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Russia's Chief Rabbi: Living in Israel weakens faith
zachor_ve_kavod:
--- Quote from: MarZutra on October 02, 2008, 09:56:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: zachor_ve_kavod on October 02, 2008, 09:43:52 PM ---Regardless of whether we agree with him, (which I do not), is it right for Jews to show disrespect to a Rabbi? I don't think I can do that
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Rabbi is a teacher and you've probably had piss poor teaches in your time. Should one respect the Naturi Karta Rabbis standing next to Ahmedinajad?
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No but I don't this guy is like that
Cato:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 02, 2008, 04:53:33 PM ---isn't russia in the EU and so they can go anywhere?
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No. Though lots of Russian girls pass the physical and so have to dumb down their appearance to get in.
MarZutra:
The sad fact remains that if the Chabad used its influance to "Judaize" Israel by embracing Religious Zionism, this Rabbi's fraud would not be a contention. The sad fact is that these Heredim continue to be conflicting "sects" forming their own parties debating on non issues, keeping the so-called "Right Wing" divided with internal strife.
Individually, speaking to a Chabad Jew, they seem to be very supportive of Rabbi Kahane's views, but collectively they reject him and his views. Which is sad. If the totals of diaspora Chabad Jews moved to Israel and formed a block, setting the minor differences aside, the "Right Wing" would descimate the "Left" without any problem.
This is one of the main problems I see with, not only Chabad, but all of the Hassidim/Heredim. They are too influanced by their individual Cultural heritage under their founding Rabbi's but fail to unite under Judaism.
my two cents...
AsheDina:
--- Quote from: Chaim Ben Pesach on October 02, 2008, 05:07:42 PM ---The "Chief Rabbi" has always been a puppet of the Kremlin. All of Russia's "Chief Rabbis" have always done whatever the Kremlin bosses tell them to do. This individual is disgusting. He works for the KGB against his fellow Jews.
Fonzworth, we are again getting a lot of strange threads from you.
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Yep.. We sure ARE... any BAD News the FONZ can find about Jews and Israel -he posts- why do you do this Fonz? It is like you INTENTIONALLY do this on purpose. I dont know who you are- but Dude- I AM watching you now.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: MarZutra on October 03, 2008, 08:02:36 AM ---The sad fact remains that if the Chabad used its influance to "Judaize" Israel by embracing Religious Zionism, this Rabbi's fraud would not be a contention. The sad fact is that these Heredim continue to be conflicting "sects" forming their own parties debating on non issues, keeping the so-called "Right Wing" divided with internal strife.
Individually, speaking to a Chabad Jew, they seem to be very supportive of Rabbi Kahane's views, but collectively they reject him and his views. Which is sad. If the totals of diaspora Chabad Jews moved to Israel and formed a block, setting the minor differences aside, the "Right Wing" would descimate the "Left" without any problem.
This is one of the main problems I see with, not only Chabad, but all of the Hassidim/Heredim. They are too influanced by their individual Cultural heritage under their founding Rabbi's but fail to unite under Judaism.
my two cents...
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rabbi kahane's religious views are not very well known though.
he simply didn't air them much, he spoke largely to secular jews.
I don't think any rabbi i've spoken to agrees with his view that jewish weakness e.g. the mosque on the temple mount, is a Chillul Hashem.. This is crucial. Rabbi Kahane wanted to wipe chillul hashem out.. But he defined chillul hashem very generally, using the biblical definition in ezekiel 36(see speech to noachides).
The funny thing is I heard him speak to kids, and he defined chillul hashem as every other rabbi does. A public sin.
I guess jewish weakness is - though not chillul hashem - it is a negative thing, all would agree it's a negative thing. And one can be a Zealot and try to remove that negative thing. Even though one is not obligated to.
A great chabad rabbi I spoke to did say that not everything we do has to have a halachic basis. One can do a zealous act. And if G-d rewards us for it we know it's right. Like Chanukah.
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