Chaim does not like the term "Ultra-Orthodox" because it implies that observant Jews are radical and is a term mostly used by non-religious. Many Chabad congregations don't consider themselves Orthodox either because they want to be open to every Jew.
well whatdo we call radical "ultra" orthodox Jews? Inclusive Orthodox Jews?
charedim.
or Strictly Orthodox.
They don't like to be called "ultra".
ok, so that's what I'll call them...charedi or strictly orthodox...fair enough.
charedim is more specific to the group.. black hat..
maybe there would be some religious zionists that would object to being excluded from the label of "strictly orthodox"... though the term wouldn't normally refer to them.
you can count on strictly orthodox jews in the diaspora being charedi.
because if they were really serious and religious zionist, they'd surely live in israel.
the serious religious zionists in israel, , might be called Dati Leumi, though i'm not sure if they are all really strictly seriously orthodox. Some are.. leading ones certainly are. They are probably generally like right wing modern orthodox. With leaders , their rabbis, being very strict.
In America, Rabbi Kahane used to send kids to anti zionist schools, because they were simply more religious, and kids got a better jewish education. He himself studied at Mir yeshiva. Probably the only zionist there!