"Israel is not apartheid": good or bad?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I live in Dearborn, Michigan.

Lol
 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Where do you get your knowledge then about Arab vs. Jewish professionals in Israel ? You speak allot of rubbish I must say. Allot of the Charedim do work BTW, not enough, but I believe most of them do work especially those who are in their late 20s or older then most of them leave kollel  and go to work.

And increasing numbers will be doing so because they cannot sustain the same system financially anymore.  So the attitudes to work will also change as you see more haredi men in 20' and 30' entering the workforce

[wonga66]

All skilled well-paying jobs in Israel require years of training and a Bagrut, which the Haredim don't have.

You don't get to become even an Egged bus driver without a Bagrut.

And Haredim, like all Jewish Israelis, categorically refuse to perform low-paying menial jobs, even if it means going hungry.

So it looks like Israel will have to retain a substantial non-Jewish force.

And increasing numbers will be doing so because they cannot sustain the same system financially anymore.  So the attitudes to work will also change as you see more haredi men in 20' and 30' entering the workforce

[Dr. Dan]

This is my understanding on the subject but I'm not speaking for JTF so anyone here who knows better just correct me:

1.  Offer compensation to non-Jews to leave.
2.  Those who are trouble makers get no compensation, they will be forcefully removed
3.  Those few who decide to stay, have no rights such as voting rights etc etc.  If they accept their status, they are peaceful decent people and accept Israel as the Jewish homeland and its laws, then they would live in Israel.
4. Jewish traitors forcefully are removed.
5. Jews who are worried about a Kahanist Torah govt will automatically leave to the Galut.

So what is the current official (as well as theoretical & realistic) JTF position about current teudat zehut-holding Arab citizens of the State of Israel (ie excluding those in Yesha)?


1. All Arabs to be expelled forthwith (with or without compensation)?

or

2. Only Arab troublemakers to be expelled?

and/or

3. Arabs (both Christian & Muslim) to have no political rights, made to take an oath of loyalty to the Jewish State, and to become compulsorily Judaized/Bnei Noach/Gerei Toshav (ie to be gradually weaned off Christianity and Islam) in accordance with the strict Halacha as laid out in Or Hara'ayon?

Or some variation of the above? Or something else, either more/less extreme/status quo?

Indeed, what is JTF's view about the >500,000 other non-Arab Israeli gentile citizens and legal workers eg Circassians, Druze, Armenians, Russians, Bosnians, Vietnamese, Negroidals (eg the infamous "Black Hebrews" of Dimona!), Romanians, Chinese, Thais, Philipinos etc etc, bearing in mind that all their jobs could be done by Haredi 'forced-labor'?

Does Chaim's opinion differ in any way from R.Kahane's, given the changed world since 1990?

[Dr. Dan]

Maybe B&H can employ them...

All skilled well-paying jobs in Israel require years of training and a Bagrut, which the Haredim don't have.

You don't get to become even an Egged bus driver without a Bagrut.

And Haredim, like all Jewish Israelis, categorically refuse to perform low-paying menial jobs, even if it means going hungry.

So it looks like Israel will have to retain a substantial non-Jewish force.

[Meerkat]

Wonga is biginning to sound like Ralph.

But He has a point about menial jobs Israelis aren't going to do. And really, it's bad if Jews can do more in the galut than they can in e"y. We could invite cheap labour from India, china, southeast asia, and former USSR to fill for the arabs.

[TruthSpreader]

Israel, apartheid? Please. Have you people ever looked toward Saudi Arabia, where you can't even build a church or a synagogue?

[wonga66]

Which is why the people behind this "Israel is not apartheid" campaign also made these two photos!

Israel, apartheid? Please. Have you people ever looked toward Saudi Arabia, where you can't even build a church or a synagogue?

[Rubystars]

What's considered a "menial" job? And why would people refuse to do a job that would sustain them and their families?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

All skilled well-paying jobs in Israel require years of training and a Bagrut, which the Haredim don't have.

You don't get to become even an Egged bus driver without a Bagrut.

And Haredim, like all Jewish Israelis, categorically refuse to perform low-paying menial jobs, even if it means going hungry.

So it looks like Israel will have to retain a substantial non-Jewish force.

Except you are in michigan and have no idea what is going on .

[wonga66]

We know that there is no such thing as truly 'menial' in this world.

But Haredim, like all other Israeli Jews, indeed like all Jews everywhere, won't sweep streets or clean stair wells no matter what, as it's 'beneath their kovod'. The breed of Sefardi Jewish Yemin Moshe washerwoman immigrant from Tunisia cleaning on her knees has gone forever, as has the old "Jewish work ethic" that R.Kahane so extolled.

What's considered a "menial" job? And why would people refuse to do a job that would sustain them and their families?

It is part of Hashem's plan that the Haredi populace now start to self limit, as their 10-15-20 children per family is finacially untenable for the new generation, being that the Haredim although nominally Torah observant, are 80% unworthy, still support "Land for Peace" in principle, are strongly anti-Kahanist, anti-Hill Top Youth and anti-Chaim: "The Haredim are IRRELEVANT!" (R.Kahane 1980), is still true today, and it will always be so!

[mord]

They have Jewish Sanitation workers in N.Y my friends cousin