Should Hidden Author Be Banned?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

"...he says Israel intentionally bombed the USS Liberty during the Six day war..."

It very well could be true.

Whom among us actually knows everything which took place during that war?

Massuh, I am losing respect for you extremely quickly. First your promotion of an obviously anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist, and now this crap?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Oh, and by the way, thank you, Jeffguy.

And also by the way, judging by the absolute lack of information anywhere on the Liberty "incident" outside of obvious Nazi propaganda sources, I am doubting that it ever happened. It could easily be an elaborate hoax to frame the Jews yet again--it isn't like that hasn't happened before this century. Fifty bucks says that John Gidusko freak is a paid Saudi or Arafatan agent.

[mord]

Book debunking the the Liberty incident by former Navy Avaiator     http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20021101fabook10027/a-jay-cristol/the-liberty-incident-the-1967-israeli-attack-on-the-u-s-navy-spy-ship.html


you can search the web and see how he takes apart the conspiricy that Israel attacked the Liberty  intententionally 


 http://www.libertyincident.com/book.html   

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I don't think it even happened at all. How difficult would it be to find a handful of flaming anti-Semites in the U.S. Navy (spp spp, the military is loaded with them!) who, for a couple of thousand dollars, would be willing to go around hawking a blood libel to any idiot with an open eargina?

Wake up, everyone. The Liberty incident is a modern-day Protocol. Nothing took place.

[mord]

But it did happen if you read this RET. naval avaitor you will see it was an accident

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Even then I am not convinced. These anti-Semitic conspiracies can be pretty intricate and detailed. It's not at all inconceivable that the ruse employs certain "straight guys" to make the claim look halfways credible (i.e. "respected" authorities who claim that it did exist, but was an accident).

That way, once it is a done deal that the people all think that it DID happen, it is very easy then to implant the idea that it was intentional.

I say b.s. to all of it.

[Mishmaat]

I don't think it even happened at all. How difficult would it be to find a handful of flaming anti-Semites in the U.S. Navy (spp spp, the military is loaded with them!) who, for a couple of thousand dollars, would be willing to go around hawking a blood libel to any idiot with an open eargina?

Wake up, everyone. The Liberty incident is a modern-day Protocol. Nothing took place.

I usually agree with you 99.999% of the time, but this really happened. It was not intentional and clearly a tragic accident. Nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, Hidden Author is such an obvious anti-Semite who cloaks himself in all of this psuedo-intellectual babble.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I usually agree with you 99.999% of the time, but this really happened. It was not intentional and clearly a tragic accident. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yirmi, the whole world will stop at nothing to frame Jews and make them look like the villain. Why don't you think it could be a fraud?

Who do you EVER hear discussing the Liberty event or giving "facts" about it besides Nazis?

Please... do tell me.

[Mishmaat]

I usually agree with you 99.999% of the time, but this really happened. It was not intentional and clearly a tragic accident. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yirmi, the whole world will stop at nothing to frame Jews and make them look like the villain. Why don't you think it could be a fraud?

Who do you EVER hear discussing the Liberty event or giving "facts" about it besides Nazis?

Please... do tell me.

Did you click the link provided by Mord?

http://www.libertyincident.com/index.html

To say it never happened would border on the delusional. To claim that Israel deliberately and knowingly attacked a U.S. ship and constantly dwell on it is indeed B.S. and what Nazis and Jew-haters do.

[cosmokramer]

There have been numorous papers made by the US ans Israel debunking that the Israelis bombed the USS Liberty intentionally. Also, wiki the USS Liberty. On the links you can find audio recordings of what the Israeli pilots say. You gotta know Hebrew though. Then again it is edited heavily. So it might not be as accurate.

[Shlomo]

"...he says Israel intentionally bombed the USS Liberty during the Six day war..."

It very well could be true.

Whom among us actually knows everything which took place during that war?

Massuh, are you serious? Have you lost your mind? This really pains me to see this...

Did you even listen to the show this week? Did you hear the part where Chaim said that he doesn't want people involved in JTF if they are stupid enough and anti-Israel enough to believe such garbage? I hope you weren't serious and that you clarify your statement.

cosmokramer, Hidden Author isn't banned YET. I probably wasn't clear with my post.

[MassuhDGoodName]

"...Chaim said that he doesn't want people involved in JTF if they are stupid enough and anti-Israel enough to believe such garbage?..."

I agree with Chaim.

That's why I don't have to clarify my statement at all, to you or anyone else, because my statement is "It could very well be true."

This exact situation, jeffguy; that of your audacity in "calling MassuhD to the carpet and demanding an explanation", is a classic case of cognitive disassociation syndrome:

I write the words "it could very well be true", but others read those exact words and in their brain understood only the words they had already preconceived and wanted to hear; and their warped translation bears no relationship whatsoever to the actual words I wrote.

I've read numerous and varying accounts of the situation, including that written by Barry Chamish.

I've also listened to numerous live interviews, ranging from those people claiming to be actual survivors of the attacked ship, to Israelis claiming all kinds of things about the situation, to a "sound recording; supposedly from the cockpit radio of one Israeli fighter pilot carrying out the attack" which miraculously surfaced in Washington a few years ago which immediately followed Israel signing on to another provision of a suicide treaty.

I've read Barry Chamish's journal report on the matter.

To date, the only thing I know for a fact regarding The LIBERTY incident, is that...

a) an attack on the USS LIBERTY happened, Israeli warplanes doing the attack, and

b) Jew-haters and false patriot types bring up the subject first, foremost, always, and to the exclusion of any other subject relating to Jews, as an idictment of ALL Jews.

MassuhDGoodName?...

HE believes only in Ha'Shem; all the rest he needs documentable and incontrovertible proof in order to believe.

Want to ban me?

Go ahead and do it.

[Lisa]

So Massuh, why then would Israel deliberately attack her only ally in the world?  It doesn't make any sense.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Yeah, Massuh, inquiring minds want to know why you are indulging this satanic nonsense.

[Joe Schmo]

"...Chaim said that he doesn't want people involved in JTF if they are stupid enough and anti-Israel enough to believe such garbage?..."

I agree with Chaim.

That's why I DON'T HAVE TO CLARIFY MY STATEMENT at all, to you or anyone else, because my statement is "It could very well be true."

This exact situation, jeffguy; that of your audacity in "calling MassuhD to the carpet and demanding an explanation", is a classic case of cognitive disassociation syndrome:

I write the words "it could very well be true", but others read those exact words and in their brain understood only the words they had already preconceived and wanted to hear; and their warped translation bears no relationship whatsoever to the actual words I wrote.

I've read numerous and varying accounts of the situation, including that written by Barry Chamish.

I've also listened to numerous live interviews, ranging from those people claiming to be actual survivors of the attacked ship, to Israelis claiming all kinds of things about the situation, to a "sound recording; supposedly from the cockpit radio of one Israeli fighter pilot carrying out the attack" which miraculously surfaced in Washington a few years ago which immediately followed Israel signing on to another provision of a suicide treaty.

I've read Barry Chamish's journal report on the matter.

To date, the only thing I know for a fact regarding The LIBERTY incident, is that...

a) an attack on the USS LIBERTY happened, Israeli warplanes doing the attack, and

b) Jew-haters and false patriot types bring up the subject first, foremost, always, and to the exclusion of any other subject relating to Jews, as an idictment of ALL Jews.

Thanks for clarifying your statement Massuh. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

OK then, if he is not banned yet, I would like to respectfully request that he is.

[Lisa]

First lets all skewer H.A. verbally, then we'll ban him.

[Shlomo]

"...Chaim said that he doesn't want people involved in JTF if they are stupid enough and anti-Israel enough to believe such garbage?..."

I agree with Chaim.

That's why I don't have to clarify my statement at all, to you or anyone else, because my statement is "It could very well be true."

This exact situation, jeffguy; that of your audacity in "calling MassuhD to the carpet and demanding an explanation", is a classic case of cognitive disassociation syndrome:

I write the words "it could very well be true", but others read those exact words and in their brain understood only the words they had already preconceived and wanted to hear; and their warped translation bears no relationship whatsoever to the actual words I wrote.

I've read numerous and varying accounts of the situation, including that written by Barry Chamish.

I've also listened to numerous live interviews, ranging from those people claiming to be actual survivors of the attacked ship, to Israelis claiming all kinds of things about the situation, to a "sound recording; supposedly from the cockpit radio of one Israeli fighter pilot carrying out the attack" which miraculously surfaced in Washington a few years ago which immediately followed Israel signing on to another provision of a suicide treaty.

I've read Barry Chamish's journal report on the matter.

To date, the only thing I know for a fact regarding The LIBERTY incident, is that...

a) an attack on the USS LIBERTY happened, Israeli warplanes doing the attack, and

b) Jew-haters and false patriot types bring up the subject first, foremost, always, and to the exclusion of any other subject relating to Jews, as an idictment of ALL Jews.

MassuhDGoodName?...

HE believes only in Ha'Shem; all the rest he needs documentable and incontrovertible proof in order to believe.

Want to ban me?

Go ahead and do it.

#1) MassuhD, you are not above "calling to the carpet". Your temper has got the best of you and you have gotten more vicious and angry each day. Kindness, MassuhD is what Ha'Shem calls for... not joking about sick garbage... not making fun of our fellow members... and not broadly diagnosing the members over the internet with a syndrome that licensed doctors should only diagnose. I think it's silly that you think such a huge percentage of the members have the same mental disorder and this does not help JTF.

#2) If these outbursts (like calling Rabbi Kahane a terrorist and a racist, G-d forbid) are some twisted form of humor, then perhaps you should consider whether you are actually making a contribution to this forum and if you actually think you are somehow above the other members. Personally, your arrogance is a problem and your comments have been harmful. I'm not so sure this is where you belong at this point.

#3) Barry Chamish is a crazy person. He is not someone you should get all your information from. He, definitely, does not carry this "documentable and incontrovertible proof" you desire.

#4) You have brought up the word "ban" several times now. I have never said anything about banning you. I even privately emailed you to see if there was something wrong or something I could fix for you. I have gone out of my way for you, MassuhD, and you are still being hateful and egotistical. I have a feeling you want to be banned and this is your way of pushing the line so you don't actually have to "make the choice" of leaving. What you are doing is unfortunate and people are losing respect for you.

I never thought I'd see this day. You are leaving me no other option. This is an official warning. I hope you have a change of heart.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

First lets all skewer H.A. verbally, then we'll ban him.

OK, would I have permission to make a poll about him?

I promise it will be clean--this time. 

[MassuhDGoodName]

jeffguy accuses MassuhDGoodName of the following:

"...like calling Rabbi Kahane a terrorist and a racist, G-d forbid)"

OK BIGSHOT ADMINISTRATOR: I"M CALLING YOU ON THE CARPET.

I NEVER EVER IN MY LIFE WROTE OR SPOKE SUCH A STATEMENT.

I DARE YOU IN FRONT OF ALL HERE TO PROVE THAT I DID...

EITHER YOU ADMIT THAT YOU'RE WRONG, OR YOU'RE A LIAR.

AND THEN I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT YOU YOURSELF FOR SOME REASON WANT ME OFF THIS FORUM VERY VERY BADLY.

MASSUHDGOODNAME

[MassuhDGoodName]

jeffguy threatens MassuhD with more innuendos & lies:

I never thought I'd see this day. You are leaving me no other option. This is an official warning. I hope you have a change of heart.

YOU CAN GO SCREW YOURSELF JEFFGUY!

YOU'RE A FRAUD AND FIRST-CLASS PHONY, AS WELL AS A CONTEMPTIBLE LIAR WITH SERIOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS.

signed,
MassuhDGoodName

[Shlomo]

Here is the post.

re:  "...and only a minority are performed by the Arabs, whose attacks he justifies by the way, Israel was involved in 9/11. These claims dont strike you as anti-Semitic?..."

The flawed thinking of those who immediately "call names" at both anyone investigating complex events in an attempt to determine the truth follows this pattern:

a.  Alex Jones is a loudmouthed "Professional Patriot" and "Professional Conspiracy Theorist" who prints anything without subjecting it to documentable scrutiny, and Alex Jones not only does not share a "Jewish World View", but makes statements so ignorant that for all practical purposes he appears to be an Anti-Jew.

c.  Therefore, if anyone investigating any and all sources of documentation to find out what happened to allow 9/11 to occur, has determined that the Official 9/11 Commission reveals many of the exact facts and circumstances which can be found on the websites of Alex Jones and thousands of others unassociated with him;

d.  It is therefore only logical and true that THE OFFICIAL 9/11 COMMISSION is a pack of lies and Jew-hatred and Anti-Semitism printed by a bunch of "Conspiracy Theorist 9/11 Truthers and Nazis", because only "scum like that" would agree with so much as even one word which Alex Jones has ever spoken or printed.

THIS IS THE TERRIBLY ILLOGICAL AND FLAWED THINKING OF ALL TOO MANY ON THIS FORUM.

Kahane was a terrorist and a racist.
I know so because the U.S. State Dept. and Southern Poverty Law Center say so.
Therefore, if you are reading this YOU also are a racist and terrorist.
Case closed.
That's all.
If you disagree you should die of cancer.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Massuh, you are playing exactly into Hidden Faggot's hands.

[Lisa]

Looks like Jeffguy proved his point about you calling Rabbi Kahane a terrorist.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I bet HF is looking at what this thread has become and is just laughing hysterically.