzvah; thus, the " rodef " himself has no permission to kill the one pursuing him.
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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2008, 01:02:15 AM »
You may not have an answer for this but I'm just asking,

If Hashem rewards Pinchas for his deed, then would Hashem really have wanted any of the Jews to kill Pinchas as a rodef?   Wouldn't it not have been the right thing to do?   I mean, if we assume what Pinchas was doing was right, then why would we think another Jew could have killed him for it and also been correct?  Or is that proper thinking?

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Re: RE: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2008, 01:55:53 AM »
Hasn't this issue of cursing Jews already been discussed a million times ad nauseum?   

Why is cursing this anti-Jewish beast, this traitor and rodef should be a problem? The fact that he was born Jewish makes it even more poignant. I have a problem when CF curses Jews who, lets say are bad but not traiterous, or when CF makes a wholesale statement about most Jews in Israel. But in this case, CF is 100% on the mark on this pig.  O0
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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2008, 02:16:23 AM »
Well, there is this thing called Teshuva. I know a lot about it because some would say I strayed from the path in my younger years. It is sad that Novak is so self-hating that he has done this to himself. But the issue is just whether it justifies curses. As Rubystars pointed out this curse has been used too much. A curse should be reserved for the most evil or it loses its impact.

I did not hear this from anyone so I may be wrong. But since Hashem knows all of our thoughts and our writings and he listens to our prayers and requests, he is listening to your curses. If you keep on crying to him about how this and that is evil he may grow tired of your cursing and not listen to you any more. Sort of like the "Crying Wolf" phenomenon. It is wise to reserve curses for those who really wrong you personally.

With that said I think it is aweful that he turns his back on his heritage. Why I dont hate him about the Plame controversy... He didnt do anything wrong. According to the investigation he was not the source of the leak. When this was in the news I wrote to CNN asking them to fire him. Every day I fumed at the TV set and yelled at it because of Novak. But as I became more religious and understood more about our relationship with Hashem, I realized he didnt want me to be angry all the time. Hashem doesnt want me to go around hating people. This is not constructive energy, unless it is used to change the world for the better. As my EMMUNAH grew so did my hatred for Bush diminish . I did not vote for him, either time {Though I did vote for Reagan & HW Bush}. In retrospect I am glad that Gore did not win. Kerry would have been too lame {though I did vote for him}...

I will not judge a man before I know the facts. It is a sin to judge someone without knowing the facts. In Jewish law 2 witnesses are required in order for a fact to be established. This is one reason why so few were given the death penalty. One Capital punishment in Seven years would reflect on a bad Beit Din {House of Judgement, Court}.
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"A Sanhedrin that puts one person to death once in seven years is called destructive. Rabbi Eliezer ben Azariah says: Or even once in seventy years. Rabbi Tarfon and Rabbi Akiba say: Had we been the Sanhedrin, none would ever have been put to death." Mishnah Makkot, 1:10 (2nd Century, C.E.)

I severly oppose Novaks anti-Israel bias, but I have not personally heard it. If you want me to understand your position please provide a link which espouses this kind of bias.

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PS: Manch, you call him a rodef though we've been through this... What makes him a rodef {Pursuer} in your eyes?



 
« Last Edit: July 25, 2008, 02:34:25 AM by muman613 »
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2008, 02:23:33 AM »
Regarding rodef, Im a Rodef Shalom {like Pinchas}... I will pursue Obama Bin Laden and see his head on a pike!

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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2008, 02:33:36 AM »
Regarding rodef, Im a Rodef Shalom {like Pinchas}... I will pursue Obama Bin Laden and see his head on a pike!

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About five years ago on Pal Talk someone said they were going to lie about being a Muslim so they could go on Hajj, and then get close enough to the black stone and destroy it. I wish someone could do it, but they'd probably get killed afterward. Still, I wonder if Islam could survive that blow?

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Re: Kapo pig Robert Novak caught hitting pedestrian!
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2008, 05:47:01 AM »
May be I missed it but I didn't read any course in C.F's post. There are insults and ridicules of this man but not actual courses.

Moreover, if he indeed is a part of the government and believes in the destruction of Israel, then he isn't innocent,  he is influential and so what he advocates isn't merely a thought/belief but also an action. That would make him a traitor and possibly a Rodef.

P.S he is also a rodef due to the fact that he is a careless and criminally negligent driver who repeatedly rams pedestrians....
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