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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2013, 11:06:52 PM »
"So you are saying that the income of Israelis should be forcibly redistributed"

YES in the proper way. Again this is a complex issue. You want your society to be only based on free market and people spending $ a certain way and giving to charity when they want to, that is fine for your society. Our society is different.
That is Marxist fascism.

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About your churches, like I already told you I do not follow your ideology and that religion. I would not comment if someone is a good pastor or not because I do not recognize or follow the books of the "nt".
I don't know why you keep going back to this. Lots of Jewish JTF members criticize bad decisions by the Pope, etc. and Christians are not offended by it.

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About the sources from Rav Kahane, those who have sefer Or Harayon (In English) see chapter "Humlity, Submission and Lowliness" page 62,
see page 585 on "Capitalism".
p. 214 on Charity and how it is defined as obligation and not how the nations define it (as if the wealth belongs to them and not how we define it that G-D owns everything and he apportions how He sees fit and tells one how to distribute it) Also how the great sages FORCED those who did not give enough to give to the poor.
HaRav was talking about a true Torah government, not the current secular Nazi regime and evil, traitor, backstabbing "religious" parties that are only out for gelt that collaborate with it.

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« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2013, 11:08:54 PM »
Also to say that their are these complete antagonisms is also not correct. One such example is the nascent Sanhedrin that was formed. Although not perfect it has Rabbis and people from all the different sectors including the Haredim and the Dati-Leumi. Its first Samuch Rabbi Moshe Halberstam was from the "eida Chareda", yes that Eida. It also has Dati Leumi Rabbis like Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu Rabbi Steinzaltz and Rabbi Dov Levanoni, and many others.
 The Eida also instructs soldiers who come to them for Halachic decisions including practical decisions for the army service (what is muttar and what is not). if you want source I will send you what Rav from MachonMeir said on these matters.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2013, 11:16:54 PM »
That is Marxist fascism.


 I really dont care what you call it. I'm sick of hearing your inflammatory comments over and over.
   I brought the sources from Rav Kahane ZTL HYD. Its in his book, his book on Jewish laws and ethics.
 Your comments is why I said that you should not be involved in this. You are not a Jew, ookay? You do not share our culture and civilization. If someone from amoung my people disagrees they sure can, then can bring their proofs and support and we will work to arrive at the truth. That is how we operate. With you I bring something and you react in anger as if I was telling you what to do or saying how you should live your life with your people. You are the true "Marxist fascist" in this case because you are dictating how we, AM YISRAEL should live our lives and how we should go by your ways. We have the ways of G-D and the ways of His Torah and that is how we will dictate our society to be and not have outsiders tell us what should be done, ookay.

 would you be happy if Mexico or Canada told you how the U.S.A. should be run? And that is just people, we have G-D, the Prophets and the Hachamim. We will deal with our issues based on these sources.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2013, 11:35:34 PM »
Fine. I'm done with this. I said long ago we should agree to disagree.

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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2013, 03:29:08 AM »
I think "bread in 1 shekel" demonstrates the sort of populist irresponsible style of this party. There is no hunger in Israel. Everyone can afford to by the 5 shekel standard bread. That's 750 grams of not so healthy wheat bread and people shouldn't make it their main staple anyway.

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« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2013, 04:02:50 AM »
I think "bread in 1 shekel" demonstrates the sort of populist irresponsible style of this party. There is no hunger in Israel. Everyone can afford to by the 5 shekel standard bread. That's 750 grams of not so healthy wheat bread and people shouldn't make it their main staple anyway.
A dollar a for a loaf of bread sounds like a bargain already... At a quarter they might as well just give it away like the U.S government does with it's surplus cheese :::D  People need to work and be productive... I would be wary of political parties that advocate socialist ideas of subsidized food prices.
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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2013, 05:24:58 AM »
How can you say this about an antizionist ?

HaRav Amnon Itzhak is probably more ZIONIST than all of us together.. It's a simple fact. Look how he goes from country to country around the world to bring back Jews to the Holy Land (I didn't find this with English subtitles, sorry..) :


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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2013, 05:42:59 AM »
A dollar a for a loaf of bread sounds like a bargain already... At a quarter they might as well just give it away like the U.S government does with it's surplus cheese :::D  People need to work and be productive... I would be wary of political parties that advocate socialist ideas of subsidized food prices.
Sometimes these populist policies are outright destructive. Especially in the when it comes to healthcare. It is just ridiculous to promise a universal health insurance with everything covered for NIS20 (about USD 5).

Unfortunately the charedi politicians will often opt to provide basic low cost freebies for everyone over a more expensive and more selective allocation of resources for the few who really need it. For example the charedim forced into the budget free dental care for children,  and took the money directly from the fund which is meant to be used for very high cost life saving treatments.

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« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2013, 06:02:19 AM »
Sometimes these populist policies are outright destructive. Especially in the when it comes to healthcare. It is just ridiculous to promise a universal health insurance with everything covered for NIS20 (about USD 5).

Unfortunately the charedi politicians will often opt to provide basic low cost freebies for everyone over a more expensive and more selective allocation of resources for the few who really need it. For example the charedim forced into the budget free dental care for children,  and took the money directly from the fund which is meant to be used for very high cost life saving treatments.
Well we can see it here in the U.S with just 4+ years of the shvartza President's spread the wealth policies... Little or no recovery, more and more people seeking  government assistance because in the long run being productive and self sufficient is no longer a reasonable goal... The mindset has now become if you can't beat them join them... Let's face it, whats the point of breaking your back each day getting ahead and then having Uncle Sam or whoever coming in and taking half of your hard work in order to dispense it out to slackers... Before long the entire system is down the tube.
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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #59 on: January 13, 2013, 04:15:18 PM »
. There is no hunger in Israel.

 Their sure is. Go to Bnai Brak see for yourself. Go to Beitar Eilit ( "the Settlement") and see.

 Also even the U.S. government made school lunch programs to feed their children because when children grow up without the proper nutrition they wont function properly when they grow up (the brain and organs do not develop as well without the proper nutrition). The U.S. gov and military feed the children soo when they grow up and join the military they would be better fighters.

.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2013, 04:21:30 PM »
Their sure is. Go to Bnai Brak see for yourself.

 Also even the U.S. government made school lunch programs to feed their children because when children grow up without the proper nutrition they wont function properly when they grow up (the brain and organs do not develop as well without the proper nutrition). The U.S. gov and military feed the children soo when they grow up and join the military they would be better fighters.


Especially not in Bnei Brak. The Charedim are many things, but when it comes to feeding the hungry they are second to none. There is poverty and crowdedness in Bnei Brak, but there is no hunger.

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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2013, 08:36:07 PM »
Especially not in Bnei Brak. The Charedim are many things, but when it comes to feeding the hungry they are second to none. There is poverty and crowdedness in Bnei Brak, but there is no hunger.

It has nothing to do with the Charedim! The problem is the SYSTEM of the Bolshevik bureaucrat ESTABLISHMENT. Israel is a country of "Combinot" (as we say in Hebrew, meaning "shady business plans") to rob the citizens in every way possible.. Chaim talks about it too in some of his past shows.

It's ashame there are people who don't mind paying 17% more for each toothpick they put into their teeth, or 4 times the cost of 1L fuel to drive a car, or 30% more for all dairy products (that goes to the Kibutzim btw), or 110 shekels to the bank for each check that returns, or buying into all the "Adif/Silver/Gold/Platinum" insurances of the health maintenances, or paying 3 milliard shekels to cover up depts of the tycoons that use their mighty power not to pay - on our account, etc. etc. ..  I DO!
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« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2013, 09:24:31 PM »
http://www.therav.co.il/1-sshekel.html

Did not read it, it is saying in their opinion how to get the price of bread down to a shekel (writing in Hebrew). Posting because someone asked.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2013, 10:20:25 PM »
Looking at some different video's by him and his stances. Here is on the trade of Gilad Shalit vs. 1,000 + terrorists.
 I must say I am a lot more happy and glad to see him saying these things instead of the short-shortsightedness that some others have been saying over and over again.

 I hope I understood this video correctly, he was against the deal and brought examples such as Maran MiRotenburg.
  (This is in Hebrew) Rav Bar-Hayim has shiur and sources etc. etc. in English for those who need or want it. (Let me know).

 
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Rav Amnon Yitzhak party platform
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2013, 08:40:10 AM »
I hope I understood this video correctly, he was against the deal and brought examples such as Maran MiRotenburg.
  (This is in Hebrew) Rav Bar-Hayim has shiur and sources etc. etc. in English for those who need or want it. (Let me know).

Correct.