Satmar Rebbe Of Williamsburg Sets Price Ceiling on Purchasing a Shtreimal

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

The sanest thing coming out of the mouth of a Satmarer (Rebbe).
 Perhaps in the not so distant future they can get rid of the Streimal altogether and everything it entails.



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A melave malka was held this past motzei Shabbos in the main Satmar Beit Medrash in Williamsburg, a yahrzeit seuda for the previous the Beirach Moshe of Satmar ZATZAL. The rebbe spoke of the simcha halls that were built in the community, permitting the tzibur to have chasenahs in the community at a reduced price. The rebbe then announced his new takanah pertaining to the cost of a shtreimal for a chosson. It is reported that while in Eretz Yisrael the shtreimal is relatively inexpensive, the ones purchased in Satmar in NYC are of a special fur and can run $6,000 – 7,000. In Eretz Yisrael many purchase a synthetic shtreimal, which will cost $1,000 and far more durable in the rain. The rebbe requested that the shtreimal for a chosson should not cost more than $2,500 and a chosson should only have one shtreimal. The rebbe added that with the assistance of askanim, he has spoken with shtreimal manufacturers and they promise to make one that will fall in this price range to accommodate the takanah. The rebbe added that from today forward, only the father of the chosson may purchase his son a shtreimal and not the father of the kallah, as has become the custom among a growing number of families
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[muman613]

What does it entail? It is simply a hat...

[Israel Chai]

What does it entail? It is simply a hat...

Mark-ups.

[Dr. Dan]

I didn't understand half of that article until I realized they were talking about the fur hat thingy.

Good thing for my ability to learn from context.

[kahaneloyalist]

The shtreimels you get in America are made from beaver or fox fur, which is very expensive.

[ChabadKahanist]

The sanest thing coming out of the mouth of a Satmarer (Rebbe).
 Perhaps in the not so distant future they can get rid of the Streimal altogether and everything it entails.



http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/228695/satmar-rebbe-of-williamsburg-sets-price-ceiling-on-purchasing-a-shtreimal.html

A melave malka was held this past motzei Shabbos in the main Satmar Beit Medrash in Williamsburg, a yahrzeit seuda for the previous the Beirach Moshe of Satmar ZATZAL. The rebbe spoke of the simcha halls that were built in the community, permitting the tzibur to have chasenahs in the community at a reduced price. The rebbe then announced his new takanah pertaining to the cost of a shtreimal for a chosson. It is reported that while in Eretz Yisrael the shtreimal is relatively inexpensive, the ones purchased in Satmar in NYC are of a special fur and can run $6,000 – 7,000. In Eretz Yisrael many purchase a synthetic shtreimal, which will cost $1,000 and far more durable in the rain. The rebbe requested that the shtreimal for a chosson should not cost more than $2,500 and a chosson should only have one shtreimal. The rebbe added that with the assistance of askanim, he has spoken with shtreimal manufacturers and they promise to make one that will fall in this price range to accommodate the takanah. The rebbe added that from today forward, only the father of the chosson may purchase his son a shtreimal and not the father of the kallah, as has become the custom among a growing number of families
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Why get rid of it?
It certainly looks nicer & more mechubad than the ripped up jeans & with the sandals & no socks & filthy feet that some dati leumi go with.
I don't wear one because in Lubatich the chasidim (except the Yerushalmi & those that originally came from other kehjilos that did)never wore them only the the Rebbe did & last Rebbe,ZT"L,ZY"A abandoned the practice for what ever reason.

[Israel Chai]

It's a beautiful story for the exile, that they took an object of shame that Jews were forced to wear and made it a symbol of pride, but what it says is "accursed exile in Russia" and "degradation of Jews". There is no coincidence of the exile mentality held by Satmar, or that they demand to be separate and see themselves as more special than any other groups. We need to have Jewish culture from Israel and Am Yisrael, not exile survival tactics and division.

That being said, I don't really care about the hat, but I am against people who take up the tradition, as it is a minhag from their fathers that is cumbersome, and really doesn't have any meaning for others.

[muman613]

It's a beautiful story for the exile, that they took an object of shame that Jews were forced to wear and made it a symbol of pride, but what it says is "accursed exile in Russia" and "degradation of Jews". There is no coincidence of the exile mentality held by Satmar, or that they demand to be separate and see themselves as more special than any other groups. We need to have Jewish culture from Israel and Am Yisrael, not exile survival tactics and division.

That being said, I don't really care about the hat, but I am against people who take up the tradition, as it is a minhag from their fathers that is cumbersome, and really doesn't have any meaning for others.

Many Chassidic Jews wear Streimels, not only Satmar...

I see no problem with wearing them.

[Israel Chai]

Many Chassidic Jews wear Streimels, not only Satmar...

I see no problem with wearing them.

Everything we do has an effect. What else are the effects of wearing this hat, and how are others affected?

[muman613]

Everything we do has an effect. What else are the effects of wearing this hat, and how are others affected?

What kind of effect does a hat have? Different Jews wear different head coverings. It is a matter of choice and also a matter of minhag.

We have different styles of Kippahs, and even in Israel some wear 'knitted kippot' and others leather kippot, and others those white kippot...

What effects do they have? I don't really think it is that important.

But yes, everything we do has an effect...

[muman613]

How do you think Jews should dress? Do we all have to wear the same thing? Should we all wear turbans because the Kohenim wore them?

I don't think Judaism should have a uniform... We can wear what we want to so long as it is tzniut (modest).

See Chabad answer here:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/494846/jewish/Why-do-the-chassidim-dress-in-the-manner-of-Russian-gentry.htm

[Israel Chai]

What kind of effect does a hat have? Different Jews wear different head coverings. It is a matter of choice and also a matter of minhag.

We have different styles of Kippahs, and even in Israel some wear 'knitted kippot' and others leather kippot, and others those white kippot...

What effects do they have? I don't really think it is that important.

But yes, everything we do has an effect...

Of course it's important. A kippah, for example, is a sign of humility, and that's important. The hat thing isn't a sign of humility, and though it sounds the same, it's a sign of pride despite humiliation and oppression, which is not the way; we have to be humble and polite and be free to do what we want no matter what the goyim tell us, not make do with what scraps we're left.

The symbol of pride only works for those whose ancestors wore those in Europe, and there's bad sides, but for someone who has nothing to do with it, everything to do with the hat is a reminder of either bad or irrelevant things, other than Yiddishkeit. Not forcing someone to do anything, but this doesn't help, as far as I can analyze thusly.

[Israel Chai]

How do you think Jews should dress? Do we all have to wear the same thing? Should we all wear turbans because the Kohenim wore them?

I don't think Judaism should have a uniform... We can wear what we want to so long as it is tzniut (modest).

See Chabad answer here:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/494846/jewish/Why-do-the-chassidim-dress-in-the-manner-of-Russian-gentry.htm

As for modesty, that hat may be so in Russia, but in 40o in Israel, you stick out like a sore thumb, and there is a modesty issue there.

Also, no uniforms for Jews. That's my point. If you're going to have one, though, at least choose one that says the right things.

[muman613]

As for modesty, that hat may be so in Russia, but in 40o in Israel, you stick out like a sore thumb, and there is a modesty issue there.

Also, no uniforms for Jews. That's my point. If you're going to have one, though, at least choose one that says the right things.

Like what? I also don't think there is any problem wearing a hat which others are wearing, it doesn't violate Tzniut... If you are the only one wearing it in order to get attention, maybe there is a violation of tzniut. But Striemels have been worn for 100s of years and there should be no issue of tzniut there...

What do you suggest Jews should wear?

[Israel Chai]

Like what? I also don't think there is any problem wearing a hat which others are wearing, it doesn't violate Tzniut... If you are the only one wearing it in order to get attention, maybe there is a violation of tzniut. But Striemels have been worn for 100s of years and there should be no issue of tzniut there...

What do you suggest Jews should wear?

Not a violation because of what you said, but the issue is there, and it would be a violation if only one guy wore that hat, you said, implying a modesty issue with it.

Also, like I said, it does symbolize their fathers' ability to stay proud in degrading circumstances, so they certainly aren't going to see me in a hat protest, but other Jews should wear kippot like other Jews, or any hat that doesn't attract attention.

[kahaneloyalist]

Why get rid of it?
It certainly looks nicer & more mechubad than the ripped up jeans & with the sandals & no socks & filthy feet that some dati leumi go with.
I don't wear one because in Lubatich the chasidim (except the Yerushalmi & those that originally came from other kehjilos that did)never wore them only the the Rebbe did & last Rebbe,ZT"L,ZY"A abandoned the practice for what ever reason.

The streimel was essentially a symbol of the Rebbe being the leader of Chabad. It was a special streimel passed down from Rebbe to Rebbe. But when the Frideker was niftar he had not formally designated the Lubavitcher Rebbe as his successor.

But the senior rabbis in Chabad and the masses of the Hasidim wanted the Lubavitcher Rebbe to lead. The only one who didnt want the Rebbe to lead was Chana Gurary, who desperately wanted her husband, Shemaryahu Gurary, to take over after the Friedeker.

Now Shemaryahu Gurary himself wanted the Lubavitcher rebbe to lead. But Chana was not happy about this at all. After a year the Rebbe accepted leadership, but the streimel had gone to Chaya Mushka Schneerson. She gave it to the Rebbe but out of respect for his sister-in-law he never wore it.