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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: takebackourtemple on December 30, 2007, 10:31:15 PM
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The business card says Kosher Chinese Cuisine, but the second avenue also calls itself kosher. If this place is kosher, it is an example of how other kosher restaurants should run their business. The staff is professional, the food is good and the restaurant does not jack up the prices and cheat the customer because they think they have a monopoly. It is competitive enough with other area businesses that non Jewish people from off of the street can come in and order a meal without feeling ripped off. Assuming that this place is really kosher, we need more of them.
http://www.chinatownvegetarian.com
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I sent them an e-mail. Let's see if they get back. I asked them who certifies them Kosher.
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Did you eat there yet?
Did you notice any Orthodox Jews there?
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They have a 'kosher menu'.
Obvioulsly the pork isn't kosher.
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Based on this picture it seems Orthodox Jews frequent the place. Perhaps it really is kosher, though I am waiting for their email reply.
(http://www.chinatownvegetarian.com/26xmas_kosher.jpg)
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They have a 'kosher menu'.
Obvioulsly the pork isn't kosher.
They don't serve pork. The Pork, Shrimp and Lobster that appear on the menu are all imitations. This place is 100% vegetarian.
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If it is open on Shabbat then it's definately not kosher...
If it is actually closed on Shabbat and everythign is vegetarian, then most likely it is kosher...
there are a couple of Indian/Vegetarian kosher restaurants closed on Shabbat in Lexington Ave and the 20's area...good stuff...
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If it is open on Shabbat then it's definately not kosher...
That's not true.
The restaurant can be owned by a gentile and be open on Shabbat. The food is Kosher based on its ingredients and the way it's prepared. That's all that counts.
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If it is open on Shabbat then it's definately not kosher...
That's not true.
The restaurant can be owned by a gentile and be open on Shabbat. The food is Kosher based on its ingredients and the way it's prepared. That's all that counts.
But technically it is a Jewish business and gentiles are not supposed run a Jewish business on Shabbat unless it is directly transferred to the gentile and he/she keeps all of the money that day.
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And who said they don't do just that?
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And who said they don't do just that?
I have no clue..it woudl have to be written in the contract that whatever business takes place on shabbat belongs to the non-Jew...the question is that if this business is really being transferred, how can a rabbi oversee that the kashrut rules are continuing to take place (for example, the broccoli being washed adn clean properly etc etc) when it is shabbat and one must not work that day? Is there an Eruv in this area?
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I think it is they had one off main street in kew gardens it still might be there ,although i have'nt been there in a while
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There are two Dunkin' Donuts in Baltimore that are Kosher. Rumor has it they are starting a Kosher Subway. These places are run by non-jews but have a sink for berkat hamazone and a sign that states which rabbi supervises it. They are owned by non-jews and open on Saturday, however, most(but not all) of the religious community accepts them as Kosher.
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There is an unwriten rule that says that Jews have to eat Chinese food for Christmas.
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A kosher restaurant can NOT be open on Shabbat as the mashgiach (supervisor) has to be a Shabbat-observant Jew.
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There are two Dunkin' Donuts in Baltimore that are Kosher. Rumor has it they are starting a Kosher Subway. These places are run by non-jews but have a sink for berkat hamazone and a sign that states which rabbi supervises it. They are owned by non-jews and open on Saturday, however, most(but not all) of the religious community accepts them as Kosher.
But who watches to make sure that nothing unkosher is taking place on Shabbat?
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A kosher restaurant can NOT be open on Shabbat as the mashgiach (supervisor) has to be a Shabbat-observant Jew.
thank you!
Now from someone like me who is less observant, if i wanted to take someone to an authetically kosher restaurant, it woudl have to be some place that was not opened on Shabbat.
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Where are the qualifications for the mashgiach defined? The two Dunkin' Donuts places in Baltimore are accepted by most of the orthodox community as Kosher.
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A kosher restaurant can NOT be open on Shabbat as the mashgiach (supervisor) has to be a Shabbat-observant Jew.
NOT true. If the owner is Gentile some Hashkachot allow it to be open on Sabbath.
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A kosher restaurant can NOT be open on Shabbat as the mashgiach (supervisor) has to be a Shabbat-observant Jew.
NOT true. If the owner is Gentile some Hashkachot allow it to be open on Sabbath.
i don't know, but if i were looking for an authentic kosher restaurant, I woudl hope that the restaurant were closed on Shabbat even if owned by a gentile..and if owned by a gentile, the rabbi should be there..and if the rabbi can't be there on Shabbat when the restaurant is open, I will be questioning its authenticity. Quite frankly, if one wants to build a fence, this is a good one to build it on in my opinion.
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NOT true. If the owner is Gentile some Hashkachot allow it to be open on Sabbath.
Well none of the Hashkachot I follow do.
Maybe such places can be open if the food is prepared during the week, no meat is served and the kitchen is locked on Shabbat.
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The only ones I saw like that were in restaurants that don't serve meat and the Rabbi isn't there always but comes once in a while to check it out so the owners assume he could come randomly at any time and don't play games.
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The only ones I saw like that were in restaurants that don't serve meat and the Rabbi isn't there always but comes once in a while to check it out so the owners assume he could come randomly at any time and don't play games.
but if they know the observance of shabat they can bet their bottom dollar that most likely he won't show up even in teh vegetarian restaurant...one must clean the vegetables properly.
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Well, theoretically he can show up on Sabbath and step into the kitchen to simply observe that they are not fooling around so they fear that he may do this.
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Well, theoretically he can show up on Sabbath and step into the kitchen to simply observe that they are not fooling around so they fear that he may do this.
Is this permissable Shabbat? Since it is his actual job to do this?
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Well, theoretically he can show up on Sabbath and step into the kitchen to simply observe that they are not fooling around so they fear that he may do this.
Is this permissable Shabbat? Since it is his actual job to do this?
A rabbi does his job of running Shabbat services on Shabbat. Paperwork for the rest of the week just has to just be juggled so he doesn't get paid for what is done on Shabbat even though that is really what he is being paid for. Perhaps there is something similar for the Hashgucha?
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Well, theoretically he can show up on Sabbath and step into the kitchen to simply observe that they are not fooling around so they fear that he may do this.
Is this permissable Shabbat? Since it is his actual job to do this?
A rabbi does his job of running Shabbat services on Shabbat. Paperwork for the rest of the week just has to just be juggled so he doesn't get paid for what is done on Shabbat even though that is really what he is being paid for. Perhaps there is something similar for the Hashgucha?
good answer..as long as he isn't getting paid on that day and he isn't writing anything etc etc..
but still, i don't think it's right for a kosher restaurant to be open on shabbat unless it is connected to the synogogue.
however here is my other question. If it is run by gentiles and it is connected by teh synogogue and it isn't being authorized by another Jew, can they themselves kindle the fire themselves and serve this hot food to Jews?
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Often synagogues use non-jewish people to operate lights and air conditioners on Shabbat. Whether fire and electricity are the same is another issue though so if they are different, the case of using a shabbat goy does not apply.
My big question is whether a Jew really has to be involved for the food to be kosher. If a non-jew was able to perform the role of a mashgiach to the extent of how the torah commands the food to be prepared, could that possibly suffice? The biblical laws could all be followed by someone of another religion, but could all of the rabbinical ones be followed? If not, which ones.
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Often synagogues use non-jewish people to operate lights and air conditioners on Shabbat. Whether fire and electricity are the same is another issue though so if they are different, the case of using a shabbat goy does not apply.
My big question is whether a Jew really has to be involved for the food to be kosher. If a non-jew was able to perform the role of a mashgiach to the extent of how the torah commands the food to be prepared, could that possibly suffice? The biblical laws could all be followed by someone of another religion, but could all of the rabbinical ones be followed? If not, which ones.
i shoudl add another point about shabbos goys. Isn't written that everyone in one's household including the "slave" be put to rest on shabbat? I mean a shabbos goy is not a slave, but is still an employee of that Jewish household. It only makes sense that he/she doesn't work either.
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You just need to check if they have a certificate hanging on the wall. Usually they will display it.
And there's an Indian food place that's kosher here that is open on Shabbat because the owner isn't Jewish but passed his kosher tests. A Jewish person has to light the pilots on the oven, I think. It's a vegetarian place since a lot of Hindus eat there. They have the certificate hanging up by the door and lot of Orthodox people eat there.
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(http://www.chinatownvegetarian.com/low-bar.jpg) This says Tzimchoni (Vegetarian) in Hebrew and the English word Vegetarian written in Yiddish.
They'd have to have a lot of Chutzpa to put be Goyim, put Hebrew and Yiddish on their site, and not be Kosher...
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http://shamash.org/kosher/search.php
Buddha Bodai Kosher Vegetarian Restaurant Read Reviews (3)
Address/Phone: 5 Mott St. [map]
New York, NY 10013 UNITED STATES
phone: (212) 566-8388 fax: (212) 566-1717
Neighborhood: Chinatown
Metro Area: New York - Manhattan Metro area
Cuisine: Vegetarian Chinese
Cuisines: Asian / Chinese / Oriental / Sushi, Vegetarian
Price Range: $
Category: Vegetarian, Pareve
Additional Kosher Info: Orthodox
Hashgacha/Supervision: The Rabbinical Alliance - Rabbi Israel Mayer Steinberg
Last Updated By: rob smith ([email protected])
Last Updated On: 6/9/2006
Hours: 10:00am to 10:30pm
Web Page: www.buddhabodai.com
Rest Record Number: 03541
this record for Buddha Bodai Kosher Vegetarian Restaurant if you have more current information
Thanks for the clarification.
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I went to Buddha Bodai in New York and ate there with my family, they accept the Hashkafah. It is strictly vegetarian with no dairy or meat in the restaurant and it is run by Buddists who's religion prohibits them from eating meat. And for this reason any Orthodox Hashkafah is fine. They have imitation pork which tastes good I might add.
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As long as there's no meat and Gentile owned, it's permitted to be open on Shabbat.
But technically, vegetables like broccoli may contain bugs inside and if not washed properly, it may be deemed as unkosher by certain observant Jews. Thereore, soem vegetarian places are fair game...no?
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My brother and i share a house he's not kosher i am he once tried to bring none kpsher chinesse in the house i would'nt let him.I was eating kosher chinesse it was chicken in garlic sauce he said it was better then the none kosher more Garlic taste larger portion more chicken and the chicken was better as well as sauce.Btw some kosher chinnese use veal in place of pork i really don'nt eat veal