Should Cinco De Mayo Be Banned?

[shimon]

why should cinco de mayo be banned, should also yom haatzmauut be banned in America

[Khazan]

The behavior you're calling for is the same behavior the Nazis had towards the Jews. 

Your comparison is weak and NO excuse for insulting Yacov, who is a great Administrator!

You like to insult people, you insult Moses and now you call a righteous Jew a nazi!

Nazis killed innocent people, millions of innocent Jews. We DO NOT joke about nazis here!You cannot make this ghastly comparison because no one here is trying to cause a mass genocide like the nazis did and no one here advocated racial aryan superiority! Therefore there is no comparison!
 You can take your insults and keep them to yourself. You could have disagreed with Yacov without calling him a nazi that was very wrong.

And if you insist on calling Jews "nazis" then you're in the wrong forum. After the horrible things you said about Moses, and now this I really question what you are doing here!

And what did the Nazis do before they killed millions of innocent Jews?  Why, they banned Jewish holidays, just like Ben Rachamim wants to ban a Mexican holiday. 

[Khazan]

It was an honest question, and pragmatic at that.  The people who on the outwardly boast of their righteousness are usually the most kinky on the inside, doing G-d knows what when the door's closed. 

[Lisa]

Khazan, you just don't stop, do you?  I suggest you apologize immediately.  If not, Yehudit or I will ban you.  And that's a promise.

[MasterWolf1]

Khazan is losing out his welcome here, if he keep this up I too will support the ban.

[Archie]

Khazan is losing out his welcome here, if he keep this up I too will support the ban.

I don't support the ban. I don't support ANY banning!

And I don't support this trigger-happiness.

I support Rabbi Kahane, and I'm sure he would NOT support these behaviors.

Building mass movement? Really? With you guys at the helm?

[Lisa]

Archie, this is a religious forum.  Deragatory comments about Moses will not be tolerated.  Neither will asking other members about masturbation. 

[Archie]

Archie, this is a religious forum.  Deragatory comments about Moses will not be tolerated.  Neither will asking other members about masturbation. 

I hear you.

I just hate to see when members are threatened, in public discussions, by the staff.

By flexing out your power user's muscles in public like this, you alienate regular members like myself.

I'm just saying that this movement can't really grow unless everybody can fell safe to express their opinions, without the fear of being smacked behind the head all the time.

If someone steps out of line, a private warning is warranted. Not this finger pointing cr@p!

[Lisa]

Fair enough Archie. 

[Archie]

Fair enough Archie. 

Cool 

I like you Lisa 

[Dr. Dan]

i think it shoudl be ignored and treated like any other day..by doing that, people will not remember cinco de mayo.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Just ban illegal aliens and deport them.

It's not "Cinco de Mayo" that is a problem.

It's just the sheer numbers of illegal invaders who celebrate it which are our problem.

There are plenty of all-American citizens of Mexican descent, and like all other Americans, they have the right to celebrate their ancestral heritage if they choose.

We Jews are faced with a rather unique situation, because of all peoples we were without our ancestral land for two thousand years.

We to a greater or lesser degree honored our Biblical history and mitzvot, and only 60 years ago witnessed the rebirth of a Jewish nation in our native land.

The Irish and Germans have never considered that their ancestral homeland would be erased from the face of the Earth.

We Americans of Jewish ancestry certainly now can honor our ancestral homeland's unique history, the same as the Irish honor their heritage.

Those who "accuse" Jews of "dual-loyalty" are the same ones who stop in the checkout line at the grocery store to stare at the "latest scoop on Prince Harry or Lady Di".

'Nuff said.

[Archie]

Just ban illegal aliens and deport them.

It's not "Cinco de Mayo" that is a problem.

It's just the sheer numbers of illegal invaders who celebrate it which are our problem.

There are plenty of all-American citizens of Mexican descent, and like all other Americans, they have the right to celebrate their ancestral heritage if they choose.

Very good analysis! I agree with you 100% .

[cjd]

I have to disagree about these "threats" and how it will "put people off"

Khazan has been provocing everyone for months now. He's said some horrible sexual things against Moses that are just TOO horrible to even mention! In fact, the things he said are so horrible that even non-moderator members "pointed the finger" at him and told him that he should stop and warned that he should be banned. And then he calls a righteous member a nazi and doesn't stop.
As a moderator I DO have to call someone who does something like that "out" and I am sorry if it bothers people, but there is nothing I can do about it, it's my job. I have been given the task to stop that foul language and behavior.
And they are not "threats", they are warnings. And I repeat it, if someone insults Moses like that, I will tell them that I will have to ban them. We cannot just let it go and cannot send them PMs about it asking them to "please stop" for the sake of people not being "put off".
If a nazi troll comes in the forum to post nazi pictures, must we PM the person and "warn" them?
Also, many people told Khazan to stop insulting Moses and to apologize and he said "I will not apologize". Can someone like that be "warned" in PM ?

I understand your concern, it's very logical. But the important thing is that people don't get "threatened" I mean, you tell me how many people get "threatened" in the forum? (although it's actually warned, not threatened) How many people on the forum fear for their membership because they are "threatened" by us ? The reality is that the only ones who do get these warnings are nazi trolls , those who post porn, and people like khazan who have been warned several times and who post anti-Torah things. THOSE are the ones who get 'threatend" NOT regular good JTFers.
And many members agree with the warnings we give and are not put off by them.

So as long as people post things that are respectful to the Torah and post things that are not out of line, there is no need to worry about getting "threatened".
In other words, those who are good members have nothing to fear.

Before I leave I want to make some final points:

• These "threats" warnings we give are ONLY directed to those who are trolls, perverts, and insult the Torah in such a horrible manner and the non-moderator members AGREE with the warnings we give to those who are disrespectful. In fact many non-mod members actually request for the person to get banned.
  

• Someone may say they joined for what Rabbi Kahane believed in and not for people to get "threatened" and "banned" which is a logical and valid statement. However, what do you think Rabbi Kahane would do if he hears someone post horrible sexual derogatory things against Moses? Would Rabbi Kahane be ok with people making fun of Moses and other righteous Jews like that? I don't think so.

And finally, if it were a good member who was "threatened" then I would agree, but Khazan was warned repeatedly and he said he would never apologize. He was being too disrespectful and this is just something we must do. As bad as it feels, we must protect the forum and the good members, because they do not deserve to have someone like Khazan post such filth. Khazan is not a good example of someone who could be "warned" in a PM either. He was unremorseful and continued his perversion.


Darn,  I'm so sorry I took such a long page to write this. But I want you to understand that when these warnings are given, it's necessary and not done foolishly and people are not put off, because some report it and ask for us to stop them or to ban them. And that those who are not trolls, have nothing to worry about.

I could not agree more 

[Lisa]

I also agree with Yehudit.  It's our job to keep order on this forum. 

[nessuno]

I also agree with Yehudit.  It's our job to keep order on this forum. 

...and you all do an excellent job!

[shimon]

And what did the Nazis do before they killed millions of innocent Jews?  Why, they banned Jewish holidays, just like Ben Rachamim wants to ban a Mexican holiday. 

I am going to tell you just like it is. I had enough of this period! You are very disrespectful.
Your comparison is weak and YOU need to show Yacov proper respect (and be respectful to Moses). Yacov is a good righteous Jew. You have problems because you take everything so "seriously" and you make fun of everything!

Your comparison is not worthy of an answer. Yet, I will say it once and for all. The nazis planned mass genocide. The Europeans had been hunting Jews for many many centuries. Killing them, torturing them, humiliating Jews, taking their possessions and many many more horrible things!
The nazis just went a step further and plotted to put all Jews in camps and kill them.


The difference is simple:

-Jews in Europe had always been peaceful residents for many, many years.

-5 de Mayo is NOT even a holiday in Mexico, it is not celebrated in Mexico (only in one/two regions and by very few people). It's a farce "holiday" that illegals who have not been peaceful residents for centuries are making cities, states and other "mulitcultural" public agencies celebrate in other to be "culturally sensitive" to illegal aliens. Even St. Patrick's is celebrated by the descendants of LEGAL immigrants but 5 de mayo is a FARCE than people in Mexico don't even care about.

And YOU! You don't stop. You insult Moses, making sexually inappropriate comments about MOSES!! And then you call a righeous Jew in this forum a nazi?
This is my formal warning to you, I will have to ban you from this forum unless you stop these attacks. 

You messed up, your nazi comparison is vile and it doesn't work since there is no comparison. Apples and oranges. It's wrong and yet you still keep going.

So it's up to you

i have to say your arguments are extremely weak. who cares if Mexicans dont celebrate in Meixco. Cinco de Mayo has nothing to do with being culturally sensative but rather a Mexican victory against the French. FYI AMERICA supported Mexico during this war in the 1860's. Banning Cinco De Mayo would be near retarted since it would give  a reason for Mexicans to complain about unfairness( which they would rightfully have had). And does it really make a difference that Many millions of illegal immigrants are Mexican. Mexican legal immigrants also celebrate this holiday so you would have no justified reason for doing this. Banning an immigrants group cultural holiday is infact one of the most unamerican things to do. And i cant believe people would consider this.

[nessuno]

Must we worry about every group that complains about unfairness?
We are going to drown under the weight of 'political correctness'.
When did we start celebrating Cinco De Mayo anyway?  

[cjd]

And what did the Nazis do before they killed millions of innocent Jews?  Why, they banned Jewish holidays, just like Ben Rachamim wants to ban a Mexican holiday. 

I am going to tell you just like it is. I had enough of this period! You are very disrespectful.
Your comparison is weak and YOU need to show Yacov proper respect (and be respectful to Moses). Yacov is a good righteous Jew. You have problems because you take everything so "seriously" and you make fun of everything!

Your comparison is not worthy of an answer. Yet, I will say it once and for all. The nazis planned mass genocide. The Europeans had been hunting Jews for many many centuries. Killing them, torturing them, humiliating Jews, taking their possessions and many many more horrible things!
The nazis just went a step further and plotted to put all Jews in camps and kill them.


The difference is simple:

-Jews in Europe had always been peaceful residents for many, many years.

-5 de Mayo is NOT even a holiday in Mexico, it is not celebrated in Mexico (only in one/two regions and by very few people). It's a farce "holiday" that illegals who have not been peaceful residents for centuries are making cities, states and other "mulitcultural" public agencies celebrate in other to be "culturally sensitive" to illegal aliens. Even St. Patrick's is celebrated by the descendants of LEGAL immigrants but 5 de mayo is a FARCE than people in Mexico don't even care about.

And YOU! You don't stop. You insult Moses, making sexually inappropriate comments about MOSES!! And then you call a righeous Jew in this forum a nazi?
This is my formal warning to you, I will have to ban you from this forum unless you stop these attacks. 

You messed up, your nazi comparison is vile and it doesn't work since there is no comparison. Apples and oranges. It's wrong and yet you still keep going.

So it's up to you

i have to say your arguments are extremely weak. who cares if Mexicans dont celebrate in Meixco. Cinco de Mayo has nothing to do with being culturally sensative but rather a Mexican victory against the French. FYI AMERICA supported Mexico during this war in the 1860's. Banning Cinco De Mayo would be near retarted since it would give  a reason for Mexicans to complain about unfairness( which they would rightfully have had). And does it really make a difference that Many millions of illegal immigrants are Mexican. Mexican legal immigrants also celebrate this holiday so you would have no justified reason for doing this. Banning an immigrants group cultural holiday is infact one of the most unamerican things to do. And i cant believe people would consider this.

It should not be banned but it should not be rammed down the throats of the American people. Mexicans can celebrate it to their harts content.

[shimon]

but rather a Mexican victory against the French.

I'm sorry but in case you didn't know, 5 de mayo is was not a "victory" over the French. It was one won battle but then after "5 de mayo" the French TOOK Over Mexico anyways. There was no real victory. It's just a farce "holiday". If anything people should celebrate the REAL victory over the French 5 years after "5 de mayo".

And i cant believe people would consider this.

Too bad but it is a forum where people have many different opinions. Not everyone likes everything but it's not going to change.

yes but unfortuantely becuase of some unnamed moderaters different opinions are not allowed here. And another point who are you to tell people when a holiday should really be seperated. Some nations national holidays are losses in battle. So that it is another weak point.

[shimon]

yes but unfortuantely becuase of some unnamed moderaters different opinions are not allowed here. And another point who are you to tell people when a holiday should really be seperated. Some nations national holidays are losses in battle. So that it is another weak point.

Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about now.

your point that Mexicans should actually celebrate their victory instead of cinco de mayo

[shimon]

yes but unfortuantely becuase of some unnamed moderaters different opinions are not allowed here. And another point who are you to tell people when a holiday should really be seperated. Some nations national holidays are losses in battle. So that it is another weak point.

Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about now with your "unnamed moderaters" thing.

I think you're a little worked up with your "who are you" lecture, there buddy. I'm not the only one in jTF against the forcing of "5 de mayo":. I can have my own opinions, too bad if you don't like it but I fail to see how this 'who are you lecture" will help the universe.
In any events I could do the same and tell you "WHO ARE YOU to tell me what to think"
Geez, calm down dude. everyone is having a civilized discussion and then you come in with your telling people "weak arguments" and your "who are you" thing.
We must take a "chill" pill and remember that it's a forum of different opinions, period.

"forum of different opinions" in your dreams

[FULL METAL JACKET]

yes but unfortuantely becuase of some unnamed moderaters different opinions are not allowed here. And another point who are you to tell people when a holiday should really be seperated. Some nations national holidays are losses in battle. So that it is another weak point.

Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about now.

your point that Mexicans should actually celebrate their victory instead of cinco de mayo

Who cares really, let them celebrate what they want.

[shimon]

 i like this forum and have been on here since a few months after its creation. But i cant believe an american  jewish girl is saying that we should ban cinco de mayo. people have gotten kicked off this forum for saying less ofensive things

[Scriabin]

Stinko De Mayo!!!

That's what my Father says.

Great minds think alike.