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Offline JohnWilliams

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$50,000 Challenge
« on: September 03, 2008, 06:47:37 PM »
Forgive me for being new as I am sure this has already been covered in this forum, so admin please remove this thread if that's the case. http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

"Sina's Challenge

I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.

If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim,  disprove my charges against Muhammad logically.  Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:
a narcissist     a misogynist    a rapist
a pedophile    a lecher    a  torturer
a mass murderer    a cult leader    an assassin
a terrorist    a mad man    a looter

I have debated with many Muslims....."



Site with link to each category above and much more:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
« Last Edit: September 05, 2008, 08:10:31 AM by JohnWilliams »
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Offline Kamira

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Re: $50,000 Challenge
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2008, 03:44:38 PM »
11.5M Visitors!  Very impressive!!

I think I'll enjoy watching your challenge even though I'm unfortunately ineligible for the challenge.  I'd fail miserably.  :::D

Site bookmarked.  Thanks!

Offline The One and Only Mo

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Re: $50,000 Challenge
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 03:54:16 PM »
The fact that I can't understand half the words you used already shows me I won't be able to disprove anything you say :D   Since nobody will be winning that $, you think you can toss some over to JTF? O0   Of course I would deduct a finders fee of 50% for constructing this deal. ;D I'll have my accountant wire the money to my Swiss Bank account.

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Re: $50,000 Challenge
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 06:14:59 PM »
Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I am not Sina.
That website is composed of X-Muslims, for the most part atheists. Not a surprising first step in overcoming Islam.
Here is their main site: http://www.faithfreedom.org/

PS if you go to the link in that challenge in the original thread post, there is a link to each one of those accusations, and how it is vetted in the light of the Quran and the Hadith themselves. Pretty impossible to argue against a book that one believes in, that demonstrates that Mohammed was all of those things.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2008, 06:17:07 PM by JohnWilliams »
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Offline momofsixbabes

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Re: $50,000 Challenge
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2008, 02:06:47 PM »
Can you change the challenge to Islamic websites. I really could use the fifty thousand as it could be easily earned with all of the lies they post. :laugh:

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Re: $50,000 Challenge
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2008, 03:24:23 PM »
Can you change the challenge to Islamic websites. I really could use the fifty thousand as it could be easily earned with all of the lies they post. :laugh:

Me too  :)

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Re: $50,000 Challenge
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 03:42:18 PM »
up the ante. PLEASE! I know a brother from Seattle who converted from Christianity to Islam. He says its peaceful and tolerant. So? Hows about proving it and getting 50g! I know I'd line up if I were a Muslim too!

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Re: $50,000 Challenge
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2009, 11:43:34 PM »
I'm new too, but, sorry, for the sake of logic - which I'm sure all of us will admit is a good thing:

Forgive me for being new as I am sure this has already been covered in this forum, so admin please remove this thread if that's the case. http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

"Sina's Challenge

I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.

If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim,  disprove my charges against Muhammad logically.  Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:
a narcissist     a misogynist    a rapist
a pedophile    a lecher    a  torturer
a mass murderer    a cult leader    an assassin
a terrorist    a mad man    a looter

I have debated with many Muslims....."



Site with link to each category above and much more:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

One can't disprove any of this 'logically', in an inductive mode (see the rules in the post), no matter how many Muslims one debates with, since it's a posit without any continuation.

The poster mentions that it can't be defeated through "Argumentum ad baculum [or] argumentum ad misericordiam" (both fallacies indeed) but, in fact, it can't be defended or confirmed through any argumentation theory model (where both 'fallacies' come from).

If you're making an inductive argument where "Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam" are out, then such a question doesn't really have a leg to stand on since it doesn't even make an "ARGUMENTUM;" all it does is assert things:

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:
a narcissist     a misogynist    a rapist
a pedophile    a lecher    a  torturer
a mass murderer    a cult leader    an assassin
a terrorist    a mad man    a looter

I have debated with many Muslims....."

One could structure an argument in the mould of this question but it would be circular, making assertions without proof - a logical fallacy.

So In terms of logic, without politics, your question is unfair, you are asking people to disprove, not a logical structure, but an assumption which cannot be disproved or proved in your terms and your offer of $50,000 is meaningless.

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Re: $50,000 Challenge
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2009, 12:10:10 AM »
Forgive me for being new as I am sure this has already been covered in this forum, so admin please remove this thread if that's the case. http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

"Sina's Challenge

I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.

If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim,  disprove my charges against Muhammad logically.  Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:
a narcissist     a misogynist    a rapist
a pedophile    a lecher    a  torturer
a mass murderer    a cult leader    an assassin
a terrorist    a mad man    a looter

I have debated with many Muslims....."



Site with link to each category above and much more:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

I read some of his stuff.. one nuisance is that he writes something that is say 1 page pages.. They respond with a page, he responds with 5 pages. Every time they come up with something, he comes up with a response that is many times longer, and he basically bores them to death.   Though he does win the argument  I read an argument about magic that he had with "the amazing randi", randi just gave up! Ali Sina's style is a bit boring but he makes his case.