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please need some help with the Torah/Bible
zachor_ve_kavod:
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--- Quote from: zachor_ve_kavod on October 15, 2008, 09:06:06 PM ---Also, Isaac was the favorite to Abraham, and Jacob was the favorite to Isaac.
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actually the text suggests that Avraham cared alot for Yishmael, and Isaac. And G-d told him to send Yishmael away. G-d told him that his seed would continue through Isaac. Yitzchak's mother Sarai, naturally favoured Yitzchak. Avraham when he sent Ishmael away, was - I vaguely recall - reluctant, but G-d told him to listen to his wife.
the text does not suggest that avraham had a favourite. What is your evidence from the text that suggests he did?
Regarding Jacob
Jacob was not Isaac's favourite. If Isaac had a favourite, the text suggests that he favoured Esau. It was Isaac's wife Rivka that favoured Jacob, and had to fool Isaac into giving Jacob the better blessing.
So you certainly have it backwards there.
The text if it suggests that Isaac had a favourite, certainly suggests Esau was the favourite, not Jacob.
So I would say we see a similarity there. In that the wife favoured the son that would become father of the jewish people.
Also, it's not esaf!!!!! not in english or hebrew ESAV or perhaps ESAV/ESAW. OR Esau in english.
The F, is like saying Taf instead of Tav or Taw. Because W/V/F can become confused. W/V may have become confused. But let's not add F to the mix. I think some do say Taf but I doubt they claim that is correct.. It's certainly not esaf!!!
The reason these accidents can happen is because the letter is formed from the same part of the mouth.
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Wow, that's pretty embarassing. I'm going to review this right now!
muman613:
Shalom,
q_q_ is right in most of what he wrote here...
Abraham was very fond of Ishmael and had to be told by Sarah to put him and his mother out of Abrahams house. Only because Hashem told Abraham to listen to Sarah did he do so.
Also regarding Essau it is true that Yitzak loved Essau. And Rivka was involved with the fact that Yaakov got the birthright.
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The Mother of All Blessings
based on a ma'amar from Rebbe Yechezkel of Kuzmir, found in the appendix to Divrei Yisrael
"And he didn't recognize him, for his hands were hairy like the hands of Esav; and he blessed him" [Breishis, 27:23].
Our holy sefarim tell us that Yaakov Avinu had to take the brachos [blessings] away from Esav with cunning, since the blessings were taken away from Adam HaRishon with cunning [see Breishis, 3:1], when he was "tricked" into eating from the Tree of Knowledge. Our Sages [Baba Metzia, 84a] tell us that Yaakov Avinu's beauty was a reflection of Adam HaRishon's; therefore [as an inheritor of Adam], he took back the brachos.
The effect of Yaakov Avinu's receiving the brachos from his father Yitzchak was, that even at a time when the Jewish People would not be on a lofty spiritual level, they would still be able to receive all of the bounty and blessings of this [physical] world. This was accomplished when Yaakov's mother Rivka placed goatskins on Yaakov's arms and neck.
Rivka did this because she knew that although Yitzchak's physical eyesight was "dimmed", his spiritual vision was not. Yitzchak wanted to bless Esav with the blessings of this [physical] world, and Yaakov with those of Olam Haba - the World to Come, as our sefarim relate. She therefore clothed Yaakov with Esav's clothes and goatskins, so that he would "be" Esav completely. That is, wherever Yitzchak would feel and smell "Yaakov," he would detect "Esav". Yaakov was thereby blessed with the bounty of this world.
Another reason she did this is because she knew that it would be beneficial and fitting for both of her sons. Therefore, after each of the sons received all of the blessings that were truly fit for him, Rivka is referred to as the "mother of Yaakov and Esav" [Breishis, 28:5]. This was because she was truly the mother of both of them equally, and she effected the best for each one.
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So this is not a simple issue. I dont think you should pay someone to write this essay Yonathan... A true scholar must learn his bible lessons and not pay someone else... Please learn from your lesson...
muman613
Yonathan Ben Yakov:
basically if anyone can write this for me ill pay you.
schrodinger's cat:
--- Quote from: Yonathan Ben Yakov on October 15, 2008, 10:23:50 PM ---basically if anyone can write this for me ill pay you.
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It doesn't seem very moral for a Jew to cheat on a Judaism essay. :o
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muman613 on October 15, 2008, 09:36:46 PM ---Shalom,
q_q_ is right in most of what he wrote here...
Abraham was very fond of Ishmael and had to be told by Sarah to put him and his mother out of Abrahams house. Only because Hashem told Abraham to listen to Sarah did he do so.
Also regarding Essau it is true that Yitzak loved Essau. And Rivka was involved with the fact that Yaakov got the birthright.
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I know you don't care for facts, but if you are going to say somebody is wrong, you should have the decency to state where.
You should care for facts regarding the Torah.
You should at least want accuracy in that area.
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