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We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« on: August 21, 2014, 05:40:17 PM »
He's the Rabbi Kahane of the generation:

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/eliana-benador-rabbi-yosef-mizrachi-on-the-war-against-hamas/#
Despite having lost almost 70 young soldiers during this war and after 3,488 rocket attacks between July 8 and August 10, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu still insists in negotiating with the Hamas terrorists.

Meanwhile, a fiery Israeli-born Rabbi from Monsey, New York, is becoming the lightning rod trying to do “kiruv,” salvaging Jewish souls from the grip of unorthodox Jewish currents and a ramping liberalism.

He addresses thousands each week, getting rave reviews. His audiences encompass men and women of different ages, economic background and cultural origins.

Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi is having increasing success in social media and an impressive hit count on his English, Spanish and Russian websites.

During a recent visit to New York, Mizrachi was kind enough to accept my invitation for an interview about the situation in Israel. Here is what he had to say:

So Many Jews are Democrats. How Does Judaism Identify with Democracy?

“Democracy is the antithesis of Judaism. It is one of the most corrupt political systems in the history of mankind and the exact opposite to what G-d prescribes and says in the Torah. For instance, the Torah says the leader has to be a perfect person, not a handsome movie star, or a multibillionaire. One of the greatest Jews, Moses, raised and groomed as the adopted Pharaoh’s grandson, was a shepherd who stuttered, and was not rich. On contemporary Israeli TV he would never have been able to make it and certainly he would not have become the most legendary leader in history.

“The Torah does not say that the majority should rule the minority just because they are the majority. On the contrary, it states that the minority must rule the majority for the simple reason that if you take 500 people, a maximum of 50 will be wise, clever, smart, or genius. The rest will be average or below average.

“Therefore, by the rules of Democracy, the ignorant would dictate the experts how to run the military, the economy, politics, and the justice system. In other words, the ignorant who are the majority and maybe are unable to read or write their name, would be in a position to decide for the people who have education, experience, and true leadership skills. That doesn’t make sense.

“In the vast majority of countries, the masses are not educated. For instance, if the Arabs were run by their ignorant majority, instead of the educated minority, we would be in an even more dire situation.

“Anyone with a clear mind can see that Democracy is a self-defeating, suicidal, and corrosive system of governance.”

And, About the Current Situation in Israel?

“Abu Mazen and his people, regardless of their opinion about Israel, concluded that they have to reach some kind of political agreement to end this conflict.

“Hamas, their supporters, and the people who voted for them have decided to fight this war against Israel. They do not want a solution because their leitmotif is to annihilate all Jews and Israel.

“While it may have been possible to make peace with Mazen and his partisans, Hamas’s intentions will never change and therefore any political solution will be doomed from the onset, making it impossible to conquer some peace at least for the next 10 to 20 years.

“That is why the problem must be solved in a war, because we must fight for our survival. There is no other solution.”

Your Opinion on Negotiating With Hamas?

“It is impossible trying to do civilized politics with Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.

“The conflict is based on their religion, which orders them to annihilate Jews and destroy Israel. Killing Jews is urgent for them because Israel is right in their midst.

“They are also holding slaughtering orgies of Christians, and as history repeats, the world is emphatically demonstrating their deafening silence.

“Muslims who do not obey the strict rules of sharia, or are from a different denomination, are also victims of serial butchering massacres at the hands of their savages.

“The barbarians do not care about life and they are proud to die, they don’t mind if tens of thousands of their people die. In average, they give birth to so many children that they show total indifference to how they live, who dies and how many die.

“The Koran tells them to destroy all Jews and that’s their agenda. How can you make any agreement with people who have this kind of agenda?

“There is, obviously, no other solution than be strong and disregard the complaints of the world, their politics, and their hypocrisy.

“No matter who would have to deal with this kind of threat – the United States, Germany, France, the United Kingdom, Russia, or any other country – it is sure that their response to it would be much more crushing than Israel’s.

“Remember what King Hussein did in Jordan during Black September in 1970, when the Palestinians tried to demonstrate against him? He killed them all in one single day and nobody heard a single complaint.

“In principle, in order to to minimize risks, an attack should be done from the air. A massive military action should solve the problem. In the Middle East, all else is a waste of time.

“If someone is coming to kill you, you must kill that person first.

“In a situation like the current one in Israel, where the government sends troops to face such a deadly enemy, the Torah explains that one is not allowed to risk Israeli soldiers to save the enemies who are seeking to destroy us.

“The Israeli military target the Hamas terrorists and if these decide to use their own women and children as shield to protect themselves, ethically speaking, they are solely and directly responsible for the death of their human shields. Not Israel.”

As part of the ethics of self-defense as appears in the Torah, Mizrachi explains further:

“Should a thief enter your home to steal and should he aim at you, at first, you should try not to kill him. Nonetheless, if you realize that he still could kill you, you must aim to neutralize him in an act of self-defense. However, once the thief is on the way out with the bounty, one cannot shoot him on the back, given that there is no longer a life-threatening risk.

“This is a rule of absolute self-defense, naturally also applicable in the case that a Jew wants to kill another Jew.

“When it comes to a Hamas terrorist, after unsuccessfully trying to kill you, and he is on his way out of the tunnel, at any rate, one has to shoot him because one knows he will return to finish the job and he will continue attacking others.

“Their agenda is to destroy the Jews and to destroy Israel. So there is only one solution.”

Is There Any Way to Make the Israeli Government do What Needs to be Done?

“Since it is a Democracy, there is not much to do until next elections. If people made the wrong choice, they are going to suffer the consequences.

“Given that Netanyahu is morally challenged, he always gives in to pressure from the left and from President Barack Obama. A phone call would suffice and he would immediately forget the sacrifice of almost 70 soldiers who were murdered by Hamas.

“Obama, Germany, France or the rest of the world are Netanyahu’s concern. If he would care about the Jewish people, the job would have already been done, but he is still ‘negotiating.’

“In a different country, the army would take over and place the prime minister under house arrest for ‘being a risk to the people,’ so the army would continue the job with or without him.

“The only thing that can be done is if half a million people put tremendous pressure on him and rally from morning to night, and tell Netanyahu ‘Finish the job. If not, your political life is finished,’ until he gets it.

“Netanyahu is no Itzhak Shamir [the former prime minister], who would have already finished the job, regardless of what the world says or thinks.

“If Shamir was the prime minister, Hamas would be history now. The problem is the poll-addicted politically correct leaders.”

Mizrachi illustrates with great clarity the ethical path that Israel should follow in the war against Hamas according to the over-three-millennia-old Judaism. The Torah and its uplifting teachings stand tall when compared to the Koran. This one, on the contrary, sends their followers to annihilate the dhimmis or non-Muslims, Jews and Christians alike, including Muslims who choose not to follow Sharia to the letter. Therein lies the insurmountable and abysmal differences between Judaism and Islam, civilization versus barbarism.

Eliana Benador: strategist consultant, adviser, opinion writer, and speaker, was founder of Benador Associates and is head of Benador International, based in Geneva, Switzerland. Her website is www.elianabenador.com. You may follow her on Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook.
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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2014, 06:41:52 PM »
I very much enjoyed his statements especially vis a vis Netanyahu.  However there is one exception which should caution you and all of us against thinking he could be a leader like Rabbi Kahane.  He said that it. May be possible to make peace with Abu Mazen.  Anyone with that thought process is not fit to be a jewish leader.  I hope he will rethink that misunderstanding because otherwise he is pretty intelligent.

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2014, 06:44:50 PM »
Democracy is not necessarily COMPLETELY incompatible with Judaism and I wouldn't call it the antithesis. The Torah does have democratic values in it.. He is right about it being incompatible when it comes to voting for leaders though because the majority of people are ignorant and fools. (Especially in Israel and the U.S.)

Here is a chabad article dealing with this issue.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1493834/jewish/Is-Democracy-Jewish.htm

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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2014, 06:47:48 PM »
I very much enjoyed his statements especially vis a vis Netanyahu.  However there is one exception which should caution you and all of us against thinking he could be a leader like Rabbi Kahane.  He said that it. May be possible to make peace with Abu Mazen.  Anyone with that thought process is not fit to be a jewish leader.  I hope he will rethink that misunderstanding because otherwise he is pretty intelligent.

When did he say this?

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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 07:03:53 PM »
When did he say this?

He said it in the article. I know many times he has said that everyone in Gaza is a terrorist, so you can't make peace there, and in response to the question "can we say "death to all Arabs"" he said no, because some Arabs aren't bad. Anyways, that statement isn't really saying that we should live with the a Fraudestinian state, it's just like now, they live there and aren't attacking. He already mentioned the statement that if you allow non-Jews to live in the land, you will be punished for what they do. Most important is the context of the statement, which is serving as an explanation to separate the Arabs that the readers say "they're good people" and the bad ones, so he's using the statement that peace between Israel and Fatah is a physical possibility to explain why Gaza needs to be destroyed. I think if you pushed him on that issue, you'd see that he takes the Torah position completely.

Also, you have to interpret the statement to get to the point you did, when I see "it may be possible" instead of "it is possible" as saying they will probably want to kill us because of all their factors, but they aren't all terrorists like in Gaza, just maybe 50-60%, so their government can keep their population from killing us and a peace is possible that way. Still press him on that, and I'm sure he'll say things off camera like he said to me that would impress you more than any other Rabbi I could name.
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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 07:30:18 PM »
Rabbi Mizrachi is great. But I hesitate to compare him to Rabbi Kahane. Nobody will ever be able to replace him, his contribution has been immeasurable. But we need a leader 'like' Rabbi Kahane and I think that is what you are asking for. I don't know if Rabbi Mizrachi has any political ambitions though (never heard him say anything about trying to run for office). Also I don't know if he is an Israeli or an American (I believe he was born in Israel and moved to America, though I am not sure of his citizenship status)...

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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 08:05:35 PM »
Rabbi Mizrachi is great. But I hesitate to compare him to Rabbi Kahane. Nobody will ever be able to replace him, his contribution has been immeasurable. But we need a leader 'like' Rabbi Kahane and I think that is what you are asking for. I don't know if Rabbi Mizrachi has any political ambitions though (never heard him say anything about trying to run for office). Also I don't know if he is an Israeli or an American (I believe he was born in Israel and moved to America, though I am not sure of his citizenship status)...

Lol everyone says we need a leader, so we need a leader. Nobody thought Rabbi Akiva who was illiterate until 40 would fight Rome.
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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 08:10:09 PM »
When did he say this?

It's in the article.

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 08:12:33 PM »
I'm sorry but anyone who says it is possible or worthwhile goal to make supposed peace with abu mazen is unfit as a Jewish leader.  This mindset has gotten Jews murdered maimed and injured for decades, and it is plain wrong.

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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2014, 08:35:55 PM »
I'm sorry but anyone who says it is possible or worthwhile goal to make supposed peace with abu mazen is unfit as a Jewish leader.  This mindset has gotten Jews murdered maimed and injured for decades, and it is plain wrong.

I don't see that he said what you suggest. He said 'It may have been possible to make peace with Abu Mazen'... This is in the past tense, so it implies that it is no longer possible to make peace with his faction... I don't see this as something to be concerned about. I don't believe that Fatach is any better than Hamas though.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2014, 12:16:34 AM »
We can work together on some issues with Rabbi Mizrachi but he can not be in any way a substitute for Rabbi Kahane.

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2014, 12:52:12 AM »
I don't see that he said what you suggest. He said 'It may have been possible to make peace with Abu Mazen'... This is in the past tense, so it implies that it is no longer possible to make peace with his faction... I don't see this as something to be concerned about. I don't believe that Fatach is any better than Hamas though.

What in the world are you talking about, muman?

It was never possible nor desirable to make supposed peace with abu mazen.   Rabbi Mizrachi (and it sounds like you are agreeing with him which I find shocking!) is parroting the narrative of the establishment (such as Bibi) which says that we can make peace with Abbas but not now that he has joined with hamas.
You are then also unfit to be a leader if you accept this fraud of a viewpoint.
No, we cannot make peace with arafat, we cannot make peace with abu mazen, I do not liike green eggs and ham, not in a boat or in a car - we cannot afford to make "peace" which all peace means is handing over money, weapons, sovereignty to terrorists and refusing to kill our enemies.   No, I do not like the arab fake peace, Sam I Am.

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2014, 12:54:39 AM »
What in the world are you talking about, muman?

It was never possible nor desirable to make supposed peace with abu mazen.   Rabbi Mizrachi (and it sounds like you are agreeing with him which I find shocking!) is parroting the narrative of the establishment (such as Bibi) which says that we can make peace with Abbas but not now that he has joined with hamas.
You are then also unfit to be a leader if you accept this fraud of a viewpoint.
No, we cannot make peace with arafat, we cannot make peace with abu mazen, I do not liike green eggs and ham, not in a boat or in a car - we cannot afford to make "peace" which all peace means is handing over money, weapons, sovereignty to terrorists and refusing to kill our enemies.   No, I do not like the arab fake peace, Sam I Am.

KWRBT,

No you read my post wrong again... See the sentence 'I don't believe that Fatach is any better than Hamas though.'... That is my opinion. I never believed peace was possible with Fatach... But some did. And that has been shown to be an erroneous conclusion.

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2014, 01:31:09 AM »
KWRBT,

No you read my post wrong again... See the sentence 'I don't believe that Fatach is any better than Hamas though.'... That is my opinion. I never believed peace was possible with Fatach... But some did. And that has been shown to be an erroneous conclusion.

And yet, despite it already having been proven false, this rabbi STILL holds of it?  That's exactly what I'm talking about.   And you say this is not something to be concerned with, about a potential leader of our people?!

You are saying I misread your post, but actually your post didn't make any sense because it was self-contradictory.   On the one hand you say that muman thinks fatach and hamas are no different.  But while Rabbi Mizrahi IS saying they are different, you say no problem.   

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2014, 02:38:11 AM »
I'm sorry but anyone who says it is possible or worthwhile goal to make supposed peace with abu mazen is unfit as a Jewish leader.  This mindset has gotten Jews murdered maimed and injured for decades, and it is plain wrong.
Yes.

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2014, 03:11:06 AM »
And yet, despite it already having been proven false, this rabbi STILL holds of it?  That's exactly what I'm talking about.   And you say this is not something to be concerned with, about a potential leader of our people?!

You are saying I misread your post, but actually your post didn't make any sense because it was self-contradictory.   On the one hand you say that muman thinks fatach and hamas are no different.  But while Rabbi Mizrahi IS saying they are different, you say no problem.

I do not consider him a leader of the Jewish people. I consider him a good Rabbi who is onto something good.

The overall message he conveyed is correct. There is no peace with people who want to kill us. Whether Rabbi Mizrachi thinks that peace was possible or not, to me it is irrelevant because it has been shown that there is no peace with Abbas and Fatach.

You should look at the good things which were said by the Rabbi rather than try to tear it down based on one thing you disagree with. He is not a 'leader of the Jewish people' at this time. I support what he says and think it can bring people to see that we must not accept peace with them, especially with the history we have witnessed.
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2014, 03:13:18 AM »
Yes.

But he did not think it is possible or desirable to make peace with them at this time. He said 'it may have been possible' which is clearly past tense, moving forward he says that there is no possibility.

While it may have been possible to make peace with Mazen and his partisans, Hamas’s intentions will never change and therefore any political solution will be doomed from the onset, making it impossible to conquer some peace at least for the next 10 to 20 years.

“That is why the problem must be solved in a war, because we must fight for our survival. There is no other solution.”




I do believe that there will be peace with them, when they are out of the land, far away... But I don't think we will wipe them out of existence.
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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2014, 06:16:09 AM »
Assuming the following quote attributed to Rabbi Mizrachi is accurate
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“While it may have been possible to make peace with Mazen and his partisans, Hamas’s intentions will never change and therefore any political solution will be doomed from the onset, making it impossible to conquer some peace at least for the next 10 to 20 years.
This shows Rabbi Mizrachi is not correct about an important Torah principle.
The Arabs of Israel have the status of the 7 nations of Canaan and the Torah does not want us to make peace with them. The Torah wants them removed from the Land!
If Rabbi Mizrachi thinks that in 10 years from now we can have peace with these evil people, it shows he is totally off on this subject.

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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2014, 08:30:17 AM »
I do believe that there will be peace with them, when they are out of the land, far away... But I don't think we will wipe them out of existence.
If that is true then how come (to give 1 example) Iran doesn't want to make peace with Israel, being "so far away".
Muman like it or not there will never be peace with them. If they're out of The Land of Israel they can kill no Jews but still hate and prepare for war.
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2014, 03:10:12 PM »
Assuming the following quote attributed to Rabbi Mizrachi is accurateThis shows Rabbi Mizrachi is not correct about an important Torah principle.
The Arabs of Israel have the status of the 7 nations of Canaan and the Torah does not want us to make peace with them. The Torah wants them removed from the Land!
If Rabbi Mizrachi thinks that in 10 years from now we can have peace with these evil people, it shows he is totally off on this subject.

edu, do you have a source for this? I cannot believe that Rabbi Kahane thought like this because I have heard his speeches and he said that he didn't want to kill them all, he wanted them out of Israel (far far away). I also have never heard a rabbi say that the current arabs in Israel are considered Caananite. Firstly we have said that the Caananites were decimated at the time of Joshua, secondly they claim to be Philistines (which were not a part of the seven nations), and third we consider them as descendents of Ishmael who were not Caananites. Could you provide a source for your claim that they are of the status of the 7 nations of Caanan?

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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2014, 03:13:46 PM »
It is a positive commandment to destroy the seven nations of Caanan, according to Rambam it is mitzvah #188... But according to Rambam these nations no longer exist.



http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/961561/jewish/Positive-Commandment-187.htm#footnote4a961561

Positive Commandment 188

The 187th mitzvah is that we are commanded to kill and destroy the seven nations [of Canaan]1 because they are the prime worshippers and original source of idolatry.

The source of this commandment is G‑d's statement2 (exalted be He), "You must wipe them out completely." [Scripture3] explains the reason for this commandment is to keep us from learning from their heresy. Many verses encourage and urge that they be killed, and waging war against them is a milchemes mitzvah [mandatory war].

Since these seven nations no longer exist4 a person could think that this commandment is not noheg l'doros [for all generations5]. But only someone who does not understand the concept of noheg l'doros would think such a thing. A command that can be fulfilled without being limited to a certain time is considered noheg l'doros, because if the act would become possible in any generation, the mitzvah would apply. When G‑d will totally destroy the descendants of Amalek and remove them for all time — as will be speedily in our days, as G‑d (exalted be He) promised,6 "I will wipe out the memory of Amalek" — will we say that the mitzvah to wipe out the memory of Amalek7 was not noheg l'doros? This is not true, for in any generation when one finds a descendant of Amalek, he must be killed. The same applies to this mitzvah of killing all descendants of the seven nations, which is a milchemes mitzvah. In every generation we are required to uproot them and search after them down to the last individual. We did this until King David destroyed them completely, with the survivors being scattered and assimilated among the nations until they disappeared.

But although they no longer exist, the mitzvah to kill them is still considered noheg l'doros, just as the mitzvah to wage war against Amalek is considered noheg l'doros even after their destruction. This is because it is not dependant on a certain time or place, such as in Egypt8 or in the desert.9 The mitzvah is dependant solely upon the object of the mitzvah: whenever they are found, the mitzvah must be fulfilled.

The general rule is that you must understand and contemplate upon the difference between the commandment itself10 and this that the commandment deals with.11 There are mitzvos where the object of the commandment has ceased to exist in a certain generation,12 but this does not render the mitzvah not noheg l'doros, since the commandment itself applies forever.

For a commandment to be considered not noheg l'doros, the opposite would be true. The specific object in the specific state does exist; but the obligation to perform the specific act or follow the certain law only applies at a certain time. Today, even though the object exists, the commandment does not. An example of this would be an elderly Levite, who was not allowed to serve [in the Mishkan] in the desert, but is allowed today, as we explained in the proper place.13 Be sure you understand this and keep it in mind.

FOOTNOTES
1.   Chitti, Emori, Canaani, Prizi, Chivi, Yevusi and Girgashi — Deut. 7:1.
2.   Deut. 20:17.
3.   Ibid., 20:18.
4.   See Hilchos Melachim 5:4.
5.   In the Third Introductory Principle, the Rambam explains that in order to be counted among the 613 mitzvos, the commandment must apply for all generations. Since the seven nations no longer exist, it would therefore seem that this commandment shouldn't be counted.
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I would like to hear the source to consider them one of the seven nations... I am not saying there is no source, but I have not heard it.
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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2014, 04:03:21 PM »
edu, do you have a source for this? I cannot believe that Rabbi Kahane thought like this because I have heard his speeches and he said that he didn't want to kill them all, he wanted them out of Israel (far far away). I also have never heard a rabbi say that the current arabs in Israel are considered Caananite. Firstly we have said that the Caananites were decimated at the time of Joshua, secondly they claim to be Philistines (which were not a part of the seven nations), and third we consider them as descendents of Ishmael who were not Caananites. Could you provide a source for your claim that they are of the status of the 7 nations of Caanan?

In or harayon. I can tell you exact pages later if you request it. And he also explains that the canaanim dpbt all have to be killed. They are fist given choice of peace then choice to leave and then if the fight they get killed.
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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2014, 04:10:15 PM »
One should not say, "Death to all Arabs" because not all Arabs are bad.

Rather we should say, "Death to all of the enemies of the Jewish People." 
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2014, 04:58:03 PM »
One should not say, "Death to all Arabs" because not all Arabs are bad.

Rather we should say, "Death to all of the enemies of the Jewish People."
Or  "Death to all Muslims". That would be more accurate.
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Re: We should work with Rabbi Mizrachi HOWEVER possible
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2014, 05:04:59 PM »
When it was said to work together what does that necessarily entail?
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

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