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Haredims and Kahanists ?
The One and Only Mo:
--- Quote from: Dan on December 05, 2009, 09:34:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: FreedomFighter08 on December 05, 2009, 09:29:26 PM ---You need more explanations? I can't be around men all the time. Women are a gift to the world. Plus I have a Secular approach to everything, including religion, including Judaism. I question everything and never take what somebody says to me face value.
I can't be a Heredi because:
- They had their own people killed in the Holocaust because they didn't want to go to Israel
- Many of them are Anti-Zionist
- I can't live my life not having any fun
- Heredis aren't really stylish
- I'm an individualist so I don't want to be following whatever a Rabbi says
- I'm a secular person
- They don't pay taxes or serve in the Israeli military
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
- I like the ladies
:laugh: :::D
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what are you implying?
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Don't bother.
IsraeliGovtAreKapos:
בס"ד
--- Quote from: FreedomFighter08 on December 05, 2009, 09:29:26 PM ---You need more explanations? I can't be around men all the time. Women are a gift to the world. Plus I have a Secular approach to everything, including religion, including Judaism. I question everything and never take what somebody says to me face value.
I can't be a Heredi because:
- They had their own people killed in the Holocaust because they didn't want to go to Israel
- Many of them are Anti-Zionist
- I can't live my life not having any fun
- Heredis aren't really stylish
- I'm an individualist so I don't want to be following whatever a Rabbi says
- I'm a secular person
- They don't pay taxes or serve in the Israeli military
- I like the ladies
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Who tells you to be around men all the time? we're not Christian monks but there are limitations, we're not animals.
Ok, you need any proof/explanation for anything in Judaism, I can explain everything.
- So did "secular" Jews and at the time of th Holocaust there were more Haredis in Eretz Israel more than so-called "secular" Jews.
- So there are many other Jews from other groups and some of them are Rav Kahana, the ultimate Zionist.
- What does that have to do with the discussion? the prob is the definition of "having fun".
- Huh?
- Nobody tells you to do whatever he tells to do but when it comes to Halachic questions (for example, if I have a Halachic question I'll go to a Rabbi, if I have a question about the understanding of the geo-politic situation I'd to go to a military/security expert and/or go to library and to the History books.
- "Secularism" (what's that?) doesn't exist in Judaism.
- :::D :::D :::D Not living in Israel and knowing this about Haredis, there is a HUGE division especially for Haredis, Haredis WORK
They're the number 1 charity attributers and they care about Jews more than you would ever in your life, etc. They pay texas (some not but they're not even Israeli citizens and they got NOTHING from the State).
- I love women too but I'm not getting my ebb inclinations into control of me, I'm a human not a beast.
FreedomFighter08:
You would love to lie your life separated with society? I don't like the whole reputation about Haredis as well. What's the point of this? I don't want to be Haredi. I can control myself as well but I'm still going to hang out with girls and not say "Oh I'm sorry but I'm not allowed to talk to girls unless I'm marrying them". They really sound like Jewish monks. They can do what they do but it's not for me. Why is this whole discussion turned to the reason why I wouldn't want to be ultra Orthodox?
IsraeliGovtAreKapos:
בס"ד
--- Quote from: FreedomFighter08 on December 05, 2009, 09:47:11 PM ---You would love to lie your life separated with society? I don't like the whole reputation about Haredis as well. What's the point of this? I don't want to be Haredi. I can control myself as well but I'm still going to hang out with girls and not say "Oh I'm sorry but I'm not allowed to talk to girls unless I'm marrying them". They really sound like Jewish monks. They can do what they do but it's not for me. Why is this whole discussion turned to the reason why I wouldn't want to be ultra Orthodox?
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Who lives his life seperated with society?????
Who's forbbiden to talk with girls (with modest limits of course but why would the very talking be forbbiden)???
Seems like your knowledge of Judaism is origined in the Bolshevik media and anti-Semitic cartoons and nothing further. How can you make sure they do that if you don't even know what Torah is???
And why are you mixing Christianity and Islam with Judaism?
what's "ultra Orthodox"? I don't know these definition.
Nobody makes you become a Haredi (I'm not), what does that have to do with the discussion? You know nothing about Torah so you choose between being an English speaking Gentile and something you don't know.
The One and Only Mo:
--- Quote from: FreedomFighter08 on December 05, 2009, 09:47:11 PM ---You would love to lie your life separated with society? I don't like the whole reputation about Haredis as well. What's the point of this? I don't want to be Haredi. I can control myself as well but I'm still going to hang out with girls and not say "Oh I'm sorry but I'm not allowed to talk to girls unless I'm marrying them". They really sound like Jewish monks. They can do what they do but it's not for me. Why is this whole discussion turned to the reason why I wouldn't want to be ultra Orthodox?
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It's not you, it's those people in your boat who are brainwashed by secular society/assimilation into becoming modern to the point of believing that there are doctrines of Judaism that are being dictated and are pointless and everybody who lives by them are miserable. It's hard for anyone to change, especially people raised in a certain way, but you must know that they are truly happy. You think you are happy with the physical/secular pleasures of life, which is common in today's society, but you have to understand that Judaism is based mostly on the World to Come and how to attain it using this world. If we lived our lives for ONLY this world, we would be worthless in the world to come. But like I said, nobody can expect somebody in your shoes to change. Just understand that Orthodox Jews believe in much more than the animal/physical temptations of this world .
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