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John Alan Coey ys'v was an American mercenary who served in the Bush war and fought for Rhodesia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Alan_Coey

This is what his thoughts on Zionism were:
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His religious views also affected his views on Zionism: he believed that the State of Israel's existence prior to the Second Coming of Christ was contrary to scriptural prophecies, and that it should therefore be destroyed.

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Coey's parents received letters of consolation from across the world, including one from Lester Maddox, the segregationist Governor of Georgia, and another from the secretary of the far-right Liberty Lobby. Coey was never a member of any radical political group, but his life and death were still used as propaganda by some such movements: according to The Nation, Coey was "eulogized in the American Nazi paper", [27] and, on 4 July 1976, Willis Carto of the Liberty Lobby announced a posthumous award to Coey to commemorate the bicentenary of the United States.

Here is his exact quote regarding Israel and "the Zionist takeover of Palestine"
http://www.natalt.org/2013/01/08/the-choice-of-achilles-remembering-john-alan-coey/
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I’ve been going to Baptist church services. The Gospel is preached there, but I have decided to go elsewhere because these Baptists are convinced that the Zionist takeover of Palestine is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. They believe that the Second Coming of Christ is near, and think that they have the Revelation figured out completely. They expect to be “raptured” away from the coming terror to help Christ rule in the Millennium. I remind them of Christ’s words, “My kingdom is not of this world,” and ”No man knoweth the hour when the Son of God shall come again.” But they choose to ignore that. . . .
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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2013, 09:06:04 PM »
Just another replacement theology idiot. There are many more than this scum..

Israel is the land of the Jewish people, not of the calvanist species...
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2013, 09:23:14 PM »
Just another replacement theology idiot. There are many more than this scum..

Israel is the land of the Jewish people, not of the calvanist species...
WOW! That was kinda harsh! Yes, Israel is for the Jews. But, you might want to thank those " Calvinist species" for the country you live in... >:(
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Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2013, 10:19:56 PM »
Isaiah 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and they that harass Judah shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2013, 10:48:31 PM »
That's like saying we should think the "Palestinians" for Israel because according to some people they descend from Jews.
It's nothing like that, unless I'm miss understanding.  Did the Palestinians give the Jews a safe place to live?
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2013, 11:21:31 PM »
It's exactly like that.  If the modern Calvinists had their way, the Jews would not have a safe place to live either.
What? The old Calvinists were influenced by Jews. Who in which,  set up Americas law...
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2013, 11:27:22 PM »
It's exactly like that.  If the modern Calvinists had their way, the Jews would not have a safe place to live either.
Are you saying modern Calvinists want to wipe out Jews? And take Israel for themselves?
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2013, 06:22:00 AM »
http://www.calvinism.org.uk/The%20Church.htm 



The Church

 

The reformed have a very high view of the church, Saint Cyprian of Carthage famously said that "Outside the Church there is no salvation" and far from abjuring this doctrine Calvin held that "beyond the pale of the Church no forgiveness of sins, no salvation, can be hoped for". While the true church is the body of all believers this spiritual body also has a physical identity. It is through this physical body that the doctrines of the church are protected and taught, it is through this body that the discipline of believers is maintained and believers are discipled. It is through this body that the sacraments of the Church are performed and through which grace is dispensed. Only God knows who are his sheep and the Church contains both regenerate believers and unregenerate hypocrites. Both the regenerate and the unregenerate belong to the church but only the regenerate are justified by the blood of Jesus., Benefits are received by both, the unregenerate come under the preaching of the gospel and receive temporal benefits while the regenerate receive grace and both spiritual and temporal benefits.

It goes against the grain for the western mind to see any importance in anything but a persons individual decision but when Paul spoke to the Philippian jailor he stated that the Jailor should "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household", the household was "saved", not just the individual. At 2 Peter Chapter 2 the faithful are warned that there will be false prophets who will "bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who brought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction." The physical church contains both the regenerate and the unregenerate.

The key to covenant theology is that the church is not coexistent with Israel or a replacement for Israel, it actually is Israel and the Old Covenant saints are just as much part of the Church as are the saints of the New Covenant. Gentiles were able to join the people of God and those Jews who failed to follow Christ are no longer of Israel. The Jewish nation is no longer Israel in the eyes of God. This stark truth has often been used by fallen man as justification for anti-semitism and this is truly unfortunate, but the truth is the truth and modern day practicing Jews are no worse or indeed no better than the mass of unsaved humanity. The Old Covenant was between God and the descendants of Abraham, the sign of the covenant being circumcision, with the New Covenant being between God and the spiritual children of Abraham who are united to God through Jesus Christ, the sign of this covenant being baptism. God places great honour on the relationship between parents and children and family's being a means of grace, there is a grave responsibility on parents to bring their children up in the Church.


When God entered into his Covenant with Abraham he said: “As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations. This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised" (Ge 17:9-10). Circumcision was the sign and the seal of God's covenant with Israel. Galations 5:6 declares that circumcision now counts for nothing and on several occasions the New Testament baptism is contrasted with the now obsolete practice of circumcision. Baptism is said to be the sign and the seal of the new covenant.

Entry into the church is through baptism as a promise of the New Covenant. For this reason parents are to baptise their children who then become members of the Church, whether they are or will become regenerate members of the spiritual Church or merely temporal members of the physical church only time will tell.

The subject of baptism deserves an extended explanation as "believers baptism" is very fashionable in Evangelical circles as such a practice reinforces the genuine importance of the individuals response to the gospel (a good reason) and also resonates with western individualism (a bad reason). The New testament is largely silent on the subject, of course believers are to be baptised as they enter the Church. That is the same then as it is now however the question arises when parents follow Christ and are baptised should their minor children also be baptised? Repeatedly in the New Testament when someone accepted the gospel he was baptised with "his household". Opponents of paedobaptism (the baptism of children) claim that the households did not contain children but this is highly unlikely, Children are spoken to as if they are members of the Church and the promise inherent in baptism are mirrored by the promise inherent in circumcision.

Worship of God is the central activity of the Church and this brings us to one of the great distinctive's of Reformed theology, the much misunderstood Regulative Principles of Worship (RPW). the RPW is very unpopular in this day and age but unless the RPW is accepted there is no church. The RPW at its simplest is that whatever God has not specifically commanded in worship is forbidden. In the Tanach God repeatedly condemns Israel for not worshiping him in exactly the way that they were instructed and punishments are repeatedly meted out on Israel for its failings in this respect. The human mind is an idol factory and our innovations in worship come from our own sinful minds and fallen natures and will be idolatry. There are internal arguments as to whether the RPW allows the use of music, or whether any but Psalms can be sung in worship but these arguments accept the RPW and are debated within the RPW framework. What is clear is that worship is not down to personal preferences or cultural norms, it has to be in direct accordance with the word of God.What does this mean in practice? Well for a start choir solos are prohibited as are drama and instruction by Women, where the tension is usually felt is over new forms of music that seek to encourage emotion, the gospel is emotive enough when it is understood, if something feels good you have to ask yourself if it is your carnal nature that is being satisfied?
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Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2013, 07:33:07 PM »
Calvinists are all over the board. You can't judge all the same. Some are Nazi replacement theologians, others are pro-Israel evangelicals.

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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2013, 11:21:26 AM »
Calvinists are all over the board. You can't judge all the same. Some are Nazi replacement theologians, others are pro-Israel evangelicals.
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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2013, 12:20:08 PM »
True ulli was once a Calvinist before he became a member of the Plymouth Brethren
I haven't seen him on in a long time; where is he?

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Re: Antisemitism in Rhodesia was promoted by an American neo-Nazi from Ohio
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2013, 12:35:23 PM »
I don't know  i asked that question about a month ago.
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