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Jonathan Shabbat
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Elisha's Make Believe Rules
« on: October 21, 2006, 10:29:30 PM »
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In light of some recent events I feel a need to clarify a few things about this forum and its purpose.
Revava operates this forum to serve the needs of like- and not-so-like-minded people who wish to discuss topics relating to Israel and the Jewish people. The forum exists to foster discussion and intellectual stimulation, not to 'rally the troops'. Revava is doing us a favor by providing us for a place to exchange ideas, presumably because it is in its best interest to foster such discussions. Note that the leaders of Revava themselves rarely post here.
Forum members need not have anything to do with Revava. I, a moderator of this forum, have nothing whatsoever to do with the organization. I am not involved with Revava or its leaders in any way, shape or form. I do not represent or necessarily ascribe to Revava's views, nor does Revava represent me. To me this forum is a place to discuss ideas. That the word 'revava' appears in the web address means nothing to me. If these posters were to relocate to another forum I would follow them.
This means that nobody need justify any sort of heterodoxy on his part. It also means that assigning Revava responsibility for anything written here is as senseless as expecting the owners of Rotter to be accountable for what other people write there. An organization can distribute free drinks; that doesn't automatically turn anyone who accepts a drink into an activist, affiliation which requires the organization to account for any of his actions. Views aired at Hyde Park don't represent the British government and neither does this forum represent Revava. This forum is likewise a public service and no more, although I assume it is helpful for Revava to have a community that it can reach when necessary.
Again, this forum is a place for discussions, not a party convention. There is no 'party line' for people to fall in line with, nor is Revava obligated to defend or explain anything written by a forum member.
Hopefully this message will (1) make it easier for newcomers to settle in, (2) clear things up for those who mistakenly believe everything written here to be the official position of the Revava organization.
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Jonathan Shabbat
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Re: Elisha's Make Believe Rules
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2006, 10:31:17 PM »
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They recently banned a long time member who has since relocated to JTF and this member posted all his old posts on a 6 page thread at JTF. Elisha drives away people and they turn to Elisha's self-declared enemies. He is just helping the people he works against.
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Re: Elisha's Make Believe Rules
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 07:18:52 AM »
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1. I dont know why this is being brought up here. we have already established that revava and its affiliates are a bunch of frauds theives and do everything in their power to harm important Jewsih causes and discredit important Jewish life saving efforts.
1. it seems elisha crossed haivris line when he banned nikmat dam. nikmat dam was a big supporter of haivri/revava and was recently banned by elisha so now haivri is trying to get him back by making elisha say publically that revava is not connected to the forum or that they do them a favor by letting them post there and so on as if haivri isnt in control. yada yada yada.
everyone knows that haivri is in full control of the forum and elisha was appointed by haivri to be moderator so i dont think that one will work and besides it seems as if nik is a genuine guy that really wants to help
jews so it makes sense that his place is not with revava.
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Re: Elisha's Make Believe Rules
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 01:22:48 PM »
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that makes no sense at all. what is the point of the organization having a forum then? why would they be connected? looks like elisha made a boo boo. thats what happen swhen you give a power hungry freak to much control. way to go elisha! kol hakavod! this should be a lesson to haivri for the future; if you hire someone destructive, eventually they will destroy you.
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Re: Elisha's Make Believe Rules
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 04:30:15 PM »
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its not like haivri is any better than elisha but who cares anyway. more important things to deal with
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Re: Elisha's Make Believe Rules
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2006, 06:01:29 PM »
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Elisha said there is no party line at Revava's forum. Then why does he delete messages that mention Yekutiel or JTF?
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Re: Elisha's Make Believe Rules
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2006, 06:43:08 PM »
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his whole last message was just a ploy to get one of their contributors back on the boat. he realized he screwed up and this was his retarded way of apologizing. just another revava scheme.
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Re: Elisha's Make Believe Rules
« Reply #7 on: Today at 12:29:40 PM »
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hi everyone i'm going to be here as well thanks to torahzionist telling me this site is now cleansed of filth... kach etc. is still not correct? anyway... as i posted on jtf... my response in brief to elisha's recently re-stated rules over at revavomit is as follows... they are all utter lies and prevaracations... as i never ever told anyone to stop posting on that site nor did i ever demand allegiance by anyone there to rav meir's line (as i was not in charge there and this was not my right)... nor would i have done this had i been in command... but i wouldn't have begun a site in the interset of all viewpoints either... for if i were to start one... i would have stated from the beginning: "this is for the promotion of pro-kahane ideas... anyone disagreeing and wishing to challenge us... may do so by all means... we are not afraid of any of you... but we are not here for you... we know he was right and so we are here to continue the fight and struggle... etc." (you get the idea)... by virtue of the fact that this is not so at a site supposedly begun by the brother-in-law of rav binyamin hy"d should have been a glaring and flaming red flag for me... i'm sorry i was so naive...
anyway back to elisha... so it is a lie that these rules needed re-iterating as i never violated them... i was banned for accusing yby and others of being plants and for calling the israeli power-structure and gov't. "slime"/ something i had done repeatedly for months on end without reprisal until last weekend... also the plant thing... i don't know about yby for sure... but it turns out the whole damn site is a plant... so i was dead-on... thank G-d i'm not dead period for being so stupid and so trusting... NEVER AGAIN!!!
lastly... if as he said... this site was open to all viewpoints... then why was i banned...? don't i have just as much right to express my opinion as anyone else...? and yet i was banned and harrassed there constantly... so he and they are all a bunch of big fat liars... period... end of statement by me on this for now...
but btym... i was really banned for angrily challenging the lunacy of a newbie goy... rory blackshyster or something who must be some new force and source of mullah for them and he didn't want this guy to bail because i could tear his arguments apart in my sleep... that is the real reason why i am banned and why david hasn't even bothered as before to go to bat for me or to even if he agrees this time to at least have the courage to answer my appeal to him directly like a man... coward!!!! they are all such utter slime just like the slime they work for... such a shame though... i really regarded him and yisroel and lenny as brothers... i thought the world of them... that is why i'm so livid now... they manipulated my love for the cause and my dedication and love for the kahanes... and for this alone i know they will all burn long and hard... for this deception and genevat da'at... nik. glad to be here as well... out...
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Re: Elisha's Make Believe Rules/ not just frat pranks...
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i need for you all to understand... i didn't go seeking out revava to join... they came to me in l.a. thru a mutual friend... i took them around town for several trips over several years... david had me write blurbs of their trips... and a book review for his har habayit book... and he personally asked me several different times to begin posting on his forum... i was there solely by his request... and because i thought we were tight... brothers-in-arms... etc. and as such... not that i should have been accorded special, preferential treatment... i was never looking for that... nor any recognition... this is why i am anon. but to be treated worse than everyone else...?! and now to learn that really david was directing this treatment of me behind the scenes thru elisha... this is very painful for me to have to accept... but it has to be the truth... i was betrayed right from the start... and they played with me... toyed with me... they went thru the ruse of having me banned and my appealing to david for re-instatement several times... at least on 7 or so separate occassions... this should be a warning to all of you... they are not just "a do-nothing plant org. to siphon-off funds and energy for the cause..." they are dangerous subversives whose orders are to sabatoge and destroy any hope of our succeeding in saving eretz yisroel and along with her... am yisroel... we are all in dire straits and in imminent peril and danger due to their existence and the evil power of their handlers and the slime erev rav gov't behind all of them... and the slime world gov.'t of amer. and britain over all of these... take stock... take a lesson from me... have nothing what-so-ever to do with them... they have to be shunned and exposed for the fraud which they are or they will hurt us all very badly and damage if not thoroughly destroy the dream we all share and work for... nik. out...
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Subject: New Personal Message: Rory Blackhand
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:01:46 +0000
You have just been sent a personal message by Yissachar on Revava
Discussion Board.
IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply
to this email.
The message they sent you was:
Shalom Nik,
1. There are ways to speak to people and ways not to speak to people.
When a newcomer to the forum takes initiative and opens a thread you
can't jump down his throat and ream him out as you did. You've gotta learn
to use Darkei Noam.
2. This isn't a Kahane forum. People can disagree with his teachings
freely without it being condemned as heresy.
3. When your post doesn't earn a response there's no reason to make a
post that says "Why are you guys listening to me??" That's not far from
spamming.
Kol Tuv.
o.k. so this started our little tet-a-tet... i had written in response a biting satirical article as to why this guy is off his rocker... but within reason... i just told him his "jordan is palestine" concept was not original and not acceptable... so then when yiss. sent me the above i backed down... and told him "fine"... but then when i went back to the thread and saw my response had been deleted in full and not just edited... i became outraged and began blasting away at yiss.' fascist streak... doing so for the umpteenth time and then he threatened to can me for good and said that this time even david haivri would'nt be be able to save me..."
well when i saw that e-mail to me i saw red... went completely livid... and i lashed back even harsher and posted each and every one of my diatribes and rants openly on the traitorous revava board (knowing full-well as i was doing so that i was going to be immediately banned for doing so)... nik.
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Subject: New Personal Message: Re: Rory Blackhand
From: "Revava Discussion Board" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:00:33 +0000
You have just been sent a personal message by Yissachar on Revava
Discussion Board.
IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply
to this email.
The message they sent you was:
This forum is meant to discuss ideas. The rules are at the top of the
page so that there won't be new threads dedicated to discussing those
rules or other matters relating to proper conduct.
Opening new threads to air your grievances is no different than
spamming. Write whatever you want to whoever you want via private messages.
Complain about me to the other mods, accuse newbies of heresy, whatever
you want - but through private messages. Anything that goes on the
public forum needs to be fit for the public, and frankly the public deserves
better than some of the posts you make.
and so then he sent me this... nik.
nikmatdam:
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Subject: New Personal Message: Re: Rory Blackhand
From: "Revava Discussion Board" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:33:46 +0000
You have just been sent a personal message by Yissachar on Revava
Discussion Board.
IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply
to this email.
The message they sent you was:
--- Quote ---why is that one of the rules...? what if it is true and can be
verified...? you are a sad loser and you are destroying the free
exchange of ideas here... just my low take on your authoritarian dictatorship
here which you said i could make privately but i should be allowed as
is my right as a free human being and jew to make public... privacy
rules in this setting only protect the guilty and the evil...
as far as i'm concerned you can go take a flying leap... as for me... i
will continue to write whatever i damn please... whatever i believe to
be true and important for my fellow jews to hear and i don't give a rip
if you "ban me for good" because if you do it will just be proof
positive of my contention that this site is being tampered with by the slime
gov't. and then as a matter of course this site won't be and is not
worth a damn and so it is not worthy of my posting here... so stick that
in your craw and choke on it awhile... nik. in a rage... out...
--- End quote ---
No, you will NOT write 'whatever you damn please', because this is a
forum of dozens of people and isn't your private club. I'm all in favor
of a free exchange of ideas, but your posts aren't "ideas" - they're
vicious rants.
i was banned they said for calling the is. gov't slime and for accusing some posters of being gov. plants...
to wit i dashed off the above little gem and received this kind message in return... and in it he gives you an inkling as to what viciousness i sunk to in blasting him in the first place to get both deleted and banned all in one fell-swoop... and so people... there you have it... ta... nik.
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