Unbelievable Self-Hatred: "Orthodox" Jews in Israel Use Muzzies as Shabbos Goyim

[Lisa]

He thinks he does, but he cant read correctly, that telling people that they should not go to myspace/ yourface (you know the other site) with their pictures and information, and then be suprised and angry that nazi's could see them is the same as supporting nazi's.

Actually, that's not how it happened at all. 

A group of people met in person one day for Vito Vaccaro's press conference announcing his candidacy for the Loyalist party.  Several JTF'ers were there, and they decided to have a group picture.  I made it very clear that I didn't want the pictures going on any other web site. 

Anyway, to make a long story short, Jasmina sent the pictures to Tina Greco, not know that Greco is a nazi.  The rest is history. 

[Shamgar]

OK ya'll. Don't make me lock this thread and......     

[Rubystars]

That is also a big problem,

For Jews it is, which is why we don't anthropomorphize G-d, or divide Him up to parts.  But having grown up belonging to an Orthodox Synagogue, I have yet to hear of any rabbi saying what other religious beliefs are or not idolatry.  From my experience, rabbis don't focus on that kind of thing.

 I have heard differently, both in books (including Rav Kahane ZTL HYD) and in lectures (like Rav Mizachi Shlita) and in shul. It is completly politically correct to say something like- ooh for Jews its idolatry and for non-Jews it is allowed (like I read in the past by ppl like Dr. Dan)- or maybe its just a Persian/ Askenazi/galut mentality that you guys (and girls) have. Maybe its just the Bukharians and Sefaradim who speak in the non-politically correct/ non-polite way, i dont know.
  You are right that Rabbis do not focus on these things, BUT at the same time officially and religiously Jews should not promote it, nor say its okay. I agree that at the wrong times not to bring it up, but still. For example Avraham Avinu Alav Hashalom, throughtout his life would speak to people telling them tha ttheir beliefs are wrong, that they should recognize the 1 and only, indivisible, true G-d, and was even thrown into a burning furnice for this. Do you think he would ever say- ooh for me it is wrong to worship fire, or worship the sun, etc. but for you (for example the king) it is okay?

Tzvi,

I am completely with you and would be in agreement except for the fact that right here, right now, we are in a political battle. We dont want to offend people who are in positions to help us achieve our goal, which is to see Obama defeated this November.

Other people's religious beliefs are their own and I'm not offended by them. I support Israel because I think the Jews have both a Divine and secular right to it. That's their homeland and they should be able to live there among their own people without enemies or people who cause trouble for them.

In order to achieve this we may be required to not tell-it-like-it-is, if you know what I mean. I believe that in the end the light of the Jewish nation will shine bright again, and attract the admiration of the other nations. By always going the route of rebuke and harsh justice we may not be able to make it to the goal. As my highschool buddy wrote in my yearbook, "Moderation in all things.... Except for vodka! " .

If you believe something to be true then I don't mind if you say so. Tzvi and you are telling how you believe and I don't think anyone should really take offense to that. You guys didn't make it up, it came down from earlier rabbis who believed this, yes? Now I agree with you on one point, you shouldn't go up to random Christians and shout "idolater" at them, and I know you're too nice of a person to do that.   Plus it might not be the best idea to make that your whole focus if you want to draw Christian support. However if someone asks you how you believe you shouldn't dodge around it, just say so. We're all adults here and I'm sure the vast majority of Christians who support Israel and the Jewish people would continue to do so. We all know there are major gaps between the religions and that's just one of them. It's not a big deal to me. I love you guys anyway and we have so much in common as far as who our enemies are and what we want the world to look like that differences like that don't matter much to me.  

[muman613]

That is also a big problem,

For Jews it is, which is why we don't anthropomorphize G-d, or divide Him up to parts.  But having grown up belonging to an Orthodox Synagogue, I have yet to hear of any rabbi saying what other religious beliefs are or not idolatry.  From my experience, rabbis don't focus on that kind of thing.

 I have heard differently, both in books (including Rav Kahane ZTL HYD) and in lectures (like Rav Mizachi Shlita) and in shul. It is completly politically correct to say something like- ooh for Jews its idolatry and for non-Jews it is allowed (like I read in the past by ppl like Dr. Dan)- or maybe its just a Persian/ Askenazi/galut mentality that you guys (and girls) have. Maybe its just the Bukharians and Sefaradim who speak in the non-politically correct/ non-polite way, i dont know.
  You are right that Rabbis do not focus on these things, BUT at the same time officially and religiously Jews should not promote it, nor say its okay. I agree that at the wrong times not to bring it up, but still. For example Avraham Avinu Alav Hashalom, throughtout his life would speak to people telling them tha ttheir beliefs are wrong, that they should recognize the 1 and only, indivisible, true G-d, and was even thrown into a burning furnice for this. Do you think he would ever say- ooh for me it is wrong to worship fire, or worship the sun, etc. but for you (for example the king) it is okay?

Tzvi,

I am completely with you and would be in agreement except for the fact that right here, right now, we are in a political battle. We dont want to offend people who are in positions to help us achieve our goal, which is to see Obama defeated this November.

Other people's religious beliefs are their own and I'm not offended by them. I support Israel because I think the Jews have both a Divine and secular right to it. That's their homeland and they should be able to live there among their own people without enemies or people who cause trouble for them.

In order to achieve this we may be required to not tell-it-like-it-is, if you know what I mean. I believe that in the end the light of the Jewish nation will shine bright again, and attract the admiration of the other nations. By always going the route of rebuke and harsh justice we may not be able to make it to the goal. As my highschool buddy wrote in my yearbook, "Moderation in all things.... Except for vodka! " .

If you believe something to be true then I don't mind if you say so. Tzvi and you are telling how you believe and I don't think anyone should really take offense to that. You guys didn't make it up, it came down from earlier rabbis who believed this, yes? Now I agree with you on one point, you shouldn't go up to random Christians and shout "idolater" at them, and I know you're too nice of a person to do that.  Plus it might not be the best idea to make that your whole focus if you want to draw Christian support. However if someone asks you how you believe you shouldn't dodge around it, just say so. We're all adults here and I'm sure the vast majority of Christians who support Israel and the Jewish people would continue to do so. We all know there are major gaps between the religions and that's just one of them. It's not a big deal to me. I love you guys anyway and we have so much in common as far as who our enemies are and what we want the world to look like that differences like that don't matter much to me.  

Thank you very much Ruby, your understanding is inspiring.

muman613

[Rubystars]

Thank you very much Ruby, your understanding is inspiring.

You're welcome!

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

He thinks he does, but he cant read correctly, that telling people that they should not go to myspace/ yourface (you know the other site) with their pictures and information, and then be suprised and angry that nazi's could see them is the same as supporting nazi's.

Once again, the boy who defends the Satmar and Jews who hire Muslim Nazis to take care of their kids--the boy who lost his wings--lies. Like Lisa said, Tzvi's heroine Tina Greco got those pics because Jasmina and the retard Yacov trusted her and thought she was a real JTFer. Like the porn-posting wetback Jesus Rivera, Jr. (who Tzvi is probably a fan of as well), Tzvi is hellbent on defending that Whorefront harpie.

For the record this is what esteemed JTF member Tzvi Ben Roshel says about Tina Greco and the people she tried to have murdered over at the kennel club:

http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,3187.msg19170.html#msg19170

One thing I do not understand with all of these people who complained that their pics were posted or address was posted and felt their lives were/are in danger, why did they post the pictures online to begin with? And what is the difference if they are on the Kahane forum or the JTF forum or wherever, or if they are on myspace/yourface and wherever grinko or whoever else got the information. Same goes for Chaim's old address. Yes tino is a nazi, etc. but why the big commotion I do not understand if expecialy that address appeared on all the JTF T.V. shows, where anyone in Queens with a telivision could have viewed it?

 * sorry correction- it was the P.O. Box which is different, but still the people with the pictures, those who post their pics online should know that they could be seen by anyone including nazis, soo get out of all the nonsense on myspace/yourface.

Care to talk your way out of this one, wingless one?  

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

He thinks he does, but he cant read correctly, that telling people that they should not go to myspace/ yourface (you know the other site) with their pictures and information, and then be suprised and angry that nazi's could see them is the same as supporting nazi's.

Once again, the boy who defends the Satmar and Jews who hire Muslim Nazis to take care of their kids--the boy who lost his wings--lies. Like Lisa said, Tzvi's heroine Tina Greco got those pics because Jasmina and the retard Yacov trusted her and thought she was a real JTFer. Like the porn-posting wetback Jesus Rivera, Jr. (who Tzvi is probably a fan of as well), Tzvi is hellbent on defending that Whorefront harpie.

For the record this is what esteemed JTF member Tzvi Ben Roshel says about Tina Greco and the people she tried to have murdered over at the kennel club:

http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,3187.msg19170.html#msg19170

One thing I do not understand with all of these people who complained that their pics were posted or address was posted and felt their lives were/are in danger, why did they post the pictures online to begin with? And what is the difference if they are on the Kahane forum or the JTF forum or wherever, or if they are on myspace/yourface and wherever grinko or whoever else got the information. Same goes for Chaim's old address. Yes tino is a nazi, etc. but why the big commotion I do not understand if expecialy that address appeared on all the JTF T.V. shows, where anyone in Queens with a telivision could have viewed it?

 * sorry correction- it was the P.O. Box which is different, but still the people with the pictures, those who post their pics online should know that they could be seen by anyone including nazis, soo get out of all the nonsense on myspace/yourface.

Care to talk your way out of this one, wingless one?  

 Soo? What is wrong in telling people not to post their pics on myspace and online, also my apoligies to Lisa, I didn't know that was exactly how it happened, and I didn't really get involved in that episode, but I do remember someone else complaining a lot that his pic was takin from myspace and that nazis could see it, my point is/was that a Jew should not post his pictures on that or other sites if he or she doesn't want or is afraid that nazi's will see the pictures.
 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

also my apoligies to Lisa, I didn't know that was exactly how it happened, and I didn't really get involved in that episode

Ri-ight.  And that's also why you think it was no big deal for her to post Chaim's personal information (since it supposedly appeared on one of his old shows).

BTW I seem to recall that you owe Lisa 20 smackeroos.

[Ulli]

C.F. please stop this.

Tzvi is no Rivera fan. Rivera works together with Greco and had supplied her with informations about Jews, who are active on JTF.

Tzvi would never inform about a fellow Jew and he would never support this behaviour.

Let's end this discussion here. We have had enough trouble in the past.  

[Shamgar]

OK I have locked the thread!!! Don't make me have to ban anyone.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Pheasant, Tzvi's behavior is completely out of line--calling people idolaters, "Mexicans", etc--not to mention his actual positions, such as defending the Satmar and saying that what Tina Greco did was no big deal.

He should have been banned after his first five posts.

[Shamgar]

Oh ohhh. My lock thread button has failed. My super powers have failed. I can no longer exert far reaching and vast influence over others from afar.... I am mere mortal.  What we need here is an all powerful Jewish Ninja. I think a well-place throwing Star of David would be great right about now.

[Lisa]

I don't care about the money, C.F., so please let it go.  

Also, Greco posted DownwithIslam's picture on a nazi website referring to him as a k--e.  I have no idea how she got a hold of it.  

Greco also posted Rubystars' name, address and phone number on the same nazi site.  And as far as I know, Rubystars never put up pictures of herself on this forum.  

Greco then did the same thing with Lubab and Yacov.  Now as C.F. said, Yacov trusted her and had no idea of what she was when he gave her the address of his Geocities webpage.  Now Lubab has never posted pictures of himself anywhere.  So how she got his info., I don't know.  

And I happen to agree with Tzvi about not putting up your picture online.  I wouldn't do it here, or on my blogs at all.  I don't even blog using my real name.  I know some non-Jews who keep a very open profile, yet they are armed to the teeth.