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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: newman on April 15, 2008, 11:41:25 AM
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I got a message from her on another forum saying she was. Her profile still shows her as a member.
Could someone please clarify?
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Chaim and fellow JTFers.
It is with deep regret that I must leave the forum over the unfair and unwarranted treatment of Fidei defensor aka Skip.
This is down to Yacov alone who has way too much authority and uses it most unwisely (to put it mildly).
I wish you (Chaim) and JTF every success and hope you make it to Israel (G-d willing).
G-d bless Israel.
Newman.
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No newman don't leave and I don't want Skip to leave either
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Skippy was a malignant presence at JTF.
Newman is a big boy. If he wants to leave, it is his choice.
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I'm sure this can all be straightened out in a amenable way
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Com'on! Let's unite.
I hate to hear when people get banned. We are all adults here. Let's just discuss frankly and not get hyper emotional too quickly.
Regards,
Archie.
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They are both very valued members on the forum. And they do produce quality.
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They are both very valued members on the forum. And they do produce quality.
That is highly debatable.
Newman is entertaining.
Skippy is hostile, calculated, underhanded, bitter, etc. 'She' went over the line many times.
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I wish we can all get along!
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Well I hope she returns, I like her. And I don't want Newman leaving either. We need to be a united movement this is not how we going to get that.
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I wish we can all get along!
I do too, but this is the real world.
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We need to be a united movement.
Yes, but united with whom?
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Please try to settle this with Yacov. Don't leave the movement just because of the actions of someone else....
Chaim likes you alot.
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They are both very valued members on the forum. And they do produce quality.
That is highly debatable.
Newman is entertaining.
Skippy is hostile, calculated, underhanded, bitter, etc. 'She' went over the line many times.
bitter
that sounds like obama
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I think that this ''banning'' thing should stop.
We are loosing some valuable people because of this. :o
As far as I'm concerned, unless urgent necessity (ie, spammers or insurgents), Chaim or David should give the OK before banning a member.
Thank you.
Archie.
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I think that this ''banning'' thing should stop.
We are loosing some valuable people because of this. :o
As far as I'm concerned, unless urgent necessity (ie, spammers or insurgents), Chaim or David should give the OK before banning a member.
Thank you.
Archie.
That's a Great Point!
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This is just what Chaim needs more childish BS from you. Can't you just get along? What is this kindergarten?
Instead of making videos for youtube and doing mitzvah you screw this forum up.
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I received only one unkind reply from skippy but I don't want people get banned from here.
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Chaim has too much on his hands now, lately he got into an argument with some other Jewish forum and some other conflict. Now this thing... JTF can't become a mass movement if you keep fighting, every JTF member must love and support fellow Jews and righteous gentiles, isn't it what Chaim teaches?
So I urge Skippy to behave and admins to issue warnings instead.
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I can't believe this! Newman is gone!
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I can't believe this! Newman is gone!
They will be back, they can't find any other forum like JTF.
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Look I don't like DALMACIJA, he's a traitor to Serbia imo but I don't like to see him banned.
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When all has been said and done IF they are Real JTF believers they'll be back!
Our Mission is not to make ALL members think alike, talk alike and act as Zombies... we are all different people form diverse backgrounds joining together for a common GOAL. No one is forced to be here, all should be free to leave if they wish... I just begin to wonder as to the Real motives these people had when they first joined?!
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Look I don't like DALMACIJA, he's a traitor to Serbia imo but I don't like to see him banned.
IIC, Tell us something about Armenia please!
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What about Boeregeneraal?
Has his account also been deleted?
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I can't believe this! Newman is gone!
Newman is an adult. He is making a show of solidarity with Skippy.
No one forced him to leave.
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What about Boeregeneraal?
Has his account also been deleted?
That was a mistake that occurred a few days ago.
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Look I don't like DALMACIJA, he's a traitor to Serbia imo but I don't like to see him banned.
IIC, Tell us something about Armenia please!
Our guys kicked muslim azzy butt in early 90's, the azzies ( inbred half selchuk mongol half albanian ) couldn't fight. This proves what I have been saying all along, they are only powerful against women and children but on the battlefield they are weak. Armenians lost lots of territory to muslims, I know we can't get all the land back but at least I can warn others not to make the same mistake and deport their muslims out OUT.
Current muslim population of Armenia is 0.2% pretty impressive I'd say but of course it must be attributed to weak economy too.
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Skippy wasnt THAT bad.
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What happened :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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I think we have some ego problems here. I believe people should be here for a cause, a cause which is infinitely more important than petty personal gripes. If you're on board and can support the cause, good; if not then ask yourself what you are here for.
People who are supporting JTF through financial means, administrative means and by contributing their skills and knowledge to advance JTF's goals are greatly valued and should be treated with great respect. Be careful not to eliminate members such as this rashly; on the other hand, if they really are not of any help to JTF or counterproductive then by all means get rid of them.
Perhaps a board could be formed of members, simply approved by Chaim, to perform this function. In this way Chaim would not have to be bothered with every instance of this nonsense, and more than one person would be involved in making important decisions.
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Current muslim population of Armenia is 0.2% pretty impressive I'd say but of course it must be attributed to weak economy too.
Good job!! I like Armenians. You guys are the proof that it is possible to resist islam.
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Current muslim population of Armenia is 0.2% pretty impressive I'd say but of course it must be attributed to weak economy too.
Good job!! I like Armenians. You guys are the proof that it is possible to resist islam.
Thank you, I believe it's better to die fighting than voluntarily become infected yourself.
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I can't believe this! Newman is gone!
Newman is an adult. He is making a show of solidarity with Skippy.
No one forced him to leave.
I know, it just seems odd that the guy with more than 10000 posts (who isn't Yacov) has gone.
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why all this banning
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Perhaps a board could be formed of members, simply approved by Chaim, to perform this function. In this way Chaim would not have to be bothered with every instance of this nonsense, and more than one person would be involved in making important decisions.
There already is one.
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why all this banning
All?
Skippy was banned.
Newman left on his own accord.
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If Newman leaving, then maybe I should leave too.
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If Newman leaving, then maybe I should leave too.
We all have choices to make in life.
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Yaacov, please post links of these attacks. I'm surprised to see this go down.
I know that Skippy had differences in opinion on race with me and Judaism with many of the religious Jews here. Some religious Jews here also attacked her on her point of view (or rather i should say vehemently disagreed with her). If this is what it was about, then perhaps, you need to reconsider.
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Yaacov, please post links of these attacks. I'm surprised to see this go down.
I know that Skippy had differences in opinion on race with me and Judaism with many of the religious Jews here. Some religious Jews here also attacked her on her point of view (or rather i should say vehemently disagreed with her). If this is what it was about, then perhaps, you need to reconsider.
Skippy was a troublemaker, pure and simple.
She made 'jokes' about being a government agent. She accused good forum members of being StørmFrønt nazis. She supported the proloific JTF bashing at the other forum.
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then perhaps, you need to reconsider.
Um, if Chaim authorized the ban, does Yacov need to reconsider?
no...
except I don't know what exactly happened and would like to see for myself the reason even if it were chaim who authorized it. And if i disagreed, then i woudl disagree..(that doesn't mean that he's wrong either.)
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Yaacov, please post links of these attacks. I'm surprised to see this go down.
I know that Skippy had differences in opinion on race with me and Judaism with many of the religious Jews here. Some religious Jews here also attacked her on her point of view (or rather i should say vehemently disagreed with her). If this is what it was about, then perhaps, you need to reconsider.
Skippy was a troublemaker, pure and simple.
She made 'jokes' about being a government agent. She accused good forum members of being StørmFrønt nazis. She supported the proloific JTF bashing at the other forum.
can you post links of these things?
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First off, she and Scriabin were always at odds.
Also, in her Ask Skippy thread, she made jokes about spying, which made Lubab very uncomfortable, as JDL had snitches in the past. At one point, Skippy even called Lubab a "b---ard" on Facebook when he tried a make up with her.
Skippy has also argued with Bullcat3 and Mills/Yehudit. She has called Yacov a liar in a private message, and she also called Shlomo some names as well.
So being how sensitive the global mods and admins are about anything resembling missioning, that post about the messianic Jewish woman was the last straw for Chaim. (It would have actually gotten anyone banned.)
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then perhaps, you need to reconsider.
Um, if Chaim authorized the ban, does Yacov need to reconsider?
no...
except I don't know what exactly happened and would like to see for myself the reason even if it were chaim who authorized it. And if i disagreed, then i woudl disagree..(that doesn't mean that he's wrong either.)
I understand what you are saying. I guess sometimes you have to trust the admin's actions (well in my opinion). Chaim knows what he's doing.
But yes, you don't have to agree.
I know he knows what he's doing. But i would like to know why...and what it was that specifically brought judgement to make that decision.
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Skippy was a troublemaker, pure and simple.
She made 'jokes' about being a government agent. She accused good forum members of being StørmFrønt nazis. She supported the proloific JTF bashing at the other forum.
can you post links of these things?
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=16633.15
Once, she said to me, "I know who you are." She called me a 'StørmFrønt' member and on and on.
I have to go to work now. I'll find more links later.
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First off, she and Scriabin were always at odds.
Also, in her Ask Skippy thread, she made jokes about spying, which made Lubab very uncomfortable, as JDL had snitches in the past. At one point, Skippy even called Lubab a "b---ard" on Facebook when he tried a make up with her.
Skippy has also argued with Bullcat3 and Mills/Yehudit. She has called Yacov a liar in a private message, and she also called Shlomo some names as well.
So being how sensitive the global mods and admins are about anything resembling missioning, that post about the messianic Jewish woman was the last straw for Chaim. (It would have actually gotten anyone banned.)
That's nuts..wow..so odd how people can change 180 degrees!
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First off, she and Scriabin were always at odds.
Also, in her Ask Skippy thread, she made jokes about spying, which made Lubab very uncomfortable, as JDL had snitches in the past. At one point, Skippy even called Lubab a "b---ard" on Facebook when he tried a make up with her.
Skippy has also argued with Bullcat3 and Mills/Yehudit. She has called Yacov a liar in a private message, and she also called Shlomo some names as well.
So being how sensitive the global mods and admins are about anything resembling missioning, that post about the messianic Jewish woman was the last straw for Chaim. (It would have actually gotten anyone banned.)
That's nuts..wow..so odd how people can change 180 degrees!
I disagree with you, Dan. She was always off. This is nothing new.
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Skippy was a troublemaker, pure and simple.
She made 'jokes' about being a government agent. She accused good forum members of being StørmFrønt nazis. She supported the proloific JTF bashing at the other forum.
can you post links of these things?
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=16633.15
Once, she said to me, "I know who you are." She called me a 'StørmFrønt' member and on and on.
I have to go to work now. I'll find more links later.
Thank you...what was the last straw because those posts were from february...and yes, it was wrong of her to speak to Lubab like that.
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Skippy was a troublemaker, pure and simple.
She made 'jokes' about being a government agent. She accused good forum members of being StørmFrønt nazis. She supported the proloific JTF bashing at the other forum.
can you post links of these things?
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=16633.15
Once, she said to me, "I know who you are." She called me a 'StørmFrønt' member and on and on.
I have to go to work now. I'll find more links later.
Thank you...what was the last straw because those posts were from february...and yes, it was wrong of her to speak to Lubab like that.
I really got to go to work.
She posted some article about missionizing.
Ask Lisa and Yacov. They know.
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Sick thread, delete this.
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Just so you know, Chaim authorized the ban.
Yes, Chaim himself authorized the ban so before anyone starts accusing Yacov or anyone else of banning hundreds of people out of ego, they should realize that we don't just ban people out of the blue!
I trust in what the Admins do, I trust in their actions. Who else will also be loyal to JTF and trust in the Admins? We are here because we believe in what JTF stands for. What's more important, to be loyal to a fellow JTF member OR to the important JTF cause?
Yeah, I choose to be more loyal to the cause of JTF than to some member who must have done something that made Chaim authorize a ban.
Good, glad to hear it.
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I think we should vote on this. I think Skippy overreacts... but banning her is not in our best interest.
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Perhaps a board could be formed of members, simply approved by Chaim, to perform this function. In this way Chaim would not have to be bothered with every instance of this nonsense, and more than one person would be involved in making important decisions.
There already is one.
Great, I'm glad I thought of it. :::D
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The only people who are happy about this thread are ragheads.
Stick together to win this war.
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gee, i wonder how things will go down once I get banned from the JTF forum... :o
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Look I don't like DALMACIJA, he's a traitor to Serbia imo but I don't like to see him banned.
IIC, Tell us something about Armenia please!
Our guys kicked muslim azzy butt in early 90's, the azzies ( inbred half selchuk mongol half albanian ) couldn't fight. This proves what I have been saying all along, they are only powerful against women and children but on the battlefield they are weak. Armenians lost lots of territory to muslims, I know we can't get all the land back but at least I can warn others not to make the same mistake and deport their muslims out OUT.
Current muslim population of Armenia is 0.2% pretty impressive I'd say but of course it must be attributed to weak economy too.
The fact that Armenia has a 0.2% Muslim population is simply amazing. Most non-Muslim countries can't get anywhere near this percentage.
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Look I don't like DALMACIJA, he's a traitor to Serbia imo but I don't like to see him banned.
IIC, Tell us something about Armenia please!
Our guys kicked muslim azzy butt in early 90's, the azzies ( inbred half selchuk mongol half albanian ) couldn't fight. This proves what I have been saying all along, they are only powerful against women and children but on the battlefield they are weak. Armenians lost lots of territory to muslims, I know we can't get all the land back but at least I can warn others not to make the same mistake and deport their muslims out OUT.
Current muslim population of Armenia is 0.2% pretty impressive I'd say but of course it must be attributed to weak economy too.
The fact that Armenia has a 0.2% Muslim population is simply amazing. Most non-Muslim countries can't get anywhere near this percentage.
http://www.asoon.org/a-world.htm
Serbia and Montenegro 19 % :(
Israel 14% :(
Portugal 0.2 % ?????????
Do you think these figures are accurate?
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why all this banning
Must be the weather...
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Look I don't like DALMACIJA, he's a traitor to Serbia imo but I don't like to see him banned.
IIC, Tell us something about Armenia please!
Our guys kicked muslim azzy butt in early 90's, the azzies ( inbred half selchuk mongol half albanian ) couldn't fight. This proves what I have been saying all along, they are only powerful against women and children but on the battlefield they are weak. Armenians lost lots of territory to muslims, I know we can't get all the land back but at least I can warn others not to make the same mistake and deport their muslims out OUT.
Current muslim population of Armenia is 0.2% pretty impressive I'd say but of course it must be attributed to weak economy too.
The fact that Armenia has a 0.2% Muslim population is simply amazing. Most non-Muslim countries can't get anywhere near this percentage.
http://www.asoon.org/a-world.htm
Serbia and Montenegro 19 % :(
Israel 14% :(
Portugal 0.2 % ?????????
Do you think these figures are accurate?
Not entirely. Some of those figures are out of date. And the fact that Peru is 0% Muslim is bullcrap.