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Dearest Chaim,
Posted here is a repost of what I said in Yacov's Japanese thread here. I think he is mistaken about the historical Japanese people and nation.
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Yacov, you had better run this by Chaim. The Japanese are NOT good people, and were 100% behind Hitler and his Final Solution. Shintoism, just like Odinism, taught that they were a "master race", and the Japanese Tojo Nazis embarked on a holocaust against the Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, and countless other "untermensch" Asian nations. Millions upon millions of Asian peoples were savagely murdered on the spot by Tojo Nazi soldiers, or died even crueler, more protracted deaths in Japanese stalags or "comfort women" rape camps.
Do you know what the Tojo Imperial Marines (the Japanese SS) did to the American garrison in the Philippines that surrendered in 1941 during the Bataan Death March? Did you know that the favorite pasttime of Japanese soldiers stationed in the Philippines was to toss Filipino infants up in the air and "catch" them on the ends of their bayonets? My grandfather was an Army Ranger who served in the Pacific, and he told me of the favorite killing technique of the Tojo Nazis upon their POWs: the executioners would use an ultra-sharp katana sword to make dozens of tiny, fine cuts upon the length of their naked bodies, so that the victims would not bleed to death, but slowly lose all of their intecellular/lymph fluids and dehydrate painfully.
The fact that a few Japanese tolerated a miniscule number of Holocaust refugees does not in any way reflect positively upon the Japanese people. A couple of Germans sheltered Holocaust refugees too; does that mean the Reich was pro-Jewish?
The Japanese Nazis were hardcore Hitler-lovers in every imaginable way, and I have no doubt that the vast majority of Japanese who lived during WWII, and quite a few after, are rotting in Gehenom alongside their Aryan brethren. I have zero doubt that had there been a significant Jewish population in Japan, the Japanese would have enthusiastically partaken in the Final Solution.
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That was then C.F..
The Japanese are very pro-American people. These are not Muslims that have been living under Sharia law for 1400 years. WWII was a segment in Japan's history that is no more...
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That was then C.F..
The Japanese are very pro-American people. These are not Muslims that have been living under Sharia law for 1400 years. WWII was a segment in Japan's history that is no more...
It's only 'no more' because we smashed them (after fighting a war in the Pacific that cost tens of thousands of allied lives).
If the Japanese had not been defeated do you think they would be so 'nice' and pro-American today?
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That was then C.F..
The Japanese are very pro-American people. These are not Muslims that have been living under Sharia law for 1400 years. WWII was a segment in Japan's history that is no more...
It's only 'no more' because we smashed them (after fighting a war in the Pacific that cost tens of thousands of allied lives).
If the Japanese had not been defeated do you think they would be so 'nice' and pro-American today?
I doubt it, but that was three generations ago. They are still a proud, honorable, hard working people.. but they don't seem to have the imperial views they had in the past.
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That was then C.F..
The Japanese are very pro-American people. These are not Muslims that have been living under Sharia law for 1400 years. WWII was a segment in Japan's history that is no more...
It's only 'no more' because we smashed them (after fighting a war in the Pacific that cost tens of thousands of allied lives).
If the Japanese had not been defeated do you think they would be so 'nice' and pro-American today?
I doubt it, but that was three generations ago. They are still a proud, honorable, hard working people.. but they don't seem to have the imperial views they had in the past.
Lee Kwan Yu of Singapore once said he never trusted them. He said that while they could obtain wealth and power through trade we were safe. But should japan ever lose it's economic edge, he felt they would revert to war in nothing flat.
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They aren't "noble" and committed terrible war crimes during world war 2. However it depends on the individual people themselves, you can generalize about a nation but not insult a Japanese person singly unless you know their true character.
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That was then C.F..
The Japanese are very pro-American people. These are not Muslims that have been living under Sharia law for 1400 years. WWII was a segment in Japan's history that is no more...
It's only 'no more' because we smashed them (after fighting a war in the Pacific that cost tens of thousands of allied lives).
If the Japanese had not been defeated do you think they would be so 'nice' and pro-American today?
I doubt it, but that was three generations ago. They are still a proud, honorable, hard working people.. but they don't seem to have the imperial views they had in the past.
Lee Kwan Yu of Singapore once said he never trusted them. He said that while they could obtain wealth and power through trade we were safe. But should japan ever lose it's economic edge, he felt they would revert to war in nothing flat.
I think that any country with a high standard of living that suddenly went bankrupt would cause chaos and eventually civil war, possibly raising a dictator with false promises..
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בס''ד
I agree with CF. What the Japanese did in WWII were monstrous and unforgivable crimes against humanity.
Japan fought together with Hitler yimach shmo vezichro. If Japan had not been involved in WWII as Hitler's main ally, the war against Nazi Germany would have ended much sooner, and millions of Jews and non-Jews would not have been murdered.
To this day, Japan has a very anti-Israel and pro-Arab foreign policy. Polls show that most Japanese are anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
Like many ghetto-minded Jews, Tovia Singer loves to pretend that the Jews have all types of imaginary allies. Singer considers the Canadian Conservative party politicians to be pro-Israel, despite the flagrantly anti-Israel policies which Canada has always pursued when the Conservatives are in power. And Singer praises the Japanese because some of them saved a handful of Jews. However, if Japan and Nazi Germany had won WWII, the entire Jewish people would have been exterminated. And 6 million Jews were exterminated in part thanks to Japan fighting fanatically in an unspeakably evil alliance with Hitler.
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That was then C.F..
The Japanese are very pro-American people.
They were TAMED with some atomic bombs for that.
8;)
These are not Muslims that have been living under Sharia law for 1400 years. WWII was a segment in Japan's history that is no more...
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That was then C.F..
The Japanese are very pro-American people. These are not Muslims that have been living under Sharia law for 1400 years. WWII was a segment in Japan's history that is no more...
It's only 'no more' because we smashed them (after fighting a war in the Pacific that cost tens of thousands of allied lives).
If the Japanese had not been defeated do you think they would be so 'nice' and pro-American today?
Well said, newman.
With a bit of thinking,
anybody could come to that
simple and clear conclusion.
O0
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That was then C.F..
The Japanese are very pro-American people. These are not Muslims that have been living under Sharia law for 1400 years. WWII was a segment in Japan's history that is no more...
It's only 'no more' because we smashed them (after fighting a war in the Pacific that cost tens of thousands of allied lives).
If the Japanese had not been defeated do you think they would be so 'nice' and pro-American today?
I doubt it, but that was three generations ago. They are still a proud, honorable, hard working people.. but they don't seem to have the imperial views they had in the past.
Lee Kwan Yu of Singapore once said he never trusted them. He said that while they could obtain wealth and power through trade we were safe. But should japan ever lose it's economic edge, he felt they would revert to war in nothing flat.
I think that any country with a high standard of living that suddenly went bankrupt would cause chaos and eventually civil war, possibly raising a dictator with false promises..
Isn't this apologetic towards...anything ?!...
???
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Should JTFers also avoid Japanese products as much as possible? I would never intentionally buy any German products. Should we apply the same standard?
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Should JTFers also avoid Japanese products as much as possible? I would never intentionally buy any German products. Should we apply the same standard?
That's a LOT of products to boycott.
Would you prefer products made in China? I wouldn't. And many American companies supported the Nazis (IBM, Ford, etc) should we boycott them?
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I think Jews are hated by everyone so if we will end up with almost no products to buy. I don't think general motors has any jew hating history and now that Chrysler/jeep has been sold off by Daimler, I don't think they are evil either. I know Ford is Nazi though.
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Should JTFers also avoid Japanese products as much as possible? I would never intentionally buy any German products. Should we apply the same standard?
If we boycotted jap products we'd never get a reliable car for reasonable money.
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Uh oh, I'm on an IBM right now. You make a decent point.
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Should JTFers also avoid Japanese products as much as possible? I would never intentionally buy any German products. Should we apply the same standard?
If we boycotted jap products we'd never get a reliable car for reasonable money.
I fully agree!
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בס''ד
I agree with CF. What the Japanese did in WWII were monstrous and unforgivable crimes against humanity.
Japan fought together with Hitler yimach shmo vezichro. If Japan had not been involved in WWII as Hitler's main ally, the war against Nazi Germany would have ended much sooner, and millions of Jews and non-Jews would not have been murdered.
To this day, Japan has a very anti-Israel and pro-Arab foreign policy. Polls show that most Japanese are anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
Like many ghetto-minded Jews, Tovia Singer loves to pretend that the Jews have all types of imaginary allies. Singer considers the Canadian Conservative party politicians to be pro-Israel, despite the flagrantly anti-Israel policies which Canada has always pursued when the Conservatives are in power. And Singer praises the Japanese because some of them saved a handful of Jews. However, if Japan and Nazi Germany had won WWII, the entire Jewish people would have been exterminated. And 6 million Jews were exterminated in part thanks to Japan fighting fanatically in an unspeakably evil alliance with Hitler.
I agree with your words. A very good post. I wish to comment on Canada's "Conservative" Party. There is very little Conservatism in Stephen Harper's Conservative Party. Yes they have done some very good, supposedly Nationalistic/Conservative moves like lowering taxes and supporting the troops. Sadly, the troops on a NWO mission where they are using Canadian funds, and lives, to build up every social/economic, infrastructure in Afghanistan while Canada collapses. This is a blatant example of Karl Marx's pillar; Wealth Transfer. The Conservative Party is working hand in glove with Bush to create the North American Union.
The Conservative Party started out being openly "pro-Israel", if one can be that in the West, during the "Lebanon" "War" but only due to the external threat by Iran's Hizbollah BUT Canada is still fully on with the CFR-Trilateral Bushite "Peace Process" backed by the Milner/Fabian British Brown's "Two State Solution". All told, Canada is not "Pro-Israel" but, at best, indifferent. If the UN partition plan occurred today, Canada would, at best, abstain. Most, if not all, believe there is such a thing as a Bolestinian Beoble, which identifies their total ignorance and willful catering to Leftist propaganda.
I have heard that Stephen Harper and Stockwell Day hold the personal beliefs that Israel should transfer the Arabs and Annex all of Israeli lands left from the ’67 war but will not say it openly because Canada has digressed so much to the Socialist Left within the past 40 years, they’d be immediately thrown out of power due to all the Leftist and Islamic lobby groups.
As for the Japanese, I find that Asian culture and their entire history is highly militant, inhumane and borge-like... Human life there means dick. The Asian culture is almost as bad as the Islamic and slightly better than black African.. imo
I think the only way Israel is to survive is for Kiddush HaShem, quite frankly…
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Should JTFers also avoid Japanese products as much as possible? I would never intentionally buy any German products. Should we apply the same standard?
If we boycotted jap products we'd never get a reliable car for reasonable money.
I fully agree!
Thanks to jap vehicles, millions of us now take it forgranted that we just get in our car and it runs without trouble for years and years. Not the case if we have to drive domestic or european crap (G-d forbid).
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As far as I'm concerned, every country, except for Micronesia, is Anti-Israel and is Anti-Semetic...But that's only when we act whiney and petty.
However, every country will respect us if we dont' give a damn what anybody thinks..that includes Japan and everyone else.
Enough of this, "oh they supported Hitler in 1943" or "they suported boopityboo...they are anti-semites...blah blah blah."
This type of pettiness and crap will get us no where...We cannot rely on anyone to like us...We have to respect ourselves first and not care what anybody else thinks!
Enough of this Japanese this and Japanese that...German this German that. Russian this russian that, British this British that... It's so retarded..it makes me sick how many of you complain about other countries...Geez!
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בס''ד
I agree with CF. What the Japanese did in WWII were monstrous and unforgivable crimes against humanity.
Japan fought together with Hitler yimach shmo vezichro. If Japan had not been involved in WWII as Hitler's main ally, the war against Nazi Germany would have ended much sooner, and millions of Jews and non-Jews would not have been murdered.
To this day, Japan has a very anti-Israel and pro-Arab foreign policy. Polls show that most Japanese are anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
Like many ghetto-minded Jews, Tovia Singer loves to pretend that the Jews have all types of imaginary allies. Singer considers the Canadian Conservative party politicians to be pro-Israel, despite the flagrantly anti-Israel policies which Canada has always pursued when the Conservatives are in power. And Singer praises the Japanese because some of them saved a handful of Jews. However, if Japan and Nazi Germany had won WWII, the entire Jewish people would have been exterminated. And 6 million Jews were exterminated in part thanks to Japan fighting fanatically in an unspeakably evil alliance with Hitler.
Chaim, in all honesty, we shouldn't rely on any country in this world to like us or hate us.. We have to respect ourselves first as Jews. I think it makes no sense holding a grudge against any country...We should be vigilant...but holding grudge is pointless.
We, in fact, have to stop looking for approval from anyone and just do our thing for our own survival. I woudl rather be hated, but respected, than to be a dead Jew with holocaust memorials in every street corner.
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Should JTFers also avoid Japanese products as much as possible? I would never intentionally buy any German products. Should we apply the same standard?
AVOID!?
Avoid, Muslims...Avoid people that want to kill you...Avoid muggers, Avoid crossing the street when you have a red light. Avoid using drugs.
Japanese and German products are nothing to boycott nor avoid..>You don't like, don't get it. You like it, get it. You want to improve on German and japanese products? All the power to you..But boycotting..to me, it's retarded...It reminds me of complaining whiney jews that everyone can't stand.
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בס''ד
To this day, Japan has a very anti-Israel and pro-Arab foreign policy. Polls show that most Japanese are anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
Like many ghetto-minded Jews, Tovia Singer loves to pretend that the Jews have all types of imaginary allies. Singer considers the Canadian Conservative party politicians to be pro-Israel, despite the flagrantly anti-Israel policies which Canada has always pursued when the Conservatives are in power. And Singer praises the Japanese because some of them saved a handful of Jews. However, if Japan and Nazi Germany had won WWII, the entire Jewish people would have been exterminated. And 6 million Jews were exterminated in part thanks to Japan fighting fanatically in an unspeakably evil alliance with Hitler.
Shalom Chaim,
I didn't know Tovia Singer was ghetto-minded... Isn't he the rabbi on Israel national radio? Are they right-wing?
Regarding Japan, I posted this last night but in case it was missed I wanted to point out also that:
Indeed, the mirrer yeshiva was given refuge in Shanghai and under Japanese auspices, and the Japanese was very benevolent toward the Jews they saved. That said, anti-semitism is a growing phenomenon in Japan, a place completely devoid of Jews. It's somewhat ironic, yet fitting with typical themes of antisemitism. There is a large sense of Jewish "secret cabal" that is working to undermine the country or do all kinds of evil, even though most of them have never seen a Jew in their life. The terrorist poisoning of the subways was in some way rooted in antisemitism believe it or not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all trying to put down all Japanese people. I'm sure they have some righteous gentiles, so I wouldn't any Japanese person is bad. But unfortunately one of the goyim's diseases has definitely spread to their parts. There is a book I was looking at on amazon.com last night that treats this subject.
Jews in the Japanese Mind: The History and Uses of a Cultural Stereotype: The History and Uses of a Cultural Stereotype (Studies of Modern Japan) - David G. Goodman;
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0739101676/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
The book description under Editorial Reviews explains the very bizarre circumstances surrounding that subway sarin gas attack. I, for one, found this shocking. Apparently a 95-page antisemitic pamphlet was written by the group just prior to the attack. Truly a fascinating spectacle this curious society.
Interestingly, there was another book that I found called The Biblical Hebrew Origin of the Japanese People - Joseph Eidelberg;
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/9652293393/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
This is also fascinating and perhaps there is some way to tie these two accounts together. Or perhaps not.
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....does this mean we can go back to making fun of Japanese??.....AH SO!
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As far as I'm concerned, every country, except for Micronesia, is Anti-Israel and is Anti-Semetic...But that's only when we act whiney and petty.
However, every country will respect us if we dont' give a damn what anybody thinks..that includes Japan and everyone else.
Enough of this, "oh they supported Hitler in 1943" or "they suported boopityboo...they are anti-semites...blah blah blah."
This type of pettiness and crap will get us no where...We cannot rely on anyone to like us...We have to respect ourselves first and not care what anybody else thinks!
Enough of this Japanese this and Japanese that...German this German that. Russian this russian that, British this British that... It's so retarded..it makes me sick how many of you complain about other countries...Geez!
You forgot Antarctica, their not anti-semitic either, well unless the penguins are.
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As far as I'm concerned, every country, except for Micronesia, is Anti-Israel and is Anti-Semetic...But that's only when we act whiney and petty.
However, every country will respect us if we dont' give a damn what anybody thinks..that includes Japan and everyone else.
Enough of this, "oh they supported Hitler in 1943" or "they suported boopityboo...they are anti-semites...blah blah blah."
This type of pettiness and crap will get us no where...We cannot rely on anyone to like us...We have to respect ourselves first and not care what anybody else thinks!
Enough of this Japanese this and Japanese that...German this German that. Russian this russian that, British this British that... It's so retarded..it makes me sick how many of you complain about other countries...Geez!
Serbia thanks you.
We just lost a MILLION Serbs because of not siding with NAZIGERMANY.
I guess we Serbs should have thought
about HOW we would be recognized
for this SACRIFICE,
after the second world war...
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בס''ד
I agree with CF. What the Japanese did in WWII were monstrous and unforgivable crimes against humanity.
Japan fought together with Hitler yimach shmo vezichro. If Japan had not been involved in WWII as Hitler's main ally, the war against Nazi Germany would have ended much sooner, and millions of Jews and non-Jews would not have been murdered.
To this day, Japan has a very anti-Israel and pro-Arab foreign policy. Polls show that most Japanese are anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
Like many ghetto-minded Jews, Tovia Singer loves to pretend that the Jews have all types of imaginary allies. Singer considers the Canadian Conservative party politicians to be pro-Israel, despite the flagrantly anti-Israel policies which Canada has always pursued when the Conservatives are in power. And Singer praises the Japanese because some of them saved a handful of Jews. However, if Japan and Nazi Germany had won WWII, the entire Jewish people would have been exterminated. And 6 million Jews were exterminated in part thanks to Japan fighting fanatically in an unspeakably evil alliance with Hitler.
Chaim, in all honesty, we shouldn't rely on any country in this world to like us or hate us.. We have to respect ourselves first as Jews. I think it makes no sense holding a grudge against any country...We should be vigilant...but holding grudge is pointless.
We, in fact, have to stop looking for approval from anyone and just do our thing for our own survival. I woudl rather be hated, but respected, than to be a dead Jew with holocaust memorials in every street corner.
Once again, you're SO right,
Serbs should have looked at their own "business",
instead of fighting NAZIGERMANY !!!
A MILLION of them would have lived
their Precious Lives to the fullest.
We even saved Jewess ALBRIGHT
from NAZICLAWS, and she was
thankfull to us, Serbs...with BOMBS.
I guess we Serbs are DUMB,
to say the very least,
for being so sensitive, emotive.
Forgive me Chaim,
but this is too much.
I had to write it.
:-[
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Ughhh. You guys are arguing oranges and apples. Theres no question that Japs were savage, just as the nazis and the fascists were in WWII and before. And they WERE very pro Nazi back then.
But now, they are an ally. That doesnt mean there arent closet nazi-japs, but the vast majority of them are on our side. And by the way, they are starting to get Muslims from Indonesia, etc, and they HATE them.
Brian
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I completely agree with Dr. Dan's posts on this thread. As Jews, we should not worry about what others think of us. We should focus on being good proud Jews, protecting ourselves and doing the right things.
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As far as I'm concerned, every country, except for Micronesia, is Anti-Israel and is Anti-Semetic...But that's only when we act whiney and petty.
However, every country will respect us if we dont' give a damn what anybody thinks..that includes Japan and everyone else.
Enough of this, "oh they supported Hitler in 1943" or "they suported boopityboo...they are anti-semites...blah blah blah."
This type of pettiness and crap will get us no where...We cannot rely on anyone to like us...We have to respect ourselves first and not care what anybody else thinks!
Enough of this Japanese this and Japanese that...German this German that. Russian this russian that, British this British that... It's so retarded..it makes me sick how many of you complain about other countries...Geez!
Serbia thanks you.
We just lost a MILLION Serbs because of not siding with NAZIGERMANY.
I guess we Serbs should have thought
about HOW we would be recognized
for this SACRIFICE,
after the second world war...
He forgot Australia, too.
Australia has consistantly voted pro-Israel in the UN, even at times when America abstained. At the joke of a "UN conferrence against racism" that was nothing but an Israel-bash up, Australia was (I think) the first delegation to leave in disgust.
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I think the CF, Chaim, Husar and Newman have right if we think that Germans are noble nor are Japanese; And to Dan, Mills and Lisa Jews mut be respected and respect themselfs but Israel's problem is relying on foreign power's might not on of G-d's. Acepting the help from Rigteus Gentille nations like Darius the Great Persia is not mistake.
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I think the CF, Chaim, Husar and Newman have right if we think that Germans are noble nor are Japanese; And to Dan, Mills and Lisa Jews mut be respected and respect themselfs but Israel's problem is relying on foreign power's might not on of G-d's. Acepting the help from Rigteus Gentille nations like Darius the Great Persia is not mistake.
NOBODY (least of all me) thinks germans are noble. I just get sick and tired of Japanese atrocities being overlooked when they were (often) far worse than anything germans did on the battlefield. I'm not ignoring the showa, just separating it from the war-proper.
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I think Rabbi Kahane settled this arguement in 1989, or possibly before: "There are no allies, only interests." It is up to the Jewish people to realize who and what they are and reach for Kiddush HaShem by making Israel a Jewish State as the Torah identifies... "Not a Hebrew speaking Greece." - RKD
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I think the CF, Chaim, Husar and Newman have right if we think that Germans are noble nor are Japanese; And to Dan, Mills and Lisa Jews mut be respected and respect themselfs but Israel's problem is relying on foreign power's might not on of G-d's. Acepting the help from Rigteus Gentille nations like Darius the Great Persia is not mistake.
Accepting help is not a bad thing, but we hope that if we were to ever accept help that the nation helping us is not going to ask us for something back that might end up making us slaves to them.