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Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« on: January 05, 2015, 02:12:59 AM »
Majority Of Israeli Jews Favor Continued Ban On Jewish Prayer At Temple Mount

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/187345#.VKo4UyvF-NA

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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2015, 09:27:39 AM »
The bolchevic regime reign supreme in Israel, the Israeli are paying with this Helenist regime in power doing everything to appease the arabs.

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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2015, 01:42:14 PM »
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The survey follows Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu declaration recently that his intention is to maintain the "status quo" at the site, whereby Jews are forbidden to pray as a response to Muslim pressure - despite round after round of Arab rioting.

The PM emphasized that Jews would continue to be allowed to visit, but than a ban on praying would remain.

I don't want to mingle myself in Israel's internal affairs, but it seems logical to me that, since the official religion of Israel is
Judaism,
  • non-Jews shouldn't get entrance rights to this Holiest Site at all
  • that any non-Jewish praying should be forbidden
  • that structures that are of non-Jewish origin shouldn't be allowed to further desecrate the holiness of the site and the capital
in concreto I would drive out all arabs with military force,
and demolish that building.
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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2015, 03:45:55 PM »
Most Charedim think that Jews shouldn't even enter the temple mount. I don't know if this poll factors them out or not. I think among Jews who know that the Charedim's ban on entering the temple mount is rubbish, most agree in principle that Jews should be able to pray on the site. In practice since we are collectively "chicken sh*t" it's unlikely to happen any time soon.

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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2015, 04:44:27 PM »
Most Charedim think that Jews shouldn't even enter the temple mount. I don't know if this poll factors them out or not. I think among Jews who know that the Charedim's ban on entering the temple mount is rubbish, most agree in principle that Jews should be able to pray on the site. In practice since we are collectively "chicken sh*t" it's unlikely to happen any time soon.
Arent Charedim Israeli Jews? If so, then they definitely count.

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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2015, 04:51:25 PM »
If they believe that Jews shouldn't enter the site because of halachic reasons it's a better reason then just forbidding Jews from praying because it upsets the Arabs.

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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2015, 06:40:26 PM »
If they believe that Jews shouldn't enter the site because of halachic reasons it's a better reason then just forbidding Jews from praying because it upsets the Arabs.
I am under the impression that a lot of Israelis do not consider the Arabs a true mortal enemy, but rather just "wayward brothers". You would know this better than me but didn't ROY say something to the effect that Jews and Arabs are brothers once?

It doesn't really matter what the reasoning is, this is sick and disgusting.

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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2015, 07:01:58 PM »
Not really, other then hard core leftist lunatics nobody think very highly on the Arabs. Sometimes we refer to them as cousins (as they are sons of Yishmael), that's not an affectionate name though. Ovadia Yosef DID NOT like Arabs at all. He actually at times condemned them, called them wicked and cursed them with yimach shmam.
I am under the impression that a lot of Israelis do not consider the Arabs a true mortal enemy, but rather just "wayward brothers". You would know this better than me but didn't ROY say something to the effect that Jews and Arabs are brothers once?

It doesn't really matter what the reasoning is, this is sick and disgusting.

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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2015, 07:10:35 PM »
I am actually proud of this poll. If you read the article you will discover that 40% of Israeli Jews favor doing away with the 'status quo' EVEN IF IT RESULTS IN BLOODSHED. That is incredibly motivating to me... Only 10% more to go to reach half of all Israeli Jews...



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Almost 40% of the Jewish population in Israel believes in changing government policy surrounding Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount - even at the cost of bloodshed, according to a survey by the "Peace Index" published Monday by the Guttman Center at the Israel Democracy Institute and the Evens Program for Solution Conflict Resolution at Tel Aviv University.

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Segmentation by religiosity of respondents indicated that among traditional-religious, religious and traditional non-religious were the most supportive of changing the "status quo" regarding the Temple Mount, (respectively 49%, 46.5% and 44%), whereas among the secular and hareidi respondents, support was far lower (34% and 17%).

I do not worry about the Charadie opinion on this. They are against it due to Halachic considerations which according to my understanding is wrong, but they do want to pray at the Temple like all of us do... Yet they have been misled by rabbis who buy into the fallacious findings of cowards.
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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2015, 08:18:26 PM »
Most Charedim think that Jews shouldn't even enter the temple mount. I don't know if this poll factors them out or not. I think among Jews who know that the Charedim's ban on entering the temple mount is rubbish, most agree in principle that Jews should be able to pray on the site. In practice since we are collectively "chicken sh*t" it's unlikely to happen any time soon.

 That's because they.don't know the halacha in this topic as it was practiced for a long time. Like other things such as Techelit they are reluctant to " change"
  + their is a fear factor and.promotion of this "ban" becauas they dont want to upset the nations. This is also a big factor among the "Gedolim" . but maby of the average are just ignorant in this.
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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2015, 08:33:32 PM »
That's because they.don't know the halacha in this topic as it was practiced for a long time. Like other things such as Techelit they are reluctant to " change"
  + their is a fear factor and.promotion of this "ban" becauas they dont want to upset the nations. This is also a big factor among the "Gedolim" . but maby of the average are just ignorant in this.

I don't agree that it is similar to Techelit. Here there is genuine question as to whether the blue dye is the actual snail used to create the blue fringe. I still wear tzit-tzits w/o the blue because of this. But if there was a halachic agreement I would wear the blue dye which is believed to be techelit today.

According to Rambam it is OK to ascent the mount (avoiding the Holy of Holies and other areas forbidden by Torah).

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Poll: Most Israelis Favor Kapo Double Standard On Temple Mount
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2015, 04:24:58 AM »
Not really, other then hard core leftist lunatics nobody think very highly on the Arabs. Sometimes we refer to them as cousins (as they are sons of Yishmael), that's not an affectionate name though. Ovadia Yosef DID NOT like Arabs at all. He actually at times condemned them, called them wicked and cursed them with yimach shmam.
OK then I stand corrected. I thought he was more leftist than that actually, but you haven't been wrong on internal Israeli issues before.