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Is PETA anti-semitic?
« on: October 06, 2008, 04:41:38 PM »
Shalom,

I just found the following article which makes some very disturbing claims about PETA. In general I dont think much of PETA and think they are kooks. But it seems they are harassing rabbis with anti-semitic hate emails in an attempt to stop the Kapparot service performed on Yom Kippur.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127888
(IsraelNN.com) The battle lines are being drawn between The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) organization and the National Committee for Furtherance of Jewish Education (NCFJE) with the advent of the season of Kapparot, the ancient Jewish rite of slaughtering chickens to atone for one's sins before the holiday of Yom Kippur.

PETA zeroed in for the second year in a row on NCFJE's annual Kapparot project. The organization raises funds for its outreach activities by selling the chickens used for the ritual. 

In an exclusive interview with Israel National News, NCFJE Chairman of the Board Rabbi Shea Hecht said he believes PETA is really aiming at the Jewish People, however, and not simply the NCFJE. "Jews all over the world are keeping this tradition," he said. "It's not New York they're concerned with. They are really targeting Jews in Tel Aviv, and Jerusalem, and everywhere else in the world. That's what I believe."

The chickens are slaughtered after they are gently lifted over one's head in a circle while saying a prayer that notes it is the chicken that goes to its death, as opposed to the person for whom it acts symbolically as a proxy to carry one's sins away.

They are later donated to poor families throughout the area, Rabbi Hecht said. "More than a thousand chickens are donated to local families in neighborhoods here in Brooklyn alone," he said. Thousands more are donated to organizations in the metro New York area.

PETA, however, objects to the project and has made great efforts to put a stop to the practice. Last summer the organization complained to state and city agencies that NCFJE was guilty of cruelty to the birds, as well as a variety of health and safety violations.

No Independent Support for PETA's Claims

According to Rabbi Luzer Weiss, director of the New York State Department of Agriculture's Kosher Law Enforcement division, every Kapparot center is mandated to have a rabbi on site from the time the chickens arrive through the time of slaughter, in order to provide proper supervision. The rabbi is expected to ensure that the chickens are provided with food, water and appropriate shelter.

Last year, special inspectors made the rounds to ensure that the laws were enforced. "It went very well," Rabbi Weiss said. He added that he received no reports of dumping any chickens, including at the NCFJE sites.

New Year, New Tactics in Battle for the Birds

PETA claimed in a formal complaint to the state, however, that NCFJE dumped thousands of dead chickens in garbage dumpsters last year rather than giving them to poor families. In a letter to the division of Kosher Law Enforcement, PETA called on the state to investigate Rabbi Hecht and NCFJE for possible consumer fraud in connection with the organization's Kapparot Center in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn.

PETA charged the organization with a triple sin: lying to consumers about donating the chickens to poor families, violating Jewish law by wasting food (ba'al tashkes) and violating civic law by creating a burden for city sanitation workers.

The animal rights group said that on September 20, 2007, NCFJE threw the carcasses of thousands of chickens into hundreds of trash bags, which were then disposed of the next day by Greg's Express trash collection service. "These are chickens that consumers expected to be processed for meat that would be distributed as tzedakah, or charity," read the letter by PETA.

PETA's Video: Sins of Omission?

Rabbi Hecht bluntly denied PETA's claims that NCFJE wantonly wasted chickens, and noted that PETA's "investigative methods were not so kosher themselves." The video footage shot by the animal rights group that allegedly showed the violations, he said, was itself misleading.

Greg, the owner of Greg's Express, also said that the charge was unfair, and inaccurate, stressing that no one could possibly have any way of knowing what was in the bags or containers. "To my knowledge, the waste did not contain 'thousands of chickens,'" he said.

Rabbi Hecht also noted that PETA had instigated a major email and fax campaign by thousands of its supporters that jammed the "in box" and phone lines in the office. "We also received one of the most vicious, anti-Semitic messages I have ever seen," he said.

That letter, also apparently from a PETA supporter, had been faxed after the sender was unable to get it past the email spam checker on September 24, 2008. 

Handwritten at the top of the printed page was the following: "I guess you are 'blocking' all e-mails from PETA. Go ahead and 'Hide' like the little '[expletive deleted]' you are. Go molest your sisters.

The letter, addressed to a former member of the Crown Heights kosher certifying agency and faxed to NCFJE, continued:

LISTEN UP [expletive deleted]. I'M "GERMAN", AND I WOULD LOVE TO EXECUTE EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU… MAYBE WAVE YOU OVER GERMANS' HEADS IN APPRECIATION OF THE HOLOCAUST. HOW DOES THAT SOUND? STOP DISGRACING THE JEWISH COMMUNITY BY INHUMANE TREATMENT OF CHICKENS. "KOSHER" MEANS "KOSHER"… YOUR PRACTICES ARE A DISGRACE AND I HOPE YOU, RABBI LEVERTOV, RABBI YOSSI BROOK, & LET'S NOT FORGET, RABBI ZALMAN OSDOBA (rabbis in the community –ed.), ALL ROT IN HELL. HAVE A [expletive deleted] LIFE. LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO E-MAIL YOU AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE THAT.

The cruelty at your kapporos center, year after year, is a disgrace. Please make the compassionate decision to use money instead of live chickens at the NCFJE kapporos.


The NYPD Hate Crimes Unit has opened an investigation into the correspondence.

'Sins of Commission'

Meanwhile, apparently PETA is also not quite straightforward about its own record of dealing with animal rights. An opposition website called "PETA Kills Animals," notes that the organization euthanized more than 90 percent of the adoptable animals in its care in Virginia in 2007 "rather than take the trouble to feed, shelter and place them in loving homes," noted Rabbi Hecht.

"Clearly, it hopes to switch the spotlight away from the trouble in its own backyard by attempting to instead create trouble where none exists," Rabbi Hecht commented.

'PETA Aiming at World Jewry'

Rabbi Hecht said that PETA members told him that it was because his organization was the most easily identifiable group carrying out Kapparot that it became a target.

"For this purpose, as a Lubavitcher Chossid, as chairman of the board at NCFJE, I suppose I represent world Jewry to these people," he said. "We will not be threatened."

As for whether the NCFJE will continue its project, which it has carried out in various Brooklyn neighborhoods for decades, Rabbi Hecht was equally firm. "As long as there is a Constitution in this country, and there is a First Amendment that guarantees me the right to practice my religion, and my religion includes the tradition of using chickens for Kapparot, I will continue to use a chicken.

"That is my Constitutional right under the United States law, it is protected by the First Amendment, and I am going to do it, and make sure that other Jews have the same opportunity. Thank G-d for this country that guarantees us that right, to practice our religion as our forefathers commanded us."



I'd like to take down PETA if this is true. Has anyone else heard things like this?

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Re: Is PETA anti-semitic?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 04:52:05 PM »
I am for animal rights, I have no problem with it, but PETA makes partisan claims which hurts their movement.
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Re: Is PETA anti-semitic?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 04:53:15 PM »
PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals.

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Re: Is PETA anti-semitic?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 04:54:13 PM »
yes i love animals and love dogs but peta makes it hard for both Jews and Christians to defend animals with their insane propaganda
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Re: Is PETA anti-semitic?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2008, 04:54:17 PM »
I think this chicken issue is a minor point.

PETA wants to ban kosher butchering. This organisation is a cult, that is practizing a modern form of selling of indulgences.

They are marxist atheists that try to get rid of their sins by fighting for animal rights.

And while they doing this they are loosing every relation of human rights in relation to so called animal rights.  

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 04:55:02 PM »
Peta is filled with radicals. They are harsh when it comes to even Kosher Slaughter. Which is the most humane PETA once said that if someone has Flies on their head they should take each one off and try not to hurt them.
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Re: Is PETA anti-semitic?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2008, 04:55:37 PM »
Peta is filled with radicals. They are harsh when it comes to even Kosher Slaughter. Which is the most humane PETA once said that if someone has Flies on their head they should take each one off and try not to hurt them.

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 04:56:13 PM »
I love eating tasty animals.

 
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 04:57:07 PM »
What about killing innocent carrots and apples?
How does PETA know they don't hurt?
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 04:57:31 PM »
Peta is filled with radicals. They are harsh when it comes to even Kosher Slaughter. Which is the most humane PETA once said that if someone has Flies on their head they should take each one off and try not to hurt them.
Yes i remember that they said that about mosquitos and roaches as well :o :o
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 05:00:06 PM »
What about killing innocent carrots and apples?
How does PETA know they don't hurt?


end the genocide of the poor vegetables!

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Re: Is PETA anti-semitic?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 05:01:59 PM »
I dont believe animals have any rights. Who is it who gives them these rights? Are we to go an protect the prey of the lion from the lion? Animals, including my cats, are carnivores and eat the meat of their prey. Humans have grown in strength because we eat meat. There is nothing wrong with eating meat.

Judaism has many laws which extend kindness to the animal. This is not because animals have rights, any more than humans think they are owed 'rights'. We are kind to animals because it instills kindness in us, I wrote a blog entry on my blog about all the mitzvahs in Torah which relate to our treatment of our animals.

I am one who feeds my animals before I eat. This is a Jewish custom which I believe was mentioned in the Talmud. But to think that animals have universal rights is completely without basis. Animals , according to Torah, were put on the land to be used by humans.

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Re: Is PETA anti-semitic?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2008, 05:03:03 PM »
What about killing innocent carrots and apples?
How does PETA know they don't hurt?


end the genocide of the poor vegetables!

Come to think of it, what do PETA members eat?
Do they eat? Or do they just inject themselves with vitamins?

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 05:09:26 PM »
A while back PETA had a campaign where they compared the slaughter of chickens to the Holocaust. They put Jewish (human) lives on the same level as that of a chicken.

They feel that it's really a crime just as much as the Holocaust is to kill millions of chickens because they believe every one of those chickens has the same right to life that you or any other human being does.

The campaign was called "Holocaust on your plate"

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The display, titled "Holocaust on your Plate," was launched in February on the West Coast, drawing immediate outrage. It consists of eight 60-square-foot panels, each showing photos of factory farms next to photos from Nazi death camps.

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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2008, 05:23:15 PM »
Yes, peta is antisemitic and completely loony.   

Once, Arafat, yimach shemo, strapped a bomb to a donkey and used it in a terrorist attack that killed Jews, and PETA wrote him a long letter complaining that he hurt a donkey.

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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2008, 05:43:45 PM »
What about killing innocent carrots and apples?
How does PETA know they don't hurt?


 (I believe the source is from the Talmud, maybe somehwere else, but I have heard this)- that when vegetables and fruits get ripped from the trees/ground, they make a huge scream that can be heard all over, but G-d made our ears not to hear that scream (We really hear and see a small percentage of what really is out their- even scientists will say the same today, that we dont see all the things around us, for example the waves from a microwave, etc.). If we would hear it, we probably wouldn't eat fruits and vegetables.

  Also about peta- They are insane! Do you people know that they actually do Kill innocent animals just so that "they wouldn't feel pain". These people are retarted and should be put in a mental house. If anyone from Peta ready my message- I would like you to know that I will be eating chicken tonight, and it usually tastes soo good- Too bad. Do us a favor- just stop eating everything- Meat- vegetables, grains, etc. Dot even drink water, then maybe I will listin to you.
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Re: Is PETA anti-semitic?
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2008, 07:13:48 PM »
What about killing innocent carrots and apples?
How does PETA know they don't hurt?


 (I believe the source is from the Talmud, maybe somehwere else, but I have heard this)- that when vegetables and fruits get ripped from the trees/ground, they make a huge scream that can be heard all over, but G-d made our ears not to hear that scream (We really hear and see a small percentage of what really is out their- even scientists will say the same today, that we dont see all the things around us, for example the waves from a microwave, etc.). If we would hear it, we probably wouldn't eat fruits and vegetables.

  Also about peta- They are insane! Do you people know that they actually do Kill innocent animals just so that "they wouldn't feel pain". These people are retarted and should be put in a mental house. If anyone from Peta ready my message- I would like you to know that I will be eating chicken tonight, and it usually tastes soo good- Too bad. Do us a favor- just stop eating everything- Meat- vegetables, grains, etc. Dot even drink water, then maybe I will listin to you.

Shalom Tzvi,

I have heard of this. I have also heard that it is not good to pull leaves and flowers off a plant for no reason. I do not condone cruelty to animals {as I said I have taken care of cats for 20 years} but I dont think that they have 'rights'. We should prosecute those who abuse their animals.

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Re: Is PETA anti-semitic?
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2008, 07:38:30 PM »
What about killing innocent carrots and apples?
How does PETA know they don't hurt?


 (I believe the source is from the Talmud, maybe somehwere else, but I have heard this)- that when vegetables and fruits get ripped from the trees/ground, they make a huge scream that can be heard all over, but G-d made our ears not to hear that scream (We really hear and see a small percentage of what really is out their- even scientists will say the same today, that we dont see all the things around us, for example the waves from a microwave, etc.). If we would hear it, we probably wouldn't eat fruits and vegetables.

  Also about peta- They are insane! Do you people know that they actually do Kill innocent animals just so that "they wouldn't feel pain". These people are retarted and should be put in a mental house. If anyone from Peta ready my message- I would like you to know that I will be eating chicken tonight, and it usually tastes soo good- Too bad. Do us a favor- just stop eating everything- Meat- vegetables, grains, etc. Dot even drink water, then maybe I will listin to you.

Shalom Tzvi,

I have heard of this. I have also heard that it is not good to pull leaves and flowers off a plant for no reason. I do not condone cruelty to animals {as I said I have taken care of cats for 20 years} but I dont think that they have 'rights'. We should prosecute those who abuse their animals.

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I agree, it is unnecessary to be cruel to animals.  I deplore it also.  That is one of the reasons I like kosher meat, because it is very ethical.

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2008, 04:36:30 AM »
Yes, I do believe PETA members should stop eating.

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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2008, 05:25:41 AM »
A while back PETA had a campaign where they compared the slaughter of chickens to the Holocaust. They put Jewish (human) lives on the same level as that of a chicken.

They feel that it's really a crime just as much as the Holocaust is to kill millions of chickens because they believe every one of those chickens has the same right to life that you or any other human being does.

The campaign was called "Holocaust on your plate"

http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_hate.jsp?id=724

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The display, titled "Holocaust on your Plate," was launched in February on the West Coast, drawing immediate outrage. It consists of eight 60-square-foot panels, each showing photos of factory farms next to photos from Nazi death camps.



this is ridiculous.  the idiots at PETA need to be sued.  if they are harassing, violating a Jewish tradition with rants, phone calls, or stalking, or "shouting down," as Obama would call it, then a lawsuit should be filed.  sounds to me like the rights of the people who worship during that holiday, should be able to do so in peace.  "Holocaust on Your Plate" is going too far.  Why don't they go harass Pam Anderson who is a spokesperson for them and tell her to take off those fur coats in 90 degree weather in Los Angeles.  Talk about crazy.  THIS TOTALLY MAKES ME ANGRY.  How dare PETA compare a chicken to a human life.
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Yes, I do believe PETA members should stop eating.



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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2008, 07:56:28 AM »

  ALL leftist organizations are ANTI-Semitic, this I DONT get with Liberal-lefty Jews- WHAT are they THINKING??  Do you people have ANY idea how much I WEEP over our liberal brothers & sisters?? It makes me want to VOMIT.
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2008, 10:03:40 AM »

  ALL leftist organizations are ANTI-Semitic, this I DONT get with Liberal-lefty Jews- WHAT are they THINKING??  Do you people have ANY idea how much I WEEP over our liberal brothers & sisters?? It makes me want to VOMIT.


they are ashamed of their Jewishness, perhaps?  like some celebs.  they hide it when it benefits them, then they show it when they feel safe.  i'm not inside these peoples' heads, but they MIGHT be trying to hide the fact they are Jewish.  they don't feel safe among the people they are with, and, if repeated over and over again, it becomes part of their subconscious minds.  very sad, if that is the case.

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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2008, 12:10:00 PM »
I think that the Kapparot slaying must be stopped. I wish it was forbidden by law. it is utterly disgusting wasteful foreign custom. It is not a real Jewish minhag but a foreign and superstitious one.