Our JTF member ATTACKED in NYC!

[Daniel]

What in the hell are you talking about? Who's blaming cops instead of the people who actually committed the crime? That sounds stupid. I can't account for all of the wrong-doing that statistically black people do I'm  my own person and have NEVER been in trouble with the law. But I know that it happens. What I'm saying is that , sure, be wary of your surroundings and people around you but just because a black person hurts you, dont' blame it on the rest of the population of blacks who didn't hurt you and don't know you from Adam. I think you guys LOVE to think that I'm secretly thinking "White cops and white people are the reason for every bad thing." I've more than 200 times said that anyone who would commit crimes, no matter what race they are, should go to jail and be held accountable for their actions.

I swear, its like when I say "I hope they get life or do time in jail...or even have the same things done to them" after a black person commits a crime, all you guys hear is "blah-blah-blah- ". WHy is that?

REPEAT:


You're missing the point again, sister

It's not about pinning someone's crime on somebody else. It's about 'most likely behaviour' based on statistics. This is scientific and logical. Negros are 14% of the US population, but commit 69% of the crime. Therefor, they are 5 TIMES as likely to be criminal than non-negros are. It is prudent then to exercise more caution with negros than with whites.

So this means that we don't judge people as individuals but instead judge them according to how likely they are to commit a crime based on statistics.

[newman]

What in the hell are you talking about? Who's blaming cops instead of the people who actually committed the crime? That sounds stupid. I can't account for all of the wrong-doing that statistically black people do I'm  my own person and have NEVER been in trouble with the law. But I know that it happens. What I'm saying is that , sure, be wary of your surroundings and people around you but just because a black person hurts you, dont' blame it on the rest of the population of blacks who didn't hurt you and don't know you from Adam. I think you guys LOVE to think that I'm secretly thinking "White cops and white people are the reason for every bad thing." I've more than 200 times said that anyone who would commit crimes, no matter what race they are, should go to jail and be held accountable for their actions.

I swear, its like when I say "I hope they get life or do time in jail...or even have the same things done to them" after a black person commits a crime, all you guys hear is "blah-blah-blah- ". WHy is that?

REPEAT:


You're missing the point again, sister

It's not about pinning someone's crime on somebody else. It's about 'most likely behaviour' based on statistics. This is scientific and logical. Negros are 14% of the US population, but commit 69% of the crime. Therefor, they are 5 TIMES as likely to be criminal than non-negros are. It is prudent then to exercise more caution with negros than with whites.

So this means that we don't judge people as individuals but instead judge them according to how likely they are to commit a crime based on statistics.

Yes, if you want to live.

[Daniel]

What in the hell are you talking about? Who's blaming cops instead of the people who actually committed the crime? That sounds stupid. I can't account for all of the wrong-doing that statistically black people do I'm  my own person and have NEVER been in trouble with the law. But I know that it happens. What I'm saying is that , sure, be wary of your surroundings and people around you but just because a black person hurts you, dont' blame it on the rest of the population of blacks who didn't hurt you and don't know you from Adam. I think you guys LOVE to think that I'm secretly thinking "White cops and white people are the reason for every bad thing." I've more than 200 times said that anyone who would commit crimes, no matter what race they are, should go to jail and be held accountable for their actions.

I swear, its like when I say "I hope they get life or do time in jail...or even have the same things done to them" after a black person commits a crime, all you guys hear is "blah-blah-blah- ". WHy is that?

REPEAT:


You're missing the point again, sister

It's not about pinning someone's crime on somebody else. It's about 'most likely behaviour' based on statistics. This is scientific and logical. Negros are 14% of the US population, but commit 69% of the crime. Therefor, they are 5 TIMES as likely to be criminal than non-negros are. It is prudent then to exercise more caution with negros than with whites.

So if I were , let say (knock on wood because I wouldn't want to experience anything like this again) be gang raped by 5 white men, I should give them a break because "oh, they're in the minority of evil-assed white people in the country" ?

Nice try.

No. You wouldn't give THEM a break. But you'd be wrong to be scared of all whites because those rapists only represented a small minority of the white community.

If you were (G_d forbid) raped by negros , you would be CORRECT in being scared of all blacks because the negro criminals represent a MAJORITY of the black community.

Sorry........statistics.

Oh my! Your use of "wrong and correct in being scared" shows your true naivety on this issue. When someone is raped, they are traumatized for the rest of their lives, and any time they see someone who resembles their attacker is going to bring up a lot of raw emotions associated with the attack and the attacker. There's nothing "wrong" or "right" about these feelings. And you would actually go up to a rape victim and invalidate her feelings because they are associated with the statistically lower risk group? C'mon! That's so arrogant and invalidating! You obviously don't have a clue about the issues are behind being raped or being close to someone who has been raped. Statistics have very little comfort or meaning when these incidents happen to you.

[Erica]

What in the hell are you talking about? Who's blaming cops instead of the people who actually committed the crime? That sounds stupid. I can't account for all of the wrong-doing that statistically black people do I'm  my own person and have NEVER been in trouble with the law. But I know that it happens. What I'm saying is that , sure, be wary of your surroundings and people around you but just because a black person hurts you, dont' blame it on the rest of the population of blacks who didn't hurt you and don't know you from Adam. I think you guys LOVE to think that I'm secretly thinking "White cops and white people are the reason for every bad thing." I've more than 200 times said that anyone who would commit crimes, no matter what race they are, should go to jail and be held accountable for their actions.

I swear, its like when I say "I hope they get life or do time in jail...or even have the same things done to them" after a black person commits a crime, all you guys hear is "blah-blah-blah- ". WHy is that?

REPEAT:


You're missing the point again, sister

It's not about pinning someone's crime on somebody else. It's about 'most likely behaviour' based on statistics. This is scientific and logical. Negros are 14% of the US population, but commit 69% of the crime. Therefor, they are 5 TIMES as likely to be criminal than non-negros are. It is prudent then to exercise more caution with negros than with whites.

So if I were , let say (knock on wood because I wouldn't want to experience anything like this again) be gang raped by 5 white men, I should give them a break because "oh, they're in the minority of evil-assed white people in the country" ?

Nice try.

No. You wouldn't give THEM a break. But you'd be wrong to be scared of all whites because those rapists only represented a small minority of the white community.

If you were (G_d forbid) raped by negros , you would be CORRECT in being scared of all blacks because the negro criminals represent a MAJORITY of the black community.

Sorry........statistics.

This is what separates us, newman. The stats. If people focused on the fact that crime happens in every ethnicity and just protected themselves like normal instead of saying, since most blacks rape, murder, rob and deal drugs, a lot of our youth wouldn't be afraid to come toward the white man to ask him for help. They assume that you think these things of them and refuse to ask help because you may treat them like criminals. That's not their fault. Its the fault of those who actually commit crimes in the name of selfishness.

What do you say to those teenagers who you assume to have comitted crimes, had children at a young age, and such but haven't even experienced those things? I wonder?

[newman]

This is what separates us, newman. The stats. If people focused on the fact that crime happens in every ethnicity and just protected themselves like normal instead of saying, since most blacks rape, murder, rob and deal drugs, a lot of our youth wouldn't be afraid to come toward the white man to ask him for help. They assume that you think these things of them and refuse to ask help because you may treat them like criminals. That's not their fault. Its the fault of those who actually commit crimes in the name of selfishness.

What do you say to those teenagers who you assume to have comitted crimes, had children at a young age, and such but haven't even experienced those things? I wonder?

I say nothing because I've crossed the street when I saw them comming.

[Mstislav]

This is what separates us, newman. The stats. If people focused on the fact that crime happens in every ethnicity and just protected themselves like normal instead of saying, since most blacks rape, murder, rob and deal drugs, a lot of our youth wouldn't be afraid to come toward the white man to ask him for help. They assume that you think these things of them and refuse to ask help because you may treat them like criminals. That's not their fault. Its the fault of those who actually commit crimes in the name of selfishness.

What do you say to those teenagers who you assume to have comitted crimes, had children at a young age, and such but haven't even experienced those things? I wonder?

I say nothing because I've crossed the street when I saw them comming.

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[newman]

Oh my! Your use of "wrong and correct in being scared" shows your true naivety on this issue. When someone is raped, they are traumatized for the rest of their lives, and any time they see someone who resembles their attacker is going to bring up a lot of raw emotions associated with the attack and the attacker. There's nothing "wrong" or "right" about these feelings. And you would actually go up to a rape victim and invalidate her feelings because they are associated with the statistically lower risk group? C'mon! That's so arrogant and invalidating! You obviously don't have a clue about the issues are behind being raped or being close to someone who has been raped. Statistics have very little comfort or meaning when these incidents happen to you.

Now Danny Old Man,

Don't you try Erica's trick of throwing curve balls.

We're talking statistics and probability. Don't bring victim trauma into it.

[Daniel]

This is what separates us, newman. The stats. If people focused on the fact that crime happens in every ethnicity and just protected themselves like normal instead of saying, since most blacks rape, murder, rob and deal drugs, a lot of our youth wouldn't be afraid to come toward the white man to ask him for help. They assume that you think these things of them and refuse to ask help because you may treat them like criminals. That's not their fault. Its the fault of those who actually commit crimes in the name of selfishness.

What do you say to those teenagers who you assume to have comitted crimes, had children at a young age, and such but haven't even experienced those things? I wonder?

I say nothing because I've crossed the street when I saw them comming.

Newman, who taught you to think and behave the way you do? Does this come from your parents?

[Erica]

What in the hell are you talking about? Who's blaming cops instead of the people who actually committed the crime? That sounds stupid. I can't account for all of the wrong-doing that statistically black people do I'm  my own person and have NEVER been in trouble with the law. But I know that it happens. What I'm saying is that , sure, be wary of your surroundings and people around you but just because a black person hurts you, dont' blame it on the rest of the population of blacks who didn't hurt you and don't know you from Adam. I think you guys LOVE to think that I'm secretly thinking "White cops and white people are the reason for every bad thing." I've more than 200 times said that anyone who would commit crimes, no matter what race they are, should go to jail and be held accountable for their actions.

I swear, its like when I say "I hope they get life or do time in jail...or even have the same things done to them" after a black person commits a crime, all you guys hear is "blah-blah-blah- ". WHy is that?

REPEAT:


You're missing the point again, sister

It's not about pinning someone's crime on somebody else. It's about 'most likely behaviour' based on statistics. This is scientific and logical. Negros are 14% of the US population, but commit 69% of the crime. Therefor, they are 5 TIMES as likely to be criminal than non-negros are. It is prudent then to exercise more caution with negros than with whites.

So if I were , let say (knock on wood because I wouldn't want to experience anything like this again) be gang raped by 5 white men, I should give them a break because "oh, they're in the minority of evil-assed white people in the country" ?

Nice try.

No. You wouldn't give THEM a break. But you'd be wrong to be scared of all whites because those rapists only represented a small minority of the white community.

If you were (G_d forbid) raped by negros , you would be CORRECT in being scared of all blacks because the negro criminals represent a MAJORITY of the black community.

Sorry........statistics.

Oh my! Your use of "wrong and correct in being scared" shows your true naivety on this issue. When someone is raped, they are traumatized for the rest of their lives, and any time they see someone who resembles their attacker is going to bring up a lot of raw emotions associated with the attack and the attacker. There's nothing "wrong" or "right" about these feelings. And you would actually go up to a rape victim and invalidate her feelings because they are associated with the statistically lower risk group? C'mon! That's so arrogant and invalidating! You obviously don't have a clue about the issues are behind being raped or being close to someone who has been raped. Statistics have very little comfort or meaning when these incidents happen to you.

I took that personally Daniel... his response to me about sexual abuse and who to give a break to. For a long time after I was sexually abused, I trusted no one..not even women no matter what race they were. I remember in 4th grade, my teacher was particularly fond of me (he was a white man) and found it necessary to compliment me or keep me after school so that he could stare at me or touch my shoulder or call me "Baby". I was THAT close to being physically assaulted by him. But right after that, in 5th grade, a BLACK male teacher hit on me also. It was like I had "I AM BEING MOLESTED AT HOME...HAVE AT IT!" on my forehead. At 10 and 11 years old, stats don't matter, all that matters is that you're afraid of being hurt again. I didn't go "Oh, since my uncle molested me, my white teacher and a black teacher attempted to, I'm going to trust white people because more blacks than whites hurt me." I didn't have the mentality then to even think that way. Ratios and statistics didn't factor in at all because they didn't exist to me. But trauma did. That's why I think like I do today. I teach my daughters the dangers of trusting ANY man who may have designs on them. To run away from an uncomfortable situation because I wasn't taught the importance of keeping my innocence. So you see, sexual abuse, NEWMAN has less to do with what race is comitting the crime but how the victim deals with the situation and how they start to recover. Its CERTAINLY not by blaming an entire race for the wrong-doing.

[Daniel]

Oh my! Your use of "wrong and correct in being scared" shows your true naivety on this issue. When someone is raped, they are traumatized for the rest of their lives, and any time they see someone who resembles their attacker is going to bring up a lot of raw emotions associated with the attack and the attacker. There's nothing "wrong" or "right" about these feelings. And you would actually go up to a rape victim and invalidate her feelings because they are associated with the statistically lower risk group? C'mon! That's so arrogant and invalidating! You obviously don't have a clue about the issues are behind being raped or being close to someone who has been raped. Statistics have very little comfort or meaning when these incidents happen to you.

Now Danny Old Man,

Don't you try Erica's trick of throwing curve balls.

We're talking statistics and probability. Don't bring victim trauma into it.

Curveballs? No Newman! Rape is all about victim trauma! I dare you to tell a rape victim not to bring victim trauma into it! Don't try to bring Statistics into it!

[Erica]

This is what separates us, newman. The stats. If people focused on the fact that crime happens in every ethnicity and just protected themselves like normal instead of saying, since most blacks rape, murder, rob and deal drugs, a lot of our youth wouldn't be afraid to come toward the white man to ask him for help. They assume that you think these things of them and refuse to ask help because you may treat them like criminals. That's not their fault. Its the fault of those who actually commit crimes in the name of selfishness.

What do you say to those teenagers who you assume to have comitted crimes, had children at a young age, and such but haven't even experienced those things? I wonder?

I say nothing because I've crossed the street when I saw them comming.

Smart.

[newman]

This is what separates us, newman. The stats. If people focused on the fact that crime happens in every ethnicity and just protected themselves like normal instead of saying, since most blacks rape, murder, rob and deal drugs, a lot of our youth wouldn't be afraid to come toward the white man to ask him for help. They assume that you think these things of them and refuse to ask help because you may treat them like criminals. That's not their fault. Its the fault of those who actually commit crimes in the name of selfishness.

What do you say to those teenagers who you assume to have comitted crimes, had children at a young age, and such but haven't even experienced those things? I wonder?

I say nothing because I've crossed the street when I saw them comming.

Newman, who taught you to think and behave the way you do? Does this come from your parents?

Life experience, a grasp on reality and common sense. When you're all grown up, you'll have these things, too.

[Daniel]

This is what separates us, newman. The stats. If people focused on the fact that crime happens in every ethnicity and just protected themselves like normal instead of saying, since most blacks rape, murder, rob and deal drugs, a lot of our youth wouldn't be afraid to come toward the white man to ask him for help. They assume that you think these things of them and refuse to ask help because you may treat them like criminals. That's not their fault. Its the fault of those who actually commit crimes in the name of selfishness.

What do you say to those teenagers who you assume to have comitted crimes, had children at a young age, and such but haven't even experienced those things? I wonder?

I say nothing because I've crossed the street when I saw them comming.

Newman, who taught you to think and behave the way you do? Does this come from your parents?

Life experience, a grasp on reality and common sense. When you're all grown up, you'll have these things, too.

Newman, I have life experience. As I said, I've been attacked by gangs of blacks. I don't have any illusions about how safe certain neighborhoods are. I know better than to walk outside by myself at night in the neighborhood that I teach in. All I'm saying is that it's not accurate to make generalized judgments based on an entire group of people just based on your experiences of them. You need to judge people as individuals, as corny and cliche' as that might sound.

[Erica]

This is what separates us, newman. The stats. If people focused on the fact that crime happens in every ethnicity and just protected themselves like normal instead of saying, since most blacks rape, murder, rob and deal drugs, a lot of our youth wouldn't be afraid to come toward the white man to ask him for help. They assume that you think these things of them and refuse to ask help because you may treat them like criminals. That's not their fault. Its the fault of those who actually commit crimes in the name of selfishness.

What do you say to those teenagers who you assume to have comitted crimes, had children at a young age, and such but haven't even experienced those things? I wonder?

I say nothing because I've crossed the street when I saw them comming.

Newman, who taught you to think and behave the way you do? Does this come from your parents?

Life experience, a grasp on reality and common sense. When you're all grown up, you'll have these things, too.

That was a low blow, Newman. You're assuming that Daniel hasn't had life experiences or hasn't 'grown' because he's not spitting the vile you're speaking? Makes you look incredibly mature .

[newman]

Oh my! Your use of "wrong and correct in being scared" shows your true naivety on this issue. When someone is raped, they are traumatized for the rest of their lives, and any time they see someone who resembles their attacker is going to bring up a lot of raw emotions associated with the attack and the attacker. There's nothing "wrong" or "right" about these feelings. And you would actually go up to a rape victim and invalidate her feelings because they are associated with the statistically lower risk group? C'mon! That's so arrogant and invalidating! You obviously don't have a clue about the issues are behind being raped or being close to someone who has been raped. Statistics have very little comfort or meaning when these incidents happen to you.

Now Danny Old Man,

Don't you try Erica's trick of throwing curve balls.

We're talking statistics and probability. Don't bring victim trauma into it.

Curveballs? No Newman! Rape is all about victim trauma! I dare you to tell a rape victim not to bring victim trauma into it! Don't try to bring Statistics into it!

Your throwing another one.

I didn't bring statistics into a discussion about rape trauma.

You brought rape trauma into a discussion about statistics.

Try again, NO CIGAR.

[newman]

Newman, I have life experience. As I said, I've been attacked by gangs of blacks. I don't have any illusions about how safe certain neighborhoods are. I know better than to walk outside by myself at night in the neighborhood that I teach in. All I'm saying is that it's not accurate to make generalized judgments based on an entire group of people just based on your experiences of them. You need to judge people as individuals, as corny and cliche' as that might sound.

So you have no problem walking through harlem at 2AM, "'coz folks is just folks" and you'd wait and judge them as individuals?

[Vito]

Here's the VERY VERY simple truth - Every city that has a high black population has a high crime rate, every city that has a low black population has a low crime rate.

Same goes for Europe.

[Kananga]

It appears that Yasmine's attack is now being exploited by some members for the interest of promoting or validating their own bigotry.  How is this action any different then the motives of "race hustlers" so many of you despise?

[Erica]

This is what separates us, newman. The stats. If people focused on the fact that crime happens in every ethnicity and just protected themselves like normal instead of saying, since most blacks rape, murder, rob and deal drugs, a lot of our youth wouldn't be afraid to come toward the white man to ask him for help. They assume that you think these things of them and refuse to ask help because you may treat them like criminals. That's not their fault. Its the fault of those who actually commit crimes in the name of selfishness.

What do you say to those teenagers who you assume to have comitted crimes, had children at a young age, and such but haven't even experienced those things? I wonder?

I say nothing because I've crossed the street when I saw them comming.

Newman, who taught you to think and behave the way you do? Does this come from your parents?

Life experience, a grasp on reality and common sense. When you're all grown up, you'll have these things, too.

Newman, I have life experience. As I said, I've been attacked by gangs of blacks. I don't have any illusions about how safe certain neighborhoods are. I know better than to walk outside by myself at night in the neighborhood that I teach in. All I'm saying is that it's not accurate to make generalized judgments based on an entire group of people just based on your experiences of them. You need to judge people as individuals, as corny and cliche' as that might sound.

To this day, Daniel, I am wary about gangs of black teens hanging on the corner. I've had experience with gangs, in 7th grade, 6 boys chased me home with sticks, chains and other weapons because I bumped into one of them by mistake. I'm careful but I'm not out of tune with what happens in the community I came from. As a matter of fact, there are places in Chicago where if you're caught on the 'other side of the tracks' in a white neighborhood, you can be hunted like a dog by a gang of white thugs and beaten because 'blacks don't belong there'...Same in Mexican, black and other neighborhoods. Its stupid, really. Everyone who reacts to people in this way are ignorant and certifiably nuts, IMO.

I'm a little worried about what kind of neighbors we'll have when my husband retires in 4 years. When we buy our house in the suburbs of Illinois, will our white neighbors pass around a petition to get rid of us because we're black and drive nice vehicles? (Because you KNOW we must be drug dealers)... Living next door to someone like Newman would be my worse nightmare.

[Vito]

It appears that Yasmine attack is now being exploited by a some members for the interest of promoting or validating their own bigotry.  How is this action any different then the motives of "race hustlers" so many of you despise?

There are thousands of different ethnic groups throughout the world, and on this forum you only hear us complaining about two (African and Muslim). I think that that's a damn good like:dislike ratio.

[newman]

To this day, Daniel, I am wary about gangs of black teens hanging on the corner. I've had experience with gangs, in 7th grade, 6 boys chased me home with sticks, chains and other weapons because I bumped into one of them by mistake. I'm careful but I'm not out of tune with what happens in the community I came from. As a matter of fact, there are places in Chicago where if you're caught on the 'other side of the tracks' in a white neighborhood, you can be hunted like a dog by a gang of white thugs and beaten because 'blacks don't belong there'...Same in Mexican, black and other neighborhoods. Its stupid, really. Everyone who reacts to people in this way are ignorant and certifiably nuts, IMO.

I'm a little worried about what kind of neighbors we'll have when my husband retires in 4 years. When we buy our house in the suburbs of Illinois, will our white neighbors pass around a petition to get rid of us because we're black and drive nice vehicles? (Because you KNOW we must be drug dealers)... Living next door to someone like Newman would be my worse nightmare.

Now who's the biggot?

I'd rather live next door to you than White trash, but you'd rather live next to negro gangstas than me.

Interesting.

[Erica]

To this day, Daniel, I am wary about gangs of black teens hanging on the corner. I've had experience with gangs, in 7th grade, 6 boys chased me home with sticks, chains and other weapons because I bumped into one of them by mistake. I'm careful but I'm not out of tune with what happens in the community I came from. As a matter of fact, there are places in Chicago where if you're caught on the 'other side of the tracks' in a white neighborhood, you can be hunted like a dog by a gang of white thugs and beaten because 'blacks don't belong there'...Same in Mexican, black and other neighborhoods. Its stupid, really. Everyone who reacts to people in this way are ignorant and certifiably nuts, IMO.

I'm a little worried about what kind of neighbors we'll have when my husband retires in 4 years. When we buy our house in the suburbs of Illinois, will our white neighbors pass around a petition to get rid of us because we're black and drive nice vehicles? (Because you KNOW we must be drug dealers)... Living next door to someone like Newman would be my worse nightmare.

Now who's the biggot?

I'd rather live next door to you than White trash, but you'd rather live next to negro gangstas than me.

Interesting.

Help me  JESUS!!!! I wasn't saying that, idiot! I was saying that I'd rather not live next door to someone like you, peeking through your window to see if we're doing something too 'BLACK' or wearing something too "BLACK" or driving something too "BLACK" or saying something too "BLACK". I never mentioned living next door to gang bangers. WOW!

[Kananga]

I'm talking about how many here are taking advantage of Yasmine's painful ordeal to make blanket statements about schvartzas as a matter of self-interest.  How is that any different than your guy Jesse "Hymeetown" Jackson with his race baiting and shakin' down ole' whitey ?

[newman]

Help me  JESUS!!!! I wasn't saying that, idiot! I was saying that I'd rather not live next door to someone like you, peeking through your window to see if we're doing something too 'BLACK' or wearing something too "BLACK" or driving something too "BLACK" or saying something too "BLACK". I never mentioned living next door to gang bangers. WOW!

You type really 'black' when you're mad.

[Vito]

I'm talking about how many here are taking advantage of Yasmine's painful ordeal to make blanket statements about schvartzas as a matter of self-interest.  How is that any different than your guy Jesse "Hymeetown" Jackson with his race baiting and shakin' down ole' whitey ?

Black on white crime (as well as black on black crime) happens too often, it's disgusting. This isn't bigotry, it's anger over something that can easily be stopped if our leaders had a pair.