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Richard Wagner was a transvestite

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Din Rodef:
Wagner is a distant relative of mine

...at least...that's the family story

mord:

--- Quote from: Din Rodef on March 27, 2007, 07:54:26 PM ---Wagner is a distant relative of mine

...at least...that's the family story

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Your Famous :D collect some residuels on his music.

Din Rodef:

--- Quote from: mord on March 27, 2007, 07:59:23 PM ---Your Famous :D collect some residuels on his music.

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Haha...that's the story anyway. I don't know if it's true.

sat_chit_anand:
I think that the point is that Wagner was an anti-Semite and the Nazi regime used his music and that is transgressive and offensive for a lot of Jewish people.

His music was part of the German romantic movement (the English romantic movement was better, IMO) and came at the time when smaller German states began to amalgamate into a greater Germany. I am not so sure that his music was inspired by that... Wagner's patron was the mad Ludwig II who was staunchly nationalistic and wanted Bavaria to remain separate. He built magnificent castles.

If you have not seen the film 'Ludwig' by directed by Luchino Visconti, I recommend that you watch it. The whole thing takes 6 hours. I find myself in tears every five minutes. For me it is about painful compromises.

The torturous formality of Ludwig's life even extends to his near family arranging for him to appear to fall in love with his cousin, to whom he is betrothed, in front of his extended family at a large family gathering.

His love for Wagner is perhaps symbolic of his desire to break away from this and from Christianity and the constraints of duty and pursue a different path. Ludwig and Ludwig's family falls apart because they have turned against nature. Richard Wagner's is Ludwig's only solace.

Visually, the film has a eerie preternatural quality. Perhaps best viewed from 6pm to midnight with a large hankerchief.

Fascinating subject matter, but do not expect Jewish people to like Richard Wagner.

He didn't like them.

I think that the roots of this are in the Judeo-Christian linear sense of time, which conflicts with the pagan notion of the world cycle.

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