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davkakach:
Tzvi,
At first, I, too, was skeptical. But over the years I came to realize
that when JTF makes a statement, that statement is almost always
true, no matter how difficult it is for you or me to accept it.
JTF doesn't criticize fellow Jews lightly, and when it does, you
can be certain that it is justified.
JTF is the real deal, because Chaim performs the most
important Mitzvah in the entire Torah---he cleaves onto HaShem
and accepts unconditionally the yoke of heaven. Ultimately, JTF
will prevail, and those who oppose it, for whatever reason, will
not. JTF is the closest to what Kach used to be under the wise
and courageous guidance of Rav Kahane HY"D, and, again, the
fact that Noam Federman chooses to post his recorded programs
on JTF and not on other websites should speak volumes about
JTF's credibility.
Scriabin:
--- Quote from: davkakach on October 06, 2006, 10:32:07 AM ---...the fact that Noam Federman chooses to post his recorded programs
on JTF and not on other websites should speak volumes about
JTF's credibility.
--- End quote ---
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
GREAT post Davkakach!
Nahum:
What an interesting thread. What is even more interesting is that after Rav Kahane HY"D was kicked out of the knesset, he removed himself from Kach and tried to dismantle the organization. Baruch Marzel and Itamar decided to keep it going against the wishes of Rav Kahane HY"D. Im not saying that Marzel or Itamar are bad people because they are not. They are good leaders that are making a positive difference in the movement. Im just saying that at the end, not even Rav Kahane HY"D was part of the Kach approach. The problem today, with almost all the leaders, is that everyone that worked directly for Rav Kahane HY"D said that they were fulfilling and doing exactly what Rav Kahane HY"D would have done. What is a fact is that at the end of Rav Kahane's life, after he tried to dismantle Kach due to its ban from the knesset, he decided that maybe the israeli political approach was not working. His last book, "revolution or referendum" is proof to this claim. The idea of the State of Judea was Rav Kahane's last and final approach. This did not stop Kach NOR Kahane Chai from trying to enter the knesset again.
I happen to work for Yekutiel Ben Yaakov, AKA Mike Guzofsky. In regards to Kahane Chai or -there - after being an only english speaking american organization, that is simply incorrect. It was co founded in Israel by Binyamin Kahane HY"D and Guzofsky. There was a headquarters in Israel as well as the US. Many of the members where both Israeli and outsiders exactly the same as Kach was. In fact, most of the original members were Kach members. Even today, most of the people that i work with are Israeli born Jews.
I see myself as a more modern Kahanist. I was not around for the split not do i really care about it today. All I see, is a bunch of groups that have the exact same goal but different ways of accomplishing it. There are many grudges and rifts between the men that worked directly for Rav Kahane HY"D. That is not my business nor will it effect what i do or how i feel about the message. I attend event hosted by ex Kach members just the same as I do by ex Kahane Chai members. If i disagree with another groups tactics, it does not anger me because regardless it is a push in the right direction. ALTHOUGH, this may sound a little hypocritical but I am in full agreeance with you in regards to Revava. There is one moderator on the revava forum that I happen to like a lot and respect and i can not understand why he still works with the Revava people. They have proven time after time... nevermind. We all know what they have proven themselves to be. Jsullivan described them pretty well in his last post.
I have deep respect for Chaim and his endeavors and i wish him well in his goals today and in the future.
jdl4ever:
Nice post Nahum 8). I am a supporter of Mike Guzofsky and the kahane.org people and don't like a lot of JTF's approach but none the less I give my regards to Chaim since we are all aiming for the same goal.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
whats wronge with Revava or any of the guys their, will some 1 please explain to me, write it privatly to me or whateva, but not once was their a real reason of why revava is bad. maybe im not seeing something, or maybe people here have something personal, i dont know.
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