In Regard To Ron Ben Michael

[Zelhar]

I just had an irony flash. The Jewish tradition and laws are very isolationist. It seems like everything has to be kept separated without blending or merging. Jews must be separated from gentiles, men and women must at certain times separate. There are even mitzvas forbidding the creation of hybrid animals and plants, and even fabrics cannot be made of wool and cotton together.

The irony is that  in our history, we have become entangled and intertwine with other nations and other affairs, and other ideologies, probably more then any other nation.

I dont know if I agree with you on this.... The Jewish people, until this last century, have been isolated by the host countries in which they lived. In my great-grandparents days no Jew would marry a non-Jew... Back in Ukraine the Jews lived in their own villiages, not only because of tradition, but because they were not welcome in the non-Jewish villiages. The Jewish people until recently have been a nation seperated from the other nations. Only in the last century have Jews come to America and been able to move up.

You are right that for the most part we maintained separated communities in the exile. Nevertheless we become a class within gentile society

[The One and Only Mo]

I just had an irony flash. The Jewish tradition and laws are very isolationist. It seems like everything has to be kept separated without blending or merging. Jews must be separated from gentiles, men and women must at certain times separate. There are even mitzvas forbidding the creation of hybrid animals and plants, and even fabrics cannot be made of wool and cotton together.

The irony is that  in our history, we have become entangled and intertwine with other nations and other affairs, and other ideologies, probably more then any other nation.

I dont know if I agree with you on this.... The Jewish people, until this last century, have been isolated by the host countries in which they lived. In my great-grandparents days no Jew would marry a non-Jew... Back in Ukraine the Jews lived in their own villiages, not only because of tradition, but because they were not welcome in the non-Jewish villiages. The Jewish people until recently have been a nation seperated from the other nations. Only in the last century have Jews come to America and been able to move up.

And look at the damage it's done.

[VforVendetta]

One thing I dont agree with the attitude of some members here is that they rebuke and debate with gentiles instead of teaching them and serving an example,
and with this they draw away many people, because nobody wants to be criticized and yelled at.
This forum had a unique quality of being patient and guiding to the gentiles, and this is how we got so many gentile members supporting us.
Unfortunately we are losing this quality because some people prefer to be self-righteous instead of patient and many members are conspiring to leave.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

One thing I dont agree with the attitude of some members here is that they rebuke and debate with gentiles instead of teaching them and serving an example,
and with this they draw away many people, because nobody wants to be criticized and yelled at.
This forum had a unique quality of being patient and guiding to the gentiles, and this is how we got so many gentile members supporting us.
Unfortunately we are losing this quality because some people prefer to be self-righteous instead of patient and many members are conspiring to leave.

בס''ד

בני, למה אתה מעלה את העניין הזה שוב? האם אתה לא רואה שכמעט לא היו לנו ויכוחים כאלה 48 שעות כבר? אנו פותרים את הבעיה הזו בעזרת השם. אבל כל פעם שאתה מעלה את זה עם הביקורת שלך, זה עלול להתחיל עוד קטטה מיותרת.

[Boyana]

כד  צוּף-דְּבַשׁ, אִמְרֵי-נֹעַם;    מָתוֹק לַנֶּפֶשׁ, וּמַרְפֵּא לָעָצֶם

[arksis]

V is not starting an unneccessary fight, he is just stating how he feels, he too, has been upset over this. I totally support V with his feelings. He is a fine young man and I will stand up for him and protect him if I can.

Just remember that no one is perfect or has a right to judge others here. God bless everyone here and have a wonderful day!

[VforVendetta]

כד  צוּף-דְּבַשׁ, אִמְרֵי-נֹעַם;    מָתוֹק לַנֶּפֶשׁ, וּמַרְפֵּא לָעָצֶם

The words of Torah are pleasant to the body and soul like honey. 

[~Hanna~]

Amen and amen, to this.....

כד  צוּף-דְּבַשׁ, אִמְרֵי-נֹעַם;    מָתוֹק לַנֶּפֶשׁ, וּמַרְפֵּא לָעָצֶם

The words of Torah are pleasant to the body and soul like honey. 

[AsheDina]

My heart and soul will reside in Israel some day soon. I cannot fathom not being there... But in the meantime I will continue to have relations with non-Jews... I don't rely on them, but my Parnasa is from Hashem. Hashem has given me skills which have provided me with many opportunities. It may be that these skills will make me valuable in Israel soon...

I dont rely on gentiles but those who know me know that when I am with them that Hashem is with me.

Muman, I dont rely on ANYBODY outside of G-d and my David.  David is silly, he does not want to go to Israel.  Since I believe in my heart that G-d will use my singing voice, I believe that I will be blessed, so this will enable me to go to our homeland.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Incogman is truly the scum of the earth. If "scum of the earth" as a phrase were in the dictionary, his pedophile mug would be the illustration for it. He runs a hideous blog where he blames Jews for the bubonic plague, for earthquakes, and the fact that everybody dies. Truly sickening stuff and if the FBI was doing his job, his computer would be confiscated for child porn this instant.

[~Hanna~]

that is a good idea....

Incogman is truly the scum of the earth. If "scum of the earth" as a phrase were in the dictionary, his pedophile mug would be the illustration for it. He runs a hideous blog where he blames Jews for the bubonic plague, for earthquakes, and the fact that everybody dies. Truly sickening stuff and if the FBI was doing his job, his computer would be confiscated for child porn this instant.

[mord]

he's more like a clown

[~Hanna~]

yes...

he's more like a clown

[Zelhar]

I just had an irony flash. The Jewish tradition and laws are very isolationist. It seems like everything has to be kept separated without blending or merging. Jews must be separated from gentiles, men and women must at certain times separate. There are even mitzvas forbidding the creation of hybrid animals and plants, and even fabrics cannot be made of wool and cotton together.

The irony is that  in our history, we have become entangled and intertwine with other nations and other affairs, and other ideologies, probably more then any other nation.

I dont know if I agree with you on this.... The Jewish people, until this last century, have been isolated by the host countries in which they lived. In my great-grandparents days no Jew would marry a non-Jew... Back in Ukraine the Jews lived in their own villiages, not only because of tradition, but because they were not welcome in the non-Jewish villiages. The Jewish people until recently have been a nation seperated from the other nations. Only in the last century have Jews come to America and been able to move up.

You are right that for the most part we maintained separated communities in the exile. Nevertheless we become a class within gentile society

Another thing that my learned friend pointed on:
Harishonim, the rabbis of the period 1100-1500, were more open to the foreign world than HaAchronim. Take for example the Rambam, Rabbi Yehuda Halevi, and many other scholars from Sfarad- they were like renaissance men.