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« Reply #200 on: June 03, 2007, 08:28:32 PM »
We were also debating teachers now that I think about it but the thread was old by then anyway.
In your opinion, what is revisionism?

Anything that doesn't fit into their narrow frameworks :)

Erica, when are you going to come back to the Ask JTF forum and ask the challenging questions of Chaim?
Sorry we can't go under the big tent theory that you liberals love so much. History is history it can't be changed good or bad facts it is what it is.

I don't think it's an issue of convervative versus liberal. I don't think that the viewpoint of slavery being good for black people is conservative. It's just downright ill-informed.
I didn't say slavery  was good I said I preferred it never took place.
Slavery was the best thing that could have happened to blacks, where would they be now if they weren't brought to this country.
I will tell you they would be in Africa getting killed by the warlords and eating bugs from trees.


LOL! After all this, I just gotta throw my head back and laugh! But I'm not laughing at slavery! I'm laughing at remarks like this!
I see some remarks I don't care for also but I am past the point of laughing. Imerica and Daniel you are birds of a feather and I see you both are a waste of time to debate. 
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« Reply #201 on: June 03, 2007, 08:46:34 PM »
We were also debating teachers now that I think about it but the thread was old by then anyway.
In your opinion, what is revisionism?

Anything that doesn't fit into their narrow frameworks :)

Erica, when are you going to come back to the Ask JTF forum and ask the challenging questions of Chaim?
Sorry we can't go under the big tent theory that you liberals love so much. History is history it can't be changed good or bad facts it is what it is.

I don't think it's an issue of convervative versus liberal. I don't think that the viewpoint of slavery being good for black people is conservative. It's just downright ill-informed.
I didn't say slavery  was good I said I preferred it never took place.
Slavery was the best thing that could have happened to blacks, where would they be now if they weren't brought to this country.
I will tell you they would be in Africa getting killed by the warlords and eating bugs from trees.


LOL! After all this, I just gotta throw my head back and laugh! But I'm not laughing at slavery! I'm laughing at remarks like this!
I see some remarks I don't care for also but I am past the point of laughing. Imerica and Daniel you are birds of a feather and I see you both are a waste of time to debate. 
Because we're not kissing your behind everytime you bend over, we're a waste of time to debate? Is there a rule here that we MUST agree with everyone here?

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« Reply #202 on: June 03, 2007, 08:49:01 PM »
CJD, I disagree, Daniel is a good Jew and has made legitimate points in this debate. We can disagree about some things and still agree about others
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« Reply #203 on: June 03, 2007, 08:52:17 PM »
CJD, I disagree, Daniel is a good Jew and has made legitimate points in this debate. We can disagree about some things and still agree about others

Thanks kahaneloyalist. I appreciate that. CJD, we don't have to agree with each other in order to have worthwhile debates. After all, debates are born out of disagreements with each other and that's perfectly okay, just as long as we remain relatively civil towards each other.

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« Reply #204 on: June 03, 2007, 08:55:07 PM »
CJD, I disagree, Daniel is a good Jew and has made legitimate points in this debate. We can disagree about some things and still agree about others

Thanks kahaneloyalist. I appreciate that. CJD, we don't have to agree with each other in order to have worthwhile debates. After all, debates are born out of disagreements with each other and that's perfectly okay, just as long as we remain relatively civil towards each other.
I am always civil.
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« Reply #205 on: June 03, 2007, 08:56:29 PM »
CJD, I disagree, Daniel is a good Jew and has made legitimate points in this debate. We can disagree about some things and still agree about others

Thanks kahaneloyalist. I appreciate that. CJD, we don't have to agree with each other in order to have worthwhile debates. After all, debates are born out of disagreements with each other and that's perfectly okay, just as long as we remain relatively civil towards each other.
I am always civil.

never said you weren't

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« Reply #206 on: June 03, 2007, 09:01:14 PM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrities' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or musician) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?

« Last Edit: June 03, 2007, 09:06:07 PM by bullcat3 »
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« Reply #207 on: June 03, 2007, 09:02:10 PM »
CJD, I disagree, Daniel is a good Jew and has made legitimate points in this debate. We can disagree about some things and still agree about others

Thanks kahaneloyalist. I appreciate that. CJD, we don't have to agree with each other in order to have worthwhile debates. After all, debates are born out of disagreements with each other and that's perfectly okay, just as long as we remain relatively civil towards each other.
I am always civil.
I agree CJD - I always find you to be civil in your posts.
Be very CAREFUL of people whose WORDS don't match their ACTIONS.

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« Reply #208 on: June 03, 2007, 09:04:29 PM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrites' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or muscian) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?



That reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they put subtitles in for the two black guys speaking jive. Then later on, they needed to nun to speak to them and translate since she knew how to speak jive. Some of the funniest scenes ever!

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« Reply #209 on: June 03, 2007, 09:06:21 PM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrites' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or muscian) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?



That reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they put subtitles in for the two black guys speaking jive. Then later on, they needed to nun to speak to them and translate since she knew how to speak jive. Some of the funniest scenes ever!
I don't think it was a nun.  Just an old lady I think.  But, I do agree, quite a funny scene.

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« Reply #210 on: June 03, 2007, 09:13:47 PM »
I loved Airplane. LOL

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« Reply #211 on: June 03, 2007, 09:16:33 PM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrites' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or muscian) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?



That reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they put subtitles in for the two black guys speaking jive. Then later on, they needed to nun to speak to them and translate since she knew how to speak jive. Some of the funniest scenes ever!
I don't think it was a nun.  Just an old lady I think.  But, I do agree, quite a funny scene.

I thought the funniest moment in that scene was at the very end when he says, "Sh*t!" and underneath in subtitles, it says, "Golly!"

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« Reply #212 on: June 03, 2007, 09:42:27 PM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrites' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or muscian) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?



That reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they put subtitles in for the two black guys speaking jive. Then later on, they needed to nun to speak to them and translate since she knew how to speak jive. Some of the funniest scenes ever!
I don't think it was a nun.  Just an old lady I think.  But, I do agree, quite a funny scene.

I thought the funniest moment in that scene was at the very end when he says, "Sh*t!" and underneath in subtitles, it says, "Golly!"
I think you've stumbled onto something, Daniel.

Wouldn't some of our problems in this country just dissipate if we all wore ticker plates that read a translation of what we're saying? The language barrier would disappear big time!

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« Reply #213 on: June 03, 2007, 10:02:55 PM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrites' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or muscian) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?



That reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they put subtitles in for the two black guys speaking jive. Then later on, they needed to nun to speak to them and translate since she knew how to speak jive. Some of the funniest scenes ever!
I don't think it was a nun.  Just an old lady I think.  But, I do agree, quite a funny scene.

I thought the funniest moment in that scene was at the very end when he says, "Sh*t!" and underneath in subtitles, it says, "Golly!"
I think you've stumbled onto something, Daniel.

Wouldn't some of our problems in this country just dissipate if we all wore ticker plates that read a translation of what we're saying? The language barrier would disappear big time!
Or at least subtitles at the bottom of rap videos.  This is pretty funny - white dude reciting the lyrics to "I Wanna Buy You a Draaaaaaaaaaaaaank":

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« Reply #214 on: June 03, 2007, 10:26:38 PM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrites' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or muscian) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?



That reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they put subtitles in for the two black guys speaking jive. Then later on, they needed to nun to speak to them and translate since she knew how to speak jive. Some of the funniest scenes ever!
I don't think it was a nun.  Just an old lady I think.  But, I do agree, quite a funny scene.

I thought the funniest moment in that scene was at the very end when he says, "Sh*t!" and underneath in subtitles, it says, "Golly!"
I think you've stumbled onto something, Daniel.

Wouldn't some of our problems in this country just dissipate if we all wore ticker plates that read a translation of what we're saying? The language barrier would disappear big time!
What about if we all just tried to speak english?
What exactly is a ticker plate?
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« Reply #215 on: June 03, 2007, 11:14:05 PM »
I'll be disagreeing with you here Allen, I've seen a documentary about slavery  in which accounts were given of slaves being raped.

And lies don't get told in documentaries? Use some common sense and more importantly white men raping black women goes against every known psychological profile of the mindset of a rapist. A minority of attractive ones had sex for benefits. Use common sense, why would a wealthy white man who can get attractive white women choose instead to force himself on something that looks like Tracey Chapman? No, BS. Let blacks pish and moan all they want, that's just an attempt to bring us down to the animal level of black men.

Not only is this post extremely racist, it defies common sense. Rape has nothing to do with wealth, status, or attraction. It has to do with control, power, and violence. So your claim that a wealthy white man who can get an attractive white women would never rape an ugly black woman holds absolutely no water.

You are right, rape is about control,power and violence which is why it is usually perpetuated by those WHO DON'T HAVE ANY[control & power]! So it's illogical that white slave owners who already had this would be motivated to rape. That only leaves sexual attraction which brings us yet again around to my original point. If sex between white slave owners and black female slaves was going on, it was most likely consensual. When you, Daniel say my statement is racist it is no different than the self hating Jews that called Kahane a racist for his reasoning behind "They must GO!"

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« Reply #216 on: June 03, 2007, 11:18:44 PM »
We abhor holocaust deniers. But it seems like some of you are denying things that took place during the slave trade. That's just as abominable.

Daniel, why do statistics show, consistently for as many years as you can trace back that there are/have been virtually NO white men in jail for raping black women? Why? Why at one point in history would there be this great outpouring of rape against black women then poooof, NOTHING? That's a fair question. Why as white men have less and less power and control aren't these figures rising? Because we are not comparable to [censored] men. 
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« Reply #217 on: June 04, 2007, 02:12:24 AM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrites' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or muscian) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?



That reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they put subtitles in for the two black guys speaking jive. Then later on, they needed to nun to speak to them and translate since she knew how to speak jive. Some of the funniest scenes ever!
I don't think it was a nun.  Just an old lady I think.  But, I do agree, quite a funny scene.

I thought the funniest moment in that scene was at the very end when he says, "Sh*t!" and underneath in subtitles, it says, "Golly!"
I think you've stumbled onto something, Daniel.

Wouldn't some of our problems in this country just dissipate if we all wore ticker plates that read a translation of what we're saying? The language barrier would disappear big time!
What about if we all just tried to speak english?
What exactly is a ticker plate?
Are you familiar with CNN and other news stations that might have the running ticker of other news at the bottom of the screen? That's what I'm referring to.

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« Reply #218 on: June 04, 2007, 02:15:22 AM »
I'll be disagreeing with you here Allen, I've seen a documentary about slavery  in which accounts were given of slaves being raped.

And lies don't get told in documentaries? Use some common sense and more importantly white men raping black women goes against every known psychological profile of the mindset of a rapist. A minority of attractive ones had sex for benefits. Use common sense, why would a wealthy white man who can get attractive white women choose instead to force himself on something that looks like Tracey Chapman? No, BS. Let blacks pish and moan all they want, that's just an attempt to bring us down to the animal level of black men.

Not only is this post extremely racist, it defies common sense. Rape has nothing to do with wealth, status, or attraction. It has to do with control, power, and violence. So your claim that a wealthy white man who can get an attractive white women would never rape an ugly black woman holds absolutely no water.

You are right, rape is about control,power and violence which is why it is usually perpetuated by those WHO DON'T HAVE ANY[control & power]! So it's illogical that white slave owners who already had this would be motivated to rape. That only leaves sexual attraction which brings us yet again around to my original point. If sex between white slave owners and black female slaves was going on, it was most likely consensual. When you, Daniel say my statement is racist it is no different than the self hating Jews that called Kahane a racist for his reasoning behind "They must GO!"
A question for you Allen... What do you think of sick rapists who rape old women? Were they asking for it? It goes to show you that rape is absolutely NOT about physical attraction. I was molested at 5 years old for 5 years by an uncle who was 15 when it started. Was THAT consentual? Use your brain on this one.

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« Reply #219 on: June 04, 2007, 02:18:06 AM »
We abhor holocaust deniers. But it seems like some of you are denying things that took place during the slave trade. That's just as abominable.

Daniel, why do statistics show, consistently for as many years as you can trace back that there are/have been virtually NO white men in jail for raping black women? Why? Why at one point in history would there be this great outpouring of rape against black women then poooof, NOTHING? That's a fair question. Why as white men have less and less power and control aren't these figures rising? Because we are not comparable to [censored] men. 
Are you saying that there is proof that white men don't rape black women? You have got to be joking. You know nothing. Absolutely nothing of what you're talking about.

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« Reply #220 on: June 04, 2007, 06:04:23 AM »
I'll be disagreeing with you here Allen, I've seen a documentary about slavery  in which accounts were given of slaves being raped.

And lies don't get told in documentaries? Use some common sense and more importantly white men raping black women goes against every known psychological profile of the mindset of a rapist. A minority of attractive ones had sex for benefits. Use common sense, why would a wealthy white man who can get attractive white women choose instead to force himself on something that looks like Tracey Chapman? No, BS. Let blacks pish and moan all they want, that's just an attempt to bring us down to the animal level of black men.

Not only is this post extremely racist, it defies common sense. Rape has nothing to do with wealth, status, or attraction. It has to do with control, power, and violence. So your claim that a wealthy white man who can get an attractive white women would never rape an ugly black woman holds absolutely no water.

You are right, rape is about control,power and violence which is why it is usually perpetuated by those WHO DON'T HAVE ANY[control & power]! So it's illogical that white slave owners who already had this would be motivated to rape. That only leaves sexual attraction which brings us yet again around to my original point. If sex between white slave owners and black female slaves was going on, it was most likely consensual. When you, Daniel say my statement is racist it is no different than the self hating Jews that called Kahane a racist for his reasoning behind "They must GO!"
A question for you Allen... What do you think of sick rapists who rape old women? Were they asking for it? It goes to show you that rape is absolutely NOT about physical attraction. I was molested at 5 years old for 5 years by an uncle who was 15 when it started. Was THAT consentual? Use your brain on this one.

Erica, this is NOT a response to my comments. All rape is evil, period. What happened to you is evil. Believe it or not, if I could personally go back in time and stop that from happening to you I would. I hate that very much. All I am saying is I don't believe that white slave owners raped black female slaves with any frequency. If that did ever happen,and it probably did occasionally, it was evil and inexcusable. I am not saying white slave owners didn't do this because I am trying to erase a fact or redefine one. I say it only because I believe IT DIDN'T HAPPEN with the frequencies that liars have tried to suggest that it did. I wasn't there and neither were you. The reason I state statistics from recent history is to show that what doesn't exist now, PROBABLY didn't exist then.   

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« Reply #221 on: June 04, 2007, 06:51:46 AM »
We abhor holocaust deniers. But it seems like some of you are denying things that took place during the slave trade. That's just as abominable.

Daniel, why do statistics show, consistently for as many years as you can trace back that there are/have been virtually NO white men in jail for raping black women? Why? Why at one point in history would there be this great outpouring of rape against black women then poooof, NOTHING? That's a fair question. Why as white men have less and less power and control aren't these figures rising? Because we are not comparable to [censored] men. 
Are you saying that there is proof that white men don't rape black women? You have got to be joking. You know nothing. Absolutely nothing of what you're talking about.

Here Erica, chew on this for awhile;

When whites do violence — rape, murder, assault — how often do they choose black victims? Shouldn’t a nation of bigots target blacks most of the time? At least half of the time? Of course, it does not. When whites commit violence, they to it to blacks 2.4 percent of the time. Blacks, on the other hand, choose white victims more than half the time. [317]

In those cases in which the race of the killer is known, blacks kill twice as many whites as whites kill blacks. Black-on-white robberies and gang assaults are twenty-one times more common than white on black. In the case of gang robbery, blacks victimize whites fifty-two times more often than whites do blacks. [318]

The contrasts are even more stark in the case of interracial rape. Studies from the late 1950s showed that the vast majority of rapes were same-race offenses. Research in Philadelphia carried out in 1958 and 1960 indicated that of all rapes, only 3.2 percent were black-on-white assaults and 3.6 percent were white-on-black. Since that time, the proportion of black-on-white rapes has soared. In a 1974 study in Denver, 40 percent of all rapes were of whites by blacks, and not one case of white-on-black rape was found. In general, through the 1970s, black-on-white rape was at least ten times more common that white-on-black rape. [319]

Because interracial rape is now overwhelmingly black on white, it has become difficult to do research on it or to find relevant statistics. The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the way it presents rape data obscures the racial element rather than clarifies it. Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University, had to sift carefully through the data to find that in 1988 there were 9,406 cases of black-on-white rape and fewer than ten cases of white-on-black rape. [320] Another researcher concludes that in 1989, blacks were three or four times more likely to commit rape than whites, and that black men raped white women thirty times as often as white men raped black women. [321]

Interracial crime figures are even worse than they sound. Since there are more than six times as many whites as blacks in America, it means that any given black person is vastly more likely to commit a crime against a white than vice versa.
 



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317. "What Should Be Done," US News & World Report (August 22, 1989), p. 54. See also Department of Justice, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1987 (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1989), p.7.

318. Department of Justice, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1987.

319. Gary D. LaFree, "Male Power and Female Victimization: Toward a Theory of Interracial Rape," American Journal of Sociology, Vol. 88, No. 2 (September 1982).

320. William Wilbanks, "Frequency and Nature of Interracial Crimes," submitted for publication to the Justice Professional (November 7, 1990). Data derived from Department of Justice, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1987, p. 53.

321. Andrew Hacker, Two Nations, pp. 183, 185.

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May 08, 2007
How come white men never rape black women?
I have been asked to comment on this article at FrontPage Magazine, The Truth of Interracial Rape in the United States. Dennis Mangan has a blog post about the article and the controversy.

The article was based on the stats in a U.S. Department of Justice Publication documenting crime statistics in 2005.

There were 160,270 single-offender rapes/sexual assaults reported in 2005. 48.% of the offenders were black, an impressively high total considering that blacks are only 13% of the population.

What's more interesting is when the race of the victim is compared to the race of the offender. For the 111,490 cases where the rape/sexual assault victim was white, 33.6% of the time the perceived race of the offender was black, compared to 44.5% white.

But for the 36,620 cases where the rape/sexual assuult victim was black, 100% of the time the offender was reported to be black. (And we are told that 0% means 10 or fewer reported cases, so it's possible that there have been as many as 10 cases of non-black men raping black women in 2005.)

This is a pretty strange statistic if you think about it. There were approximately 74,029 rape/sexual assaults commited by non-black men, but in no more than 10 of these cases was the victim black? What's wrong with black women that no one wants to rape them? I'd think that 2% of the time the victim would be black so there'd be 1,480 cases of non-blacks raping blacks. But in fact, this happened 10 times or less.

Because only 31.4% of rapes are committed by strangers, the best way a black woman can avoid being raped is to only know white men. (This is not likely to happen, because black women aren't romantically interested in white men.)

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Empowerment by rape: the sexual holocaust

By Greg Kay
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In America, there is a sexual holocaust in progress even as you read this. An orgy of violent rape here at home dwarfs those comparatively recent accounts of rapes in Iraq and the Balkans, as well as the WWII Soviet invasion of Germany and Japanese occupation of mainland Asia. A deliberate program of violent sexual assault by one race upon another: it’s called interracial rape.

Virtually every case of Black on White rape qualifies as a "hate crime," by legal description almost without exception, due to the nature of interracial rape. Certainly every rape by a Negro perpetrated upon a White woman where he has had to leave his predominately Black neighborhood to find her would easily meet that definition. And not only because of the very real racial aspects, enhanced psychological and social consequences to the victim, for, in extreme cases, she may well be cut off from the members of her own society. The reason goes far beyond that.

It is often argued that rape is not a sex crime, but a crime of violence or of power and control. However, interracial rape, while it encompasses all such motivations, is something more. Black-on-White rape is usually a violent political act – a form of terrorism – the ultimate statement of the Black Power Movement that has disguised itself under an innocuous-sounding banner called "civil rights."

Consider this: being able to "take" the woman or women of someone else and use the same for one’s own gratification as an extension of the basic biological desire to breed that pits rutting animals against each other for favor of the herd’s females and passing on one’s genes, that is the ultimate statement of superiority; and the utmost denigration of the male or group to whom the woman in question belongs, as well as the woman herself. That act demonstrates not only to the victim, but also to the kin of both the raped and the rapist, that the rapist has power.

Both the Negroes and their liberal White and Jewish admirers, for having labored tirelessly to boost this race into a position of political power all out of proportion with its numbers and contributions to society, have long recognized one simple if media-overlooked fact: Black-on-White rape, as a political act, has always been part of the world view of radicals and Communists. For example, it was taught at the infamous Jefferson School – a well-known Marxist training center that sent many prominent American Communists of the ’60s to their activities – by Judeo-Communist historian Dr. Herbert Aptheker, among others.

Besides being listed as a noted leader in the Communist Party USA for decades, a delegate to Hanoi with Tom Hayden during the Vietnam War and father of Communist Party USA national committee member cum prominent feminist Bettina Aptheker, this Jewish professor Herbert Aptheker was also reportedly a close associate of the Black Panthers, one who maintained friendship with Panther leader Angela Davis, hence certainly in a position to know what he was talking about.

This rather strange Judeo-Communist attraction to, and alliance with, the Black Power Movement is not simply the product of comparatively recent sixties radicalism and Jewish Communists like the Aptheker Communist Party officers. It includes also radical Youth International Party (Yippie) leaders such as Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin and the closely related Progressive Labor Party (PLP), along with the Young Socialist Alliance (YSA) and Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), the leadership of all three groups having been heavy with leftist Jews. Then there was the Congress for Racial Equality (CORE) and Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee, both with key Jewish Marxist involvement at their founding. And all this is certainly nothing new. As far back as 1912, Israel Cohen referred to the total plot in A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century:

We must realize that our party’s most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by Whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the Whites, we will endeavor to instill in the Whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the Whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.

The dedication to this course of action is reinforced by the words of Rabbi Rabbinovich in Communist Hungary in 1952:

We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia or Africa. I can state with assurance that the last generation of White children is now being born. Our control commission will, in the interests of peace and wiping out inter-racial tensions, forbid the Whites to mate with Whites. The White women must co-habit with members of the dark races, the White man with Black women. Thus the White race will disappear, for mixing the dark with the White means the end of the White Man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples.

Additionally, we see that the majority of the founders and every president of the radical Black organization, the NAACP, from its inception in 1909 to well into the 1970s, were part of an unbroken stream of leftist Jews rather than Negroes; in fact, there was only one founding Negro (albeit a light-skinned mulatto Communist) on the board that founded the organization; most of the rest being Marxist Jews. One of (the known Marxist) Martin Luther King’s primary speech-writers and handlers was a Communist Jew named Levinson. Jews made up the majority of those "White" freedom riders, having bragged of giving more than 90% of the funding behind their so-called "civil rights movement," actually the Black Power Movement, that continues as a major factor in the destruction of our society particularly in the South. It should behoove every White man to research and deeply consider the hows and whys, and especially the implications behind this seemingly strange bedfellows alliance.

The American Communists denied at first that any Black-on-White rapes ever occurred, such reports being simply White capitalist propaganda. But when the facts of several cases became too obvious for even them to overlook, the party line switched to suggesting that such acts were not condemnable, rather a semi-laudable revolutionary statement by the most downtrodden sector of the proletariat against the privileged and corrupt elite; it was justified as a form of payback for all of those White-on-Black rapes they claimed had occurred both during slavery and after. To such leftists, the actuality of rape was less "criminal" than for its White victim to go reporting it to the authorities, reinforcing the "racist" stereotype. Thus the victim, in radical Marxist philosophy, became the oppressor – the rapist a brave and patriotic freedom-fighter throwing off his shackles.

The class of educated Negroes, many of whose most notable members were already either openly Communist or sympathetic to them, quickly picked up on this concept of rape as a justified revolutionary act. Radical Negro and Black Panther leader Eldridge Cleaver was quoted declaring so openly.

Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the White man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women – and this point, I believe, was the most satisfying to me because I was very resentful. I was getting revenge.

Black sociologist Calvin C. Hernton, in his work Sex and Racism in America, made the following statements:

"I am well aware that, like murder, rape has many motives. But when the motive for rape, however psychotic, is basically racial, that is a different matter. I think now that, at one time or another, in every Negro who grows up in the South, there is a rapist, no matter how well hidden." The reason for this, he quickly goes on to indicate, is not the fault of the Negro, but of the White man, thus reinforcing a required dogma of radical Communist philosophy.

Although the FBI was inexplicably reluctant to keep records of race in rape statistics for many years, there are other figures out there. Consider the implications of a study done in Washington, DC, a city with a Black majority, by one Dr. Hayman. Hayman, in the late ’60s and early ’70s, recorded the racial data of those women who came to the DC General hospital for medical examinations and treatment following reported rapes. His figures are disturbing. In this particular urban area, Black on Black rape accounted for 76% of all reported cases of violent sexual assault, while White on White rape made up 3%, and White on Black rape less than ½%. Astonishingly, Black on White rape amounted to 21% of the total, indicating very clearly that urban Blacks raped not only at a rate of 97 to 3 in comparison to the urban "White" population (a deceptive figure in itself, since the statistically much more crime-prone Mestizo-Hispanic population is considered White in most official reports), but that they are far, far more likely to choose White victims than a White rapist is to choose a Black victim.

In the ground-breaking study, The Color of Crime, the figures show that American Negroes in general are 38 times more likely to commit interracial rape than Whites (again, with Mestizo-Hispanics who have a much higher crime rate than ethnic Europeans counted as White) on a per-capita basis. In fact, even though Blacks make up a fairly small percentage of the population (about 13%), they commit the vast majority of all interracial crimes, including rape, in actual numbers of crimes. For instance, in 1994, Negroes committed 30,000 interracial rapes, while Whites (again, including Mestizo-Hispanics) committed only 5,400, despite a White population several times larger.

These and other studies have shown conclusively what interracial rape is. For all practical purposes, it must be seen that in the general public rape follows the same pattern as in prison, almost exclusively a Black on White phenomenon. Which leaves one with the question: "Why?" Are Blacks simply more culturally or genetically prone to rape than other ethnic groups? That answer, from all available statistics is obviously a resounding "Yes," but there’s more to it. Radical Blacks and their leftist defenders have given us that reason – but one we refuse to accept. Do they know something we don’t, namely that we’re in a war, not for "equality," as there can never be true and total equality in an artificially integrated society of two groups so very different, but a war for the supremacy of the one and total subjugation and ultimate destruction of the other, with no middle ground and no neutrality? Could it be that Caucasians, the White race, are in a war for their place in the world and, ultimately, for their very survival, and nobody has told them?

Or, worse, could it be they’ve been told many times – by voices "crying in the wilderness" – but chose not to hear?

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Racism! What a handy epithet those scapegoating racists hurl at this paper for printing the truth… – Ed.





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Re: The Ongoing Debates with Imerica
« Reply #222 on: June 04, 2007, 06:59:34 AM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrites' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or muscian) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?



That reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they put subtitles in for the two black guys speaking jive. Then later on, they needed to nun to speak to them and translate since she knew how to speak jive. Some of the funniest scenes ever!
I don't think it was a nun.  Just an old lady I think.  But, I do agree, quite a funny scene.

I thought the funniest moment in that scene was at the very end when he says, "Sh*t!" and underneath in subtitles, it says, "Golly!"
I think you've stumbled onto something, Daniel.

Wouldn't some of our problems in this country just dissipate if we all wore ticker plates that read a translation of what we're saying? The language barrier would disappear big time!
What about if we all just tried to speak english?
What exactly is a ticker plate?
Are you familiar with CNN and other news stations that might have the running ticker of other news at the bottom of the screen? That's what I'm referring to.
I know what you were referring to - I never heard it called a ticker plate before.
Be very CAREFUL of people whose WORDS don't match their ACTIONS.

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Re: The Ongoing Debates with Imerica
« Reply #223 on: June 04, 2007, 07:08:27 AM »
Erica,
Pay close attention in the last article above to Eldridge Cleaver's comments, which are from Soul On Ice by the way. This would have had to have been the predominate mindset of the slave owner if what you and other propagandists claim. And it was NOT.

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Re: The Ongoing Debates with Imerica
« Reply #224 on: June 04, 2007, 09:30:06 AM »
Tonight on an episode of Criss Angel (my husband watches his show) he had a group of 'celebrites' he took to a haunted hotel.
The group  was standing around talking and the black guy ( maybe he was an actor or muscian) is the only one who needed subtitles when he spoke his form of Ebonics.
How sad is that - an American - who needs subtitles to be understood.
Isn't that embarrassing?



That reminds me of the movie "Airplane" where they put subtitles in for the two black guys speaking jive. Then later on, they needed to nun to speak to them and translate since she knew how to speak jive. Some of the funniest scenes ever!
I don't think it was a nun.  Just an old lady I think.  But, I do agree, quite a funny scene.

I thought the funniest moment in that scene was at the very end when he says, "Sh*t!" and underneath in subtitles, it says, "Golly!"
I think you've stumbled onto something, Daniel.

Wouldn't some of our problems in this country just dissipate if we all wore ticker plates that read a translation of what we're saying? The language barrier would disappear big time!
What about if we all just tried to speak english?
What exactly is a ticker plate?
Are you familiar with CNN and other news stations that might have the running ticker of other news at the bottom of the screen? That's what I'm referring to.
I know what you were referring to - I never heard it called a ticker plate before.
They have belt buckles with the same concept out now. I didn't refer to the ticker at the bottom of the screen, just presenting an idea of one to be carried around on our person. The Cnn Ticker is just a ticker message .