Should JTF go back to the old ways?

[Scriabin]

Most Online Ever: 1753 (September 08, 2008, 09:12:39 AM)

That was then.  I'm talking about NOW.

[Scriabin]

This entire thread is filled with paranoia and baseless accusations.

Did you notice that the 'no' votes were doctored?

[Ulli]

I think Baltimore is right. We have not lost popularity. Here is an independend source: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/jtf.org

[briann]

I think Baltimore is right. We have not lost popularity. Here is an independend source: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/jtf.org

Actually... looking at that Graph... we have lost popularity.  Its a bit more evident when you expand it to 'Max'

However.... there is a spike in the last 2 weeks... because people are starting to seek an anti-obama refuge.  Lets make sure they stay here.

[Ulli]

I think the opposite is true.

If you look at the 3 month statistic, we became more and more popular.

[Zelhar]

What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!

[q_q_]

What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!

if you look at the text asking to vote, then after the word No, it says doctored in brackets.

DUH!  How did you think he "knew"?!

;-)

[Scriabin]

What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!

The number of 'no' votes nearly quadrupled in a VERY short period of time.

[Scriabin]

What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!

if you look at the text asking to vote, then after the word No, it says doctored in brackets.

DUH!  How did you think he "knew"?!

;-)

What?  Are you suggesting that I added twelve or thirteen votes to the 'no' column?  That would be totally contrary to the point that I'm trying to make.

Furthermore, I don't have the ability to change votes.  Only an administrator can do that.

Try it yourself.  Start a poll and see if you can change the votes as you suggest I'm doing.

You're a first-class schmuck, q q.

[Scriabin]

Posting that Chaim spouts "PC BS", asking if JTF is a cult, or stating that we are politically correct by using fear... I would safely say those things could be classified as "stabs". They certainly aren't compliments.

That's the thing about free speech and not having censorship. You get to state your opinion, which you obviously have, and I get to state mine.

1)  I know that JTF is NOT a cult.  That's why I asked that rhetorical question.

2)  I never said that JTF is "politically correct by using fear".  I honestly don't know what that means.  Please don't misunderstand my words the way that you have misunderstood other people's words in the past.  I certainly don't think that JTF is politically correct but I do think that JTF has taken a small shift away from the kind of 'extreme' language that we used to hear from Chaim.  That's what I'm talking about.

3)  I do not think that Chaim, "spouts PC BS".  My use of the word 'BS' was NOT a criticism of Chaim, it was a shot at the concept of political correctness in general.

4)  I will always love and support JTF.  People can think what they want to think, that's their business.

[q_q_]

What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!

if you look at the text asking to vote, then after the word No, it says doctored in brackets.

DUH!  How did you think he "knew"?!

;-)

What?  Are you suggesting that I added twelve or thirteen votes to the 'no' column?  That would be totally contrary to the point that I'm trying to make.

Furthermore, I don't have the ability to change votes.  Only an administrator can do that.

Try it yourself.  Start a poll and see if you can change the votes as you suggest I'm doing.

You're a first-class schmuck, q q.

well done, you managed to not swear

[Scriabin]

What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!

if you look at the text asking to vote, then after the word No, it says doctored in brackets.

DUH!  How did you think he "knew"?!

;-)

What?  Are you suggesting that I added twelve or thirteen votes to the 'no' column?  That would be totally contrary to the point that I'm trying to make.

Furthermore, I don't have the ability to change votes.  Only an administrator can do that.

Try it yourself.  Start a poll and see if you can change the votes as you suggest I'm doing.

You're a first-class schmuck, q q.

well done, you managed to not swear

And you nearly managed being humerous.

[q_q_]

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You're a first-class schmuck, q q.

well done, you managed to not swear

And you nearly managed being humerous.

I'm totally serious. Well done.

[Masha]

Here is an example of the old ways:

http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3

What a great program. Thanks for posting it! First, I was laughing hysterically, and by the end of the program, I was touched to tears. I experienced the whole gamut of emotions. This was really powerful. Really really powerful. Chaim has a great gift of oration. You can't train it, it's inborn.

[Shlomo]

Somebody doctored the no votes!

Scriabin, who on earth would "doctor the votes" and for what reason?? That ridiculous accusation made in super huge red font is just absurd at best and is meant to cause trouble. You think that me, Chaim, or Lisa need to worry about modifying your polls? Plus, just to make certain, I checked the admin logs and no moderator has modified your poll either.

Please stop trying to make problems in the forum. I don't know why you are so angry these days and feel that you need to behave like this. It's not the same Scriabin I used to know.

[Scriabin]

Scriabin, who on earth would "doctor the votes" and for what reason?? That ridiculous accusation made in super huge red font is just absurd at best and is meant to cause trouble.

I can't explain how more than ten votes suddenly appeared in the 'no' column between yesterday night and this morning.

[Scriabin]

<snip>
You're a first-class schmuck, q q.

well done, you managed to not swear

And you nearly managed being humerous.

I'm totally serious. Well done.

I'm also serious about you being a schmuck.

[Rubystars]

Scriabin, who on earth would "doctor the votes" and for what reason?? That ridiculous accusation made in super huge red font is just absurd at best and is meant to cause trouble.

I can't explain how more than ten votes suddenly appeared in the 'no' column between yesterday night and this morning.

It was probably newer members or maybe people who voted but didn't post in the thread. I'm sure nobody messed with the poll Scriabin. Remember this is the same old JTF and the principles never changed, the message never changed, just the means of delivery. JTF is still very highly un-PC. I mean for the last several months JTF had "Jews against Obama!" That phrase itself could anger a lot of people.

I love those old videos and programs and I voted yes in your poll, but if Chaim feels doing it another way right now is best then I think we should trust him. He's very good at predicting things. He still feels and thinks the same way he always did I'm pretty sure of that.

[Dan]

I was one of those NO's!

[Scriabin]

I was one of those NO's!

How many votes did you cast?

This poll has been rigged.

[Dr. Dan]

I was one of those NO's!

How many votes did you cast?

This poll has been rigged.

do a revote of my poll...

[Lisa]

Do another poll if you feel so strongly about it. 

[Dr. Dan]

lisa i did one already which is more articulate.

[Baltimore]

Here is an example of the old ways:

http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3

What a great program. Thanks for posting it! First, I was laughing hysterically, and by the end of the program, I was touched to tears. I experienced the whole gamut of emotions. This was really powerful. Really really powerful. Chaim has a great gift of oration. You can't train it, it's inborn.

A CLASSIC! Everyone should listen to it. Chaim was on fire that day. I was laughing out loud numerous times during that one.

[Scriabin]

"We need to bury respectability before respectability buries us."