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Russia's Chief Rabbi: Living in Israel weakens faith
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 03, 2008, 10:49:46 AM ---Rav Kahane wanted to wipe out chillul hashem..
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wipe out ? Source? What does this mean?
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on October 04, 2008, 08:53:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 03, 2008, 10:49:46 AM ---Rav Kahane wanted to wipe out chillul hashem..
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wipe out ? Source? What does this mean?
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rabbi kahane did write and speak about chillul hashem.. there may be something in "why be jewish" about it, saying as I said that jewish weakness is chillul hashem, and thus jewish strength is kiddush hashem.
I'm sure he wrote explicitly about wiping out chillul hashem, but it's obvious that is what he wanted to do.
Any rabbi would want to stop chillul hashem from occurring.. They just wouldn't define jewish weakness as chillul hashem. (though the bible does use that term, the exile is a chillul hashem, so it's a negative thing we live with for some time)
removing the mosque from the temple mount would be an example of ending a chillul hashem.
the state of israel is an example of jewish strength, thus rabbi kahane says, kiddush hashem..
I think it's in hte book "why be jewish", though it doesn't seem to be available online (anymore, anywhere)
spiritus_persona:
Why does any Jew want to go to Russia? Doesn't Russia still believe in "The Protocols"?
q_q_:
--- Quote from: spiritus_persona on October 04, 2008, 11:02:07 PM ---Why does any Jew want to go to Russia? Doesn't Russia still believe in "The Protocols"?
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I'm not entirely sure what their story is.
jews aren't going there. maybe some are but I haven't heard of it.
I have heard stories of many only recently discovering that they are jewish, and wanting to explore that.
maybe some just never got out. But then they'd have had to stay alive.
I know that with jews in germany, obviously the vast majourity staying in germany were caught. A small number stayed in germany during the holocaust and managed to survive. One used an egg to copy a stamp onto documents he forged to make it look like he was a regular german. The germans would stop people randomly frequently "legit" germans, and ask for documentation. They could stop anybody. Eventually he got caught..(a silly or wicked jew that was caught, saw him and said "oh they caught you too".) He was put on a truck to a concentration camp. He had smuggled some tools in his jacket pocket, and dirlled a hole in the truck and jumped out. There was a BBC documentary on some of these unbelievalbe jews. Another one survived stealing food from shops at night. I don't know how the situation compared in russia.
MarZutra:
Rabbi Kahane deals with Kiddush haShem vs. Chilul haSham in his magnus opus "Or Hara’ayon, The Jewish Idea"
Does Russia believe in the Protocol view of the Jews? I'd honestly say yes, as well as much of Europe, especially Eastern Europe. These Protocols pre-date the Communist Manifesto by about 15 years as stemming from a political satire work by Maurice Joly called "The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" from which the Protocols were plagiarized. Some say by the Jesuits to blame the Jews for Communism. Many different theories but all stem back to Joly's 1863-4 work which has nothing to do with Jews. Even "The Wandering Jew" by Eugene Sue places the Jew in favorable light in comparison to the thieving and scheming Jesuit.
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