Is this true? PALIN & JEWS FOR JESUS HEAD DEFENDS SPEECH

[Ulli]

To me 'egalitarian' means no religion do as you please. I think they have a 'egalitarian' place abou 3kms from my house :laugh:egalitarian= communist

Yes this seems to be very possible. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

As a member of an evangelical church, it is not entirely unimaginable that her pastor would be friends with a member of an evangelical group like J4J. Evangelicals believe Jesus is the Messiah of all of humanity. I don't think it is fair to say that she is connected with J4J as a result.

[Ulli]

As a member of an evangelical church, it is not entirely unimaginable that her pastor would be friends with a member of an evangelical group like J4J. Evangelicals believe Jesus is the Messiah of all of humanity. I don't think it is fair to say that she is connected with J4J as a result.

I think you are right. Have you read the issues Mord & dvir posted?

[Zelhar]

Because, among other things, a bolschewist leftist Jewish professor in Germany with the name Micha Brumlik, who has founded the "egalitarian Minian" in Frankfurt at the Main wrote that Chabad is a sect and that he has found evidence for the "fact" that the members of Chabad would worship the Rebbe as a G-d. He is quoting Rabbi Schacht and Rabbi Ovadia Josef to proof his accusations.

But I am really curious to know what Rabbi Schacht would have answered and what Rabbi Ovadia Josef would answer if we would ask the two about Micha's "egalitarian Minian". 

Here is the wicked article of Brumlik on Hagalil.com:
http://www.hagalil.com/judentum/fundamentalismus/2007-01.htm

Once, when he was asked which religion is closest to Judaism, Rabbi Schach answered "Chabad".

[Ulli]

Once, when he was asked which religion is closest to Judaism, Rabbi Schach answered "Chabad".

Yes. But the main point of Brumlik is to proof, that Chabad Lubawitch is worshipping Rabbi Schneerson as God. He says that Lubawitsch is comparable with Christianity in it's first decades.

He accuses Lubawitch too of supporting Messianic Jews.

I think he is very crooked, if he who founded the egalitarian Minian in Frankfurt, plays now the rescuer of orthodox Judaism.

Imo Lubawitch is too successfull for him and now he begins to smear them.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Rabbi Shach, like the Satmar rebbe (Teitelbaum), is a cult leader who has created a theological sect of Judaism. He smear the Lubavitch because they unconditionally love all of their Jewish brothers and sisters and because he is jealous of the movement. The vast majority of Jews will never buy into his cultic thinking, so he attacks and curses them.

PS: As far as I know the Satmar worship Teitelbaum as Maschiach too. How come that is never criticized?

[Ulli]

Rabbi Shach, like the Satmar rebbe (Teitelbaum), is a cult leader who has created a theological sect of Judaism. He smear the Lubavitch because they unconditionally love all of their Jewish brothers and sisters and because he is jealous of the movement. The vast majority of Jews will never buy into his cultic thinking, so he attacks and curses them.

PS: As far as I know the Satmar worship Teitelbaum as Maschiach too. How come that is never criticized?

My point was not to examine the teachings of Jewish groups, but to show how leftists (Micha Brumlik) use and pick comments from idiological totally different positions in order to cause hostility in order to reach their own goals.

I would like to ask Brumlik what his point of view on Rabbi Schach or Rabbi Ovadia Josef is.

Imo Brumlik tries to tie Judaism to Socialism. 

[Zelhar]

Rabbi Shach, like the Satmar rebbe (Teitelbaum), is a cult leader who has created a theological sect of Judaism. He smear the Lubavitch because they unconditionally love all of their Jewish brothers and sisters and because he is jealous of the movement. The vast majority of Jews will never buy into his cultic thinking, so he attacks and curses them.

PS: As far as I know the Satmar worship Teitelbaum as Maschiach too. How come that is never criticized?

So sorry but you are not correct. If you compare rabbi Schach and the Litvaks to the Chassidim, they are the least sect-like.

There is a philosophical and theological difference between Litvaks and Chassidim, and even more so when it comes to Leubavitch because they keep revering a deceased man, some refuse even to accept the fact of his death.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

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1. David Brickner is a Nazi Jew-hating piece of filth who did say that Jews are being murdered by Muslim terrorists because they do not believe in Jesus. I heard his Nazi "sermon" and it definitely was the type of traditional theological anti-Semitism that led to 2000 years of pogroms, inquisitions, and blood libels until the climax 65 years ago when over 6 million innocent Jewish men, women and children were burned and gassed in the holocaust.

I don't even know if Brickner was born a Jew. I read somewhere that he was never Jewish. But whether he was or not, right now Brickner is a theological Nazi who hates all Jews who are not willing to convert. His "Jews for Jesus" cult uses deliberate lies, Biblical mistranslations and other deceptions to diabolically lure Jews away from their faith.

Brickner's denials now are pure lies. He is an evil con artist who deserves the ultimate punishment in this world and the next.

2. Pastor Larry Kroon is another Jew-hater who said that he does not believe that today's Israel is connected to the Israel of the Bible. Kroon is part of the Jew-hating "replacement theology" movement that believes that the Jews are no longer the Chosen People because they rejected Jesus.

Kroon deserves the same fate as his Nazi friend Brickner.

3. Sarah Palin did attend the Brickner sermon but later said that she disagrees with what was said. Palin was actually raised in a different church, the Pentacostal church. Her actions so far seem to indicate that she does not share the Kroon-Brickner theological hostility to Jews: she told the Israeli Consul General that Alaskans "love Israel" and that she wants to visit; she had an Israeli flag hanging in her governor's office; she had a good relationship with Chabad and signed a pro-Israel resolution; she recently met with AIPAC and called for deepening the friendship between America and Israel; and tonight in an interview with Charles Gibson of ABC News she said that Israel is America's friend and that we cannot "second guess" the Israelis if they decide to militarily destroy Iran's nuclear bomb program - she repeatedly said in the interview that she in effect would support Israel if they decided to militarily strike Iran.

I hope my instinct is correct here, but I get the impression that Sarah Palin believes that we must back Israel because G-d commands us to. If that is true, and if she brings that belief into the White House - that would certainly be good for Israel and the Jewish people.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Chaim, thanks for the insight on David Brickner and Larry Kroon. I did not know who these individuals were, really, and I did not know that they were anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist. I just figured they were of the sort that wants all of humanity to believe in Jesus. You raise a very good point here: a huge percentage of evangelical Christianity--about half--is, tragically, of the abominable "replacement theology" bent which, as you point out, teaches that Jews are no longer chosen and blessed, and in practice often supports every imaginable evil deed that can possibly fall on Jewry.

That is not at all what the N.T. actually teaches--Paul teaches that both Christians and Jews are the Chosen People (he uses the metaphor of wild branches [Christians] being grafted onto an olive tree [Jews]). I know that as a Jew, you do not have personal use for Christian theology, and I don't mean to missionize, but while on this matter this subject was worth clarifying. Yimach schmo to Brickner and Kroon.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

So sorry but you are not correct. If you compare rabbi Schach and the Litvaks to the Chassidim, they are the least sect-like.

There is a philosophical and theological difference between Litvaks and Chassidim, and even more so when it comes to Leubavitch because they keep revering a deceased man, some refuse even to accept the fact of his death.

You're probably right, but Rabbi Schach does have one key thing in common with the Satmar: he is staunchly anti-Zionist and condemns and insults Jews who disagree with his radical interpretations of Torah, especially the Lubavitchim. Those are evil stances that should be condemned.

[Zelhar]

You're probably right, but Rabbi Schach does have one key thing in common with the Satmar: he is staunchly anti-Zionist and condemns and insults Jews who disagree with his radical interpretations of Torah, especially the Lubavitchim. Those are evil stances that should be condemned.

C.F, Rabbi Schach has been dead the past 8 years or so. He was anti-zionist however unlike Rabbi Yosef he would never let his vote be the deciding vote on matters of national security. He was an honest but he was also confrontational. He came from a certain tradition (anti-zionist unfortunately) and he continued it, while Rabbi Yosef who claim that he came to restore the former glory of Sefaradi Jewery has actually mimics the Litvaks Charedim, only that he is much more pragmatic in his politics,  and his public is much larger.