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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on February 07, 2008, 04:04:55 AM
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Newt Gingrich.
He's NOT my first choice. I hate ALL establishment politicians.
But he would be the smartest choice for McCain, politically speaking:
1. The talk radio Republicans LOVE Gingrich. Rush Limbaugh adores him. Gingrich would bring most of the Limbaugh/Hannity/Fox Republicans back to the party.
2. The evangelical Huckabee voters like Gingrich. Gingrich is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-traditional marriage, anti-amnesty and talks tough against Islamic terrorism. Gingrich is from Georgia, in the heart of the Deep South and the Bible Belt.
3. Gingrich says that we must act against Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, because "they would use them". Gingrich calls Ahmadinejad "another Hitler" and says that both America and Israel face the threat of a "nuclear holocaust" from Iran.
4. Gingrich said that the Bush Middle East road map "is not a peace process, it's a surrender process".
5. Gingrich calls for a crash program for energy independence on national security grounds.
Now there are also bad aspects to Gingrich. He's part of the evil Washington establishment. He supported the viciously evil Nelson Rockefeller for president in 1968. He sent a letter to Bill Clinton in 1998 warning him not to release American hero Jonathan Pollard. In other words, like all establishment politicians, at Gingrich's core, there is moral decay.
But Gingrich's speeches on Israel and Islamic terrorism in the past couple of years are better than those of Romney, Giuliani and the other phonies who keep telling us about "moderate" Muslims.
Gingrich is despised by the leftwing news media, but he is adored by the "conservative" establishment. Look at some of his speeches:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9cqtJTvF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bvEITnEq4k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZiw3qVdFzw
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We need to support a third party candidate at this point in time.
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We need to support a third party candidate at this point in time.
Yeh, i'm for sure not throwing my vote away..I would simply rather not vote than to vote a third party candidate that nobody has ever heard of.
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Newt does not appeal to independents, women, or young people. I think Newt will turn off more people than he attracts. The Republicans really need a young VP.
I predict Tim Pawlenty.
Sarah Palin is also a name all of you should google. http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/
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a female vp especially if hillary gets the nomination...not too shabby.
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Gingrich is a scumbag. If McCain picks Giuliani I'll vote for him. If he picks gingrich, I'm voting for Hillary/Osama.
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Gingrich is a scumbag. If McCain picks Giuliani I'll vote for him. If he picks gingrich, I'm voting for Hillary/Osama.
We don't have much of a choice.
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Gingrich is a scumbag. If McCain picks Giuliani I'll vote for him. If he picks gingrich, I'm voting for Hillary/Osama.
We don't have much of a choice.
Sure we do...Clinton/Obama.
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A man that left his terminally ill wife for some slut is not a good running mate for me. He's a scumbag.
That's right. Did you see that plastic whore? She has the look of evil in her eye.
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Gingrich is also despised by the general public (even at the height of the "Contract of America", more than half of the public always had an unfavorable view of him), is a sleazy adulterous scoundrel (he dumped his first wife while she was dying of breast cancer), is pro-pornography, and his vicious hatred of Jonathan Pollard is absolutely unforgivable.
Chaim, I am voting for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I will not support the Antichrist John McCain under any circumstances.
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Gingrich is also despised by the general public (even at the height of the "Contract of America", more than half of the public always had an unfavorable view of him), is a sleazy adulterous scoundrel (he dumped his first wife while she was dying of breast cancer), is pro-pornography, and his vicious hatred of Jonathan Pollard is absolutely unforgivable.
Chaim, I am voting for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I will not support the Antichrist John McCain under any circumstances.
Yes, I agree.
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Now that Romney is OUT... Who's the Most likely to be McCain VP? Let's Poll.
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What's the name of this plastic whore?
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Gingrich is also despised by the general public (even at the height of the "Contract of America", more than half of the public always had an unfavorable view of him), is a sleazy adulterous scoundrel (he dumped his first wife while she was dying of breast cancer), is pro-pornography, and his vicious hatred of Jonathan Pollard is absolutely unforgivable.
Chaim, I am voting for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I will not support the Antichrist John McCain under any circumstances.
Wait a minute. So, Hillary is not anti-christ?
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What's the name of this plastic whore?
Mrs. McCain.
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What's the name of this plastic whore?
Mrs. McCain.
Well, there seems to be a list of those. Which one?
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Gingrich is also despised by the general public (even at the height of the "Contract of America", more than half of the public always had an unfavorable view of him), is a sleazy adulterous scoundrel (he dumped his first wife while she was dying of breast cancer), is pro-pornography, and his vicious hatred of Jonathan Pollard is absolutely unforgivable.
Chaim, I am voting for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I will not support the Antichrist John McCain under any circumstances.
Wait a minute. So, Hillary is not anti-christ?
it's just an indication that some people here are so used to hating others that they want to pick an ultimate person to ate so that they can be justified to feel that way.
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What's the name of this plastic whore?
Mrs. McCain.
Well, there seems to be a list of those. Which one?
The blond standing behind him at all of his appearances.
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We are caught in between this I for sure will never vote for Hillary she is worst then her perverted husband, and Obama well when hell freezes over. I may not have much of a choice here and hold my nose. I hope McCain chooses wisely.
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Newt does not appeal to independents, women, or young people. I think Newt will turn off more people than he attracts. The Republicans really need a young VP.
I predict Tim Pawlenty.
Sarah Palin is also a name all of you should google. http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/
I think Palin should finish her term as governor.
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Chaim I have to disagree. Who cares who the smartest one for him to pick is. I would rather him pick someone who hasn't signed Pollards death sentence than someone who would help him get elected screw him. I would rather him pick Huckabee than some shmuck who had three affairs and was caught in a car engaged in sexual acts. Just google it and you will see.
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Gingrich might not be such a bad choice. I have actually seen him speak up for Israel on occasion. O0
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Female Republican Governors
M. Jodi Rell Connecticut
Linda Lingle Hawaii
Sarah Palin Alaska
List of Republican Senators
Collins, Susan M.
Dole, Elizabeth <-------- HERE IS A FAMILIAR NAME hmmm
http://dole.senate.gov/ (http://dole.senate.gov/)
She is pro Military and sits on the Armed Services Committee
Hutchison, Kay Bailey-
Murkowski, Lisa-
Snowe, Olympia J.-
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I think if it happens it will pull the conservative vote, we got to also remember this guys and gals.. The Dems own the rest of D.C. right now, ok you can bet they will put the most leftist judges either Hillary or Bongo has to offer. And Reps won'tdo nothing but sit on their hands. 2nd, in order for McCain to win he will have to pull a miracle of a running mate and idea of a cabinet to attract the hard liners. I still think something is rather fishy.
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I agree completely Chaim. I had really hoped that Newt was going to enter the race for President but he did not. He is a man of ideas, both in domestic and foreign policy, clearly one of the smartest people in Washington, and he really understands the horrific threat the West and Israel face from the Jihadists. If McCain taps Newt for VP talk radio will shut up with their attacks against him and it will bring alot of conservatives that planned to sit it out in November back to the party.
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Dole, Elizabeth <-------- HERE IS A FAMILIAR NAME hmmm
Her husband is another Twit Republican elected for being a veteran. However, McCain will most likely cover more territory.
My problem with Dole she also is a big wig for the American Red Cross.
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Chaim I have to disagree. Who cares who the smartest one for him to pick is. I would rather him pick someone who hasn't signed Pollards death sentence than someone who would help him get elected screw him. I would rather him pick Huckabee than some shmuck who had three affairs and was caught in a car engaged in sexual acts. Just google it and you will see.
As usual I completely agree with you. The only running that fatass should be doing is from the river of molten magma coming straight at him in the next life.
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it's just an indication that some people here are so used to hating others that they want to pick an ultimate person to ate so that they can be justified to feel that way.
Dr. Dan, I am extremely disappointed with you as of late. First you tell Chaim that we shouldn't be "whiny Jews" and should forgive the nations that committed the Holocaust, and now this? I don't like McCain because I am a "hateful" person? WTF is this nonsense?
Anyway, for the record, the Antichrist (capital A) is the world ruler who, according to Christian theology (the book of Revelation in the NT), will reign over a worldwide Reich and execute an unforeseen holocaust against all of world Christendom and Jewry. He will be enormously popular and well-received by all political factions, and will have a uniting power previously unheard of. Hillary doesn't have that ability--not even close. Obama has it to a good extent, because he is generally a likable figure and doesn't arouse hatred in a lot of people, even Republicans, but does not have the sophistication and universal adoration of McCain. Only McCain will unite the entire Democratic AND Republican bases.
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Dr. Dan, I am extremely disappointed with you as of late. First you tell Chaim that we shouldn't be "whiny Jews" and should forgive the nations that committed the Holocaust, and now this? I don't like McCain because I am a "hateful" person? WTF is this nonsense?
Anyway, for the record, the Antichrist (capital A) is the world ruler who, according to Christian theology (the book of Revelation in the NT), will reign over a worldwide Reich and execute an unforeseen holocaust against all of world Christendom and Jewry. He will be enormously popular and well-received by all political factions, and will have a uniting power previously unheard of. Hillary doesn't have that ability--not even close. Obama has it to a good extent, because he is generally a likable figure and doesn't arouse hatred in a lot of people, even Republicans, but does not have the sophistication and universal adoration of McCain. Only McCain will unite the entire Democratic AND Republican bases.
I disagree with you.
McCain doesn't have "charisma." A lot of people actually consider him to have a bad temper. Also, the media would turn on McCain.
In contrast, the media would never criticize Obama.
An example:
Spitzer's approval ratings went down after he wanted to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens. Approximately 80% of people were against the idea.
Obama supports the same exact idea but he hasn't lost any support from it.
Some people believe he's very sophisticated.
Obama has already been calling himself the "uniter" for months and the one to "unite" everyone.
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it's just an indication that some people here are so used to hating others that they want to pick an ultimate person to ate so that they can be justified to feel that way.
Dr. Dan, I am extremely disappointed with you as of late. First you tell Chaim that we shouldn't be "whiny Jews" and should forgive the nations that committed the Holocaust, and now this? I don't like McCain because I am a "hateful" person? WTF is this nonsense?
Anyway, for the record, the Antichrist (capital A) is the world ruler who, according to Christian theology (the book of Revelation in the NT), will reign over a worldwide Reich and execute an unforeseen holocaust against all of world Christendom and Jewry. He will be enormously popular and well-received by all political factions, and will have a uniting power previously unheard of. Hillary doesn't have that ability--not even close. Obama has it to a good extent, because he is generally a likable figure and doesn't arouse hatred in a lot of people, even Republicans, but does not have the sophistication and universal adoration of McCain. Only McCain will unite the entire Democratic AND Republican bases.
First, I NEVER said we should forgive ANYONE for the holocaust. I simply said holding a grudge was POINTLESS. Being VIGILANT, to me, was the proper way to act. Quite simply, EVERY nation was involved in killing Jews including fellow Jews, THROUGHOUT history! So am I to hold a grudge against everyone? No! We have only ourselves to blame for trusting them with our livelihood!
And don't expect me trust anyone else to determine the fate of my people...which includes evangelicals and born-agains, no offense. I do appreciate the help and support and we will fight on together even with disagreements and hopefully bring peace to the world and with each other and usher in the messiah together. However, Christians might turn against the Jews once again and the Muzzies, Gd fobid, might become the friends of the Jews, if we stay on this path.
You choosing Hitlery over McCain is an indication to me that you have given up. You, who is chastising me, want to vote for a more evil animal to be president, who will enable more Muzzie countries, like with Pakistan, to get nuclear weapons AND directly force Israel to walk to the gas chambers. Dont' worry, Hitlery is loved by our beloved Jewish friends..and the worst kind of Jews LOVE her. So don't worry, she will directly be able to force Israel to do whatever her hand says. Did you forget already what Bill Clinton did to us and Israel, with only the grace of Gd, Israel was saved from making a terrible concession to Yasser Arafat?! He also single handedly laxed our defense and it resulted in 9/11!!!! Imagine what his crazy communist wife will do!!!
I'm not saying the McCain is an angel...He happens to be the worst of all of the republican candidates (not counting Ron Paul) when it comes down to the issues we believe in. However, he is a million times better than Obama and Hitlery.
As far as the "Anti-Christ..I don't believe in Jesus Christ, no offense to anyone here who does. So logically, if i don't believe in Jesus christ, how coudl I believe in the "Anti-christ"? For me to believe in Jesus Christ or the "anti-Christ", I might has well strip my Jewish identity...So dont' impose your religion on me or any Jew here about anti-Christs.
Secondly, you are no prophet to beleive McCain to be such a person..or even Obama.. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and start flying to heaven. We are mortal people who have no special powers to predict the actual future. I do agree we can make an educational guess that McCain will also ruin this country and make us more vulnerable. Hitlery and Obama will both make this country vulnerable much much faster.
Bill Clinton had an affect on our society with his charisma. Hitlery will have an affect on the minority population who feel they can get away with anything. Hitlery at worst will cause a civil war with zealouts of evil (which is the majority) to fight against the zealouts of righteousness (which is a huuuuge minority).
Obama, common sense...is trouble..he will negotiate and talk and empathize with Hamas and Iran in a much worse way than Bill Clinton did and force Israel to do unthinkable things much of the way it was done wtih yasser Arafat, but this time with Hamas and worst! When I think of Obama, I think of David Dinkins and the Crown Heights Riots and how so many people got away with murder. Al Sharpton should be given death by lethal injection for his incitement of murder. How the righteous have licked the dust while the evil live on to commit murder!
All three are terrible, McCain is a lot better than the other two. All I have to say is, while Huckabee is in it, we are better off hoping for him. Except, Huckabee isn't anythign special either. But he is the least worst.
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CF and Dr. Dan, please let's not get personal when we have disagreements. Both of you want to do what's right, but you have tactical differences. You should still respect each other because each of you has only the best of intentions. In a situation like this, there are going to be legitimate differences of opinion on the forum.
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Chaim, i'm right there with you :) Shabbat Shalom.
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I agree with Chaim about not getting personal especially since both Chaimfan and Dr dan are such great members. Anyhow, I can understand both Chaimfan's and Dr dans positions. On one hand if Juan picks a good Vp, we prob should hold our noses and vote for him. On the other hand, if Barack Hussein and Hitlery get elected, the republicans would actually fight them. It looks like we are screwed again.
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I have always enjoyed watching Gingrich speak and feel that he has a grasp on whats shaking in Washington. I like the man and really feel that although he at times speaks with a forked tongue he is good on many issues. Lets face it no one in politics is 100%. I once asked Chaim about Newt and he gave me an interesting perspective on the man that I never knew. Lets just say Newt preaches a better game than he actually plays. McCain will not pick Gingrich because his tendencies will cause him to pick from the left. McCain has put his cards on the table already and said that the Right Wing of the party needs to fall into place and back him no questions asked or face the prospect of an Obama or Hillery presidency. Gingrich warts and all would be a far better pick than Huckabee or some of the other names being passed around. The sad thing is that McCain will never look to the right and pick him.
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Hello people what about Tom Tancrado or Duncan Hunter
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Good idea Chaim! But I don't think that McCain would pick anyone who could potentially be an obstacle to cleanse the Republican party from conservative principles. As we all know McCain's agenda is to take the Republican party to the left.
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Mccain needs to nominate a conservative (hucakabee, romney, etc) from the standpoint of his own self-interest. In terms of his own self-interest, I think Newt doesn't help.
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Hello people what about Tom Tancrado or Duncan Hunter
McCain and Tancredo obviously have differing views over the McCain-Kennedy bill. I doubt he would consider Tancredo.
McCain knows that Hunter is conservative. He said so a few months ago. So I doubt he'd consider him.
Read the following statement by McCain:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/mccainnmich/
By mentioning Hunter's name, maybe he was implying that he doesn't care what conservatives think, since he knows Hunter is conservative.
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Here is the latest VP speculation. It is a pretty good article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080210/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes
Yes they mention Tim Pawlenty.
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Not really. I'm implying that Newt was leading the house at a time when Republicans were trying to portray themselves as moderates to complete with Clinton. In other words, he was the leader at the time when Republicans were trying to downplay their conservatism.
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I think the best running mate for McCain is either Rudy or Huckabee.
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I'm starting to change my mind. Gingrich may be reasonable. In a mail I got, he was saying for conservatives to "declare independence" and I agree with it. He called on the Republicans to change their ways.
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http://forums.caller.com/index.cfm?tz=360
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The only running that fatass should be doing is from the river of molten magma coming straight at him in the next life.
Ha, ha, ha. Man, that's funny!
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Pence from Indiana or The Governor of Missouri....Both Young Republicans and very conservative....Excellent Bios
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We need to support a third party candidate at this point in time.
If you vote for a third party, or don't vote, you are effectively voting for Obama or Clinton.
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We need to support a third party candidate at this point in time.
If you vote for a third party, or don't vote, you are effectively voting for Obama or Clinton.
I've must have heard that type of statement a thousand times. No, I am not voting for either of them. Of course there is little I can do to stop any of them, but by voting for a third party candidate I am casting a vote of no support. I am showing the republican party that I will not support them unconditionally when they elect bad candidates. Hashem is the only one that I support unconditionally. Even JTF I support conditionally based upon it's merits and JTF has definitely earned it.
Bad candidates get elected in office because people don't speak up for their beliefs. I cannot support McCain, Hitlery, or Osama. I do however believe that in the longrun that McCain is the worst even though Osama is the worst for now. Let's try and find someone that we can support instead of supporting the least of three evils.
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McCain might become the new William Henry Harrison. If he dies in office, would Gingrich pick up the pieces?
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I saw some talk today on the possibility that McCain may tap the governor of Florida for VP. Anyone know anything about this guy?
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I saw some talk today on the possibility that McCain may tap the governor of Florida for VP. Anyone know anything about this guy?
The Florida Governor is another moderate imbecile!
From what I am seeing of him I would agree with that evaluation. I really never saw him in the news much until this past week.
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I hate to say it but unless McCain picks a known conservative or at least someone close to being conservative he is finished.
He better pick someone like Romney, Ron Paul or I hate to say it Huckabee.
If McCain thinks he is going to win with someone unknown he is more stupid then we think.
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Lets just hope he wins
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We are hoping for too much here. We are doomed no matter who wins. With McCain it will just take a little longer than Obama/Hillary to seal the fate of America/Israel. This destructive process has been slowly chipping away, all the result of communist/socialist agendas perpetrated on us by the traitors and sell outs that we have been conditioned to believe are either democrats or republicans. Unless we start a coordnated grass-roots movement on many local levels, and get back to the ways of the founding principals of this country, only then will we be able to help the US and ultimately Israel. We have sold our souls for materialism and godlessness, with constant brainwashing bombardment via the media. The general public does not give a d__m about anything anymore. The people who really care (Most of Us on the forum) are a miniscule minority and considered crazy, whack jobs by the "normal" conformists with the heads stuck in the sand! Most people are fearful of expressing what the truth really is in any forum, either public or private! The really sad part is that the majority of people are happy (or at least have been conditioned to believe such) and don't want to give up the materialism they have! G_D help us, and be prepared for a much different way of life in the year's to come. Hopefully we will be able to recover from this disaster.
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I hate to say it but unless McCain picks a known conservative or at least someone close to being conservative he is finished.
I agree. As a conservative, I do not feel I'm being represented. I'm willing to hold my nose and vote McCain for the hope of gaining more conservatives on the Supreme Court, but f McCain chooses an equally moderate-kissup-to-leftists Vice Pres, then that will most likely break me. I frankly don't know if or what to vote for. McCain best realize he can't blackmail us into voting for him by waving the Hildabeast and Obama at us. He's got to earn it.
I'm not feeling optimistic. Someone say something positive!
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a female vp especially if hillary gets the nomination...not too shabby.
Outstanding idea,
How about Dr Condi Rice?
That would get the Female and the African American vote.
Plus this lady is no joke, she can go toe to toe with the worlds worst dictator and often leave them speechless.
She is articulate, tough and a very lovely lady IMHO.
I wonder can we draft her lol.
Peace,
Ron
"I'm not feeling optimistic. Someone say something positive!"
McCain, knows this is his last go round with the American public, I've a feeling he's lost that loving feeling with the liberal left.
I think the GOP has made it VERY clear what WE conservatives expect in a Presidential canidate.
This should make you feel a little better.
Dubya has seeded the SC with enough conservative Judges that any wacky leftist laws won't ever see the light of day ;).
Best wishes, Ron
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" How about Dr Condi Rice?
That would get the Female and the African American vote.
Plus this lady is no joke, she can go toe to toe with the worlds worst dictator and often leave them speechless.
She is articulate, tough and a very lovely lady IMHO.
I wonder can we draft her lol.
Peace,
Ron
"I'm not feeling optimistic. Someone say something positive!"
McCain, knows this is his last go round with the American public, I've a feeling he's lost that loving feeling with the liberal left.
I think the GOP has made it VERY clear what WE conservatives expect in a Presidential canidate.
This should make you feel a little better.
Dubya has seeded the SC with enough conservative Judges that any wacky leftist laws won't ever see the light of day .
Best wishes, Ron "
I hope you're kidding, but I have a feeling you're not.
Congosleeza would be an unmitigated disaster.
Sleeza is an anti-Semite, just like James 'F the Jews' Baker. She's owned by the Saudis and the Carlyle Group. She's even had an oil tanker named after her.
She's never left any dictator speechless but she has left true conservatives and supporters of Israel aghast with comments comparing the so-called Paleosimian movement with that of the American patriots during the Revolutionary war.
The Sleezabeast has been quoted as saying 'We in America understand the benevolence that lies at the heart of Islam.'
Congosleeza is a turd, as is the rest of the State Department.
The same goes for her boss, Jorge Wahabi Bush.
JTF by and large supports the Republican Party, but we're under no illusions, and fully realize that the lesser of two evils is still evil.
McCain over Hussein ? You bet ! McCain over Hitlery ? Affirmative !
But please don't come here heaping accolades on McCain, Condoleeza, or Dubya because we're not buying it and they're not worthy of it.
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rronfsc: "...How about Dr Condi Rice?
That would get the Female and the African American vote.
Plus this lady is no joke, she can go toe to toe with the worlds worst dictator and often leave them speechless.
She is articulate, tough and a very lovely lady IMHO.
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She certainly is no joke.
What's funny about a nightmare?
She indeed leaves dicktakers speechless.
They had hoped for something a little more human looking; not a gorilla on a diet.
She sho b ah-tick-uh-lick, hmmm hmm!
She b dat' tang' ah's b trowin' p-nuts at!
Voke fo' Congoleeza...
Washim'don Dee-Cee Ko'mish'ner fo' Puh-bli Werkz!
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McCain, knows this is his last go round with the American public, I've a feeling he's lost that loving feeling with the liberal left.
I think the GOP has made it VERY clear what WE conservatives expect in a Presidential candidate.
This should make you feel a little better.
Thank you very much Ron. That works for me. As long as McCain recognizes it's the conservatives that will make him president or just a tiny footnote in history.
Time to step up, Juan McCain!
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"I think the GOP has made it VERY clear what WE conservatives expect in a Presidential candidate."
Oh please.
If the GOP made clear what conservatives expect in a Presidential candidate, McCain shouldn't have even run---much less win the nomination !
Give me a break.
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McCain Romney.. Not that its great, but beggars cannot be choosers..
McCain is the only hope to bomb Iran and help restart Iran revolution... Nonetheless, he will continue to promote a divided Jerusalem; but sooner or later Israel will knock off its corrupt ant-semitic leaders or finally elect a real one and we can take care of the Pali-stinian problem themselves. I think Ahmedinejab will live not so happy under a McCain-Romney regime comapred to a Clinton-Edwards/OBama regime.. Remember Ahmedinejab is supplying weapons to Hamas .. If it wasn't for him, Hamas would not have a leg to stand on.. Let the whining crying pali boys shoot their toys at Jewish children.. However, lets focus on knocking out Hitler, not Mussolini.. The Facists will come next... Of course there is the Saudis, but then thats another story...
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Newt does not appeal to independents, women, or young people. I think Newt will turn off more people than he attracts. The Republicans really need a young VP.
I predict Tim Pawlenty.
Sarah Palin is also a name all of you should google. http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/
Wow I was close way back then!