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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: White Israelite on October 02, 2008, 02:40:47 PM
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
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No
I will be buying Knives
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No
I will be buying Knives
Going out mall ninja style aye? brave man.
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No
I will be buying Knives
Going out mall ninja style aye? brave man.
No
Guerrilla warfare
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No
I will be buying Knives
Going out mall ninja style aye? brave man.
No
Guerrilla warfare
(http://82sluggowin.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/01312004112107.jpg)
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No
I will be buying Knives
Going out mall ninja style aye? brave man.
No
Guerrilla warfare
(http://82sluggowin.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/01312004112107.jpg)
;D
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Yeah. I'll be getting one of these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1xIGm5GYp0
I wonder how much ammo costs, lol ;D
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LOL
:laugh:
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Yeah. I'll be getting one of these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1xIGm5GYp0
;D
Not only would it cost a lot, but it would be a NFA item ;). Calm down rambo lol
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I was joking lol. Would be sweet to own one of those tho!
I have a Smith&Wesson M&P .40, and a Mossburg 590 and a good supply of buckshot ;D
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I was joking lol. Would be sweet to own one of those tho!
I have a Smith&Wesson M&P .40, and a Mossburg 590 and a good supply of buckshot ;D
Buy More Guns.
And lots of ammo.
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I was joking lol. Would be sweet to own one of those tho!
I have a Smith&Wesson M&P .40, and a Mossburg 590 and a good supply of buckshot ;D
Buy More Guns.
And lots of ammo.
I was considering trying to get one of those "Street sweepers" but I dunno that I could afford it right now, nor if they can even be found or legally bought!
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I was joking lol. Would be sweet to own one of those tho!
I have a Smith&Wesson M&P .40, and a Mossburg 590 and a good supply of buckshot ;D
Buy More Guns.
And lots of ammo.
I was considering trying to get one of those "Street sweepers" but I dunno that I could afford it right now, nor if they can even be found or legally bought!
They make legal clones of it, performs the same. The original street sweeper is made in South Africa. I think their pretty cheap too, might want to check out gunbroker.com
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I was joking lol. Would be sweet to own one of those tho!
I have a Smith&Wesson M&P .40, and a Mossburg 590 and a good supply of buckshot ;D
Buy More Guns.
And lots of ammo.
I was considering trying to get one of those "Street sweepers" but I dunno that I could afford it right now, nor if they can even be found or legally bought!
You can buy them depends where you live
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-from wiki
The Striker is difficult to procure in the United States of America as it has been labelled as a destructive device under the National Firearms Act with no sporting purpose by the U.S. Justice Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). [1]
The Government of Canada has classified the Striker, and all its variants and modified versions, as a "Prohibited Weapon," and therefore, it is illegal to procure or possess under almost any circumstances. [2]
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-from wiki
The Striker is difficult to procure in the United States of America as it has been labelled as a destructive device under the National Firearms Act with no sporting purpose by the U.S. Justice Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). [1]
The Government of Canada has classified the Striker, and all its variants and modified versions, as a "Prohibited Weapon," and therefore, it is illegal to procure or possess under almost any circumstances. [2]
Found one for 1600 dollars, it's a NFA item so 250 dollar tax stamp if you want it.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=111711880
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No
I will be buying Knives
get a knife like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uVTPRhWdfc&NR=1
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Obama made a speech to a live crowd in Ohio that he was going to ban AK47's and the crowd applauded. We all know when he says AK47's, he means any firearm that resembles a military weapon. I urge everyone to obtain one legally in the event elections do not fair well. Once they are banned, we will not be getting them back just like Australia, UK, and the other countries that have taken away peoples rights.
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GET A DAMNED GUN. Meir is not doing this to be a macho MAN!!! I send his links ALL over the PLACE! He is TRYING TO PROTECT YOU PEOPLE!!! WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH PEOPLE- JEWS SHOULD BE ARMED! GET ARMED ASAP- THIS IS NO JOKE, WHAT ZACHOR SAYS IS REAL, WAKE UP PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
We already have a house full of guns..pistols, rifles, whatever.
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GET A DAMNED GUN. Meir is not doing this to be a macho MAN!!! I send his links ALL over the PLACE! He is TRYING TO PROTECT YOU PEOPLE!!! WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH PEOPLE- JEWS SHOULD BE ARMED! GET ARMED ASAP- THIS IS NO JOKE, WHAT ZACHOR SAYS IS REAL, WAKE UP PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SLEEP PEOPLE SLEEP
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
We already have a house full of guns..pistols, rifles, whatever.
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True but you can never have too many, I urge that members here join the JPFO or the NRA, the NRA is not perfect but they do have a lot of influence and the money goes to help campaign for Mccain, a lot of those NRA ad's are hurting Obama and he's trying to get them banned.
One thing I urge people to stock up most is Ammo, a gun is just the instrument that fires the projectile (used to kill the bad guy), without ammo, they are useless paperweights collecting dust.
Ammo is going up a lot, even surplus stuff. Luckily, the soviet block is getting rid of all it's 7.62 x 39 rifles and going to new calibers, so a lot of this stuff is coming on to the market pretty cheap.
I wish more people would take this right a bit more serious.
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I have two large (wooden handle) pistols and a smaller black one.
I got them way before all the gun grabbing laws took effect.
Now you need permits and permits are almost impossible to get.
You can still drive 200 miles to PA to get one.
That's where I get bullets.
Of course, I live in the crowded cities, so there's really nothing to shoot.
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I have two large (wooden handle) pistols and a smaller black one.
I got them way before all the gun grabbing laws took effect.
Now you need permits and permits are almost impossible to get.
You can still drive 200 miles to PA to get one.
That's where I get bullets.
Of course, I live in the crowded cities, so there's really nothing to shoot.
What brand/manufacturer?
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I have two large (wooden handle) pistols and a smaller black one.
I got them way before all the gun grabbing laws took effect.
Now you need permits and permits are almost impossible to get.
You can still drive 200 miles to PA to get one.
That's where I get bullets.
Of course, I live in the crowded cities, so there's really nothing to shoot.
What brand/manufacturer?
It looks like this one:
http://www.glock.com/english/glock22.htm
I can't find the exact model. It's very warned from years of cold wet storage.
the other two I got from a garage sale.
One does not work.
The other one, very old, looks like:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14740&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15710&isFirearm=Y
of course, now it looks like this:
http://www.mindfully.org/tshirt.htm
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I have two large (wooden handle) pistols and a smaller black one.
I got them way before all the gun grabbing laws took effect.
Now you need permits and permits are almost impossible to get.
You can still drive 200 miles to PA to get one.
That's where I get bullets.
Of course, I live in the crowded cities, so there's really nothing to shoot.
What brand/manufacturer?
It looks like this one:
http://www.glock.com/english/glock22.htm
I can't find the exact model. It's very warned from years of cold wet storage.
the other two I got from a garage sale.
One does not work.
The other one, very old, looks like:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14740&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15710&isFirearm=Y
of course, now it looks like this:
http://www.mindfully.org/tshirt.htm
Do you know for sure if it's a Glock? All Glocks have the name on the slide as well as the model number. What caliber is it chambered in? Is it plastic frame? (All Glocks are plastic frame, steel slide)
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I have two large (wooden handle) pistols and a smaller black one.
I got them way before all the gun grabbing laws took effect.
Now you need permits and permits are almost impossible to get.
You can still drive 200 miles to PA to get one.
That's where I get bullets.
Of course, I live in the crowded cities, so there's really nothing to shoot.
What brand/manufacturer?
It looks like this one:
http://www.glock.com/english/glock22.htm
I can't find the exact model. It's very warned from years of cold wet storage.
the other two I got from a garage sale.
One does not work.
The other one, very old, looks like:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14740&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15710&isFirearm=Y
of course, now it looks like this:
http://www.mindfully.org/tshirt.htm
Do you know for sure if it's a Glock? All Glocks have the name on the slide as well as the model number. What caliber is it chambered in? Is it plastic frame? (All Glocks are plastic frame, steel slide)
It's all rusted but it does look like 22.
I'm not really good with gun models. I just went around with friends when I was 17.
I'm 34 now.
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I have two large (wooden handle) pistols and a smaller black one.
I got them way before all the gun grabbing laws took effect.
Now you need permits and permits are almost impossible to get.
You can still drive 200 miles to PA to get one.
That's where I get bullets.
Of course, I live in the crowded cities, so there's really nothing to shoot.
What brand/manufacturer?
It looks like this one:
http://www.glock.com/english/glock22.htm
I can't find the exact model. It's very warned from years of cold wet storage.
the other two I got from a garage sale.
One does not work.
The other one, very old, looks like:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14740&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15710&isFirearm=Y
of course, now it looks like this:
http://www.mindfully.org/tshirt.htm
Do you know for sure if it's a Glock? All Glocks have the name on the slide as well as the model number. What caliber is it chambered in? Is it plastic frame? (All Glocks are plastic frame, steel slide)
It's all rusted but it does look like 22.
I'm not really good with gun models. I just went around with friends when I was 17.
I'm 34 now.
It's rusted? Do you have a picture? I can identify it if you have one of your gun.
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Aimsurplus is running a deal for anyone with an AK47 or a gun that shoots 7.62x39, 129 dollars for Romanian Hot Shot ammo (700 rounds), that's as cheap as I've seen it.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Hot_Shot_7.62x39_123grn_FMJ.html
I just bought some :)
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You know, they're buried somewhere, I haven't touch them in years because there's nothing to shoot. Well, actually, there's plenty I would like to shoot...
But with a one year old boy and a worried wife, I'd keep it hidden.
From memory, at least the black one is likely a 22. Every Jew, a .22.
I wouldn't use those anymore. But I do have stacks of ammo.
Are ammo any good after years? Should I throw them away?
I would like to get new one's soon though.
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I can't I live with my Rabbi and 4 kids one is only a year and a half. I am learning to shoot with my friend that has many. I hope to get one soon
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Of course, another issue is that I'm not capable of killing anything larger than a bird.
As long as it's dead or small.
Otherwise, my hands just won't pull the trigger.
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You know, they're buried somewhere, I haven't touch them in years because there's nothing to shoot. Well, actually, there's plenty I would like to shoot...
But with a one year old boy and a worried wife, I'd keep it hidden.
From memory, at least the black one is likely a 22. Every Jew, a .22.
I wouldn't use those anymore. But I do have stacks of ammo.
Are ammo any good after years? Should I throw them away?
I would like to get new one's soon though.
They are as long as the primers haven't been damaged.
Glock 22 is not a .22, there are no .22 Glocks made, the Glock model 22 however is a 40 S&W. If you ever bury a gun, you should preserve it using cosmoline. Use eezox to prevent rust.
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For those of you who selected "I want to but I can't", why not? Where do you live?
You can buy a gun as long as you are not a convicted felon, in some areas, it's just difficult to do so legally.
Is money an issue?
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For those of you who selected "I want to but I can't", why not? Where do you live?
You can buy a gun as long as you are not a convicted felon, in some areas, it's just difficult to do so legally.
Is money an issue?
I used to live in NYC, now in North NJ.
Where would I go to kill anything?
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I can legality but as I said before I live with my Rabbi and 4 children they are 13, 10, 6, and 1. I don't think he would be comfortable with me having a gun in the house. I live in Seattle and in Washington State and there is no Gun Registration in the state I could buy a gun from a private owner and never tell the state and I'd me okay. As I also said before I am learning to shoot.
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You know, they're buried somewhere, I haven't touch them in years because there's nothing to shoot. Well, actually, there's plenty I would like to shoot...
But with a one year old boy and a worried wife, I'd keep it hidden.
From memory, at least the black one is likely a 22. Every Jew, a .22.
I wouldn't use those anymore. But I do have stacks of ammo.
Are ammo any good after years? Should I throw them away?
I would like to get new one's soon though.
They are as long as the primers haven't been damaged.
Glock 22 is not a .22, there are no .22 Glocks made, the Glock model 22 however is a 40 S&W. If you ever bury a gun, you should preserve it using cosmoline. Use eezox to prevent rust.
Like I said, I have no idea.
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For those of you who selected "I want to but I can't", why not? Where do you live?
You can buy a gun as long as you are not a convicted felon, in some areas, it's just difficult to do so legally.
Is money an issue?
I used to live in NYC, now in North NJ.
Where would I go to kill anything?
I'm confused, the purpose of having a gun (as depicted by the constitution) is that we are the militia and to defend this country against a tyrannical government, enemies foreign and domestic. You would basically be defending your family and yourself from evil doers who come to kill or harm you.
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I can legality but as I said before I live with my Rabbi and 4 children they are 13, 10, 6, and 1. I don't think he would be comfortable with me having a gun in the house. I live in Seattle and in Washington State and there is no Gun Registration in the state I could buy a gun from a private owner and never tell the state and I'd me okay. As I also said before I am learning to shoot.
I'll move to seattle
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I can legality but as I said before I live with my Rabbi and 4 children they are 13, 10, 6, and 1. I don't think he would be comfortable with me having a gun in the house. I live in Seattle and in Washington State and there is no Gun Registration in the state I could buy a gun from a private owner and never tell the state and I'd me okay. As I also said before I am learning to shoot.
It's good that you are learning to shoot, but you should ask your rabbi how he feels about it, if not, do you have family you could keep the gun with? I think some gun ranges allow you to keep your gun in a locker as well.
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I can legality but as I said before I live with my Rabbi and 4 children they are 13, 10, 6, and 1. I don't think he would be comfortable with me having a gun in the house. I live in Seattle and in Washington State and there is no Gun Registration in the state I could buy a gun from a private owner and never tell the state and I'd me okay. As I also said before I am learning to shoot.
I'll move to seattle
We'd love to have you AH
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I can legality but as I said before I live with my Rabbi and 4 children they are 13, 10, 6, and 1. I don't think he would be comfortable with me having a gun in the house. I live in Seattle and in Washington State and there is no Gun Registration in the state I could buy a gun from a private owner and never tell the state and I'd me okay. As I also said before I am learning to shoot.
I'll move to seattle
We'd love to have you AH
I might come there in a couple of years
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All of my guns were stolen. Don't know where they are anymore? What guns???? 8)
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Why do you want to buy a gun before November elections? Will you nedd it to defend yourselfs after Mr. monkey Obama gets elected and the big chaos in the US begins?
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Why do you want to buy a gun before November elections? Will you nedd it to defend yourselfs after Mr. monkey Obama gets elected and the big chaos in the US begins?
YES
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Why do you want to buy a gun before November elections? Will you nedd it to defend yourselfs after Mr. monkey Obama gets elected and the big chaos in the US begins?
YES
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Why do you want to buy a gun before November elections? Will you nedd it to defend yourselfs after Mr. monkey Obama gets elected and the big chaos in the US begins?
YES
Those animals will riot all over the place if Osama loses.
And you need to put them in their places.
Time for rope therapy.
Or lead therapy.
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Lead therapy lol!
And for those who answered you can't get a gun, haven't heard it yet, where do you guys live and why can't you get a gun. I'm trying to help the JTF here and get more members involved in firearm ownership to prepare for hard times. This is not a joke, the poll results are very dissapointing, but even 1 new gun owner is success for us.
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
I want to buy an AK. Is this one recommended?
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Lead therapy lol!
And for those who answered you can't get a gun, haven't heard it yet, where do you guys live and why can't you get a gun. I'm trying to help the JTF here and get more members involved in firearm ownership to prepare for hard times. This is not a joke, the poll results are very dissapointing, but even 1 new gun owner is success for us.
Buy a knife whats better then fillet of monkey
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
I want to buy an AK. Is this one recommended?
That one is actually not an AK47, it resembles it in looks but completely different firearm. It's a Czech VZ58 which the Czechs used during the cold war (very uncommon at the time as soviets generally forced other communist countries to use the AK47). The system is different than the ak47's and is closer to a SKS or the STG44 (German MP44) than an AK47.
If you would like an AK47, check out some of the offerings from here.
http://www.classicarms.us
They have a deal right now (until monday) to buy a Romanian WASR-10 (AK47 copy) for $350.00, lowest price you will see. Most are retailing for about $400.00, make sure you don't live in a state that it's banned. You will need to have the rifle shipped to an FFL dealer which you can find via your zipcode through http://www.gunbroker.com, they generally charge 25 dollars to transfer the weapon to you and you go through a backgound check.
If you need ammo, theres a deal on Romanian 7.62 x 39 ammo for 129 bucks (700 rounds), that's pretty damn cheap! It's good quality stuff too.
You can't go wrong with the Romanian AK's but you may have to check for canted sights and sometimes magazine wobble. If you want a better quality AK47, theres a few American clones which I can recommend to you but there in the 500-600 dollar range.
You can buy AK47 magazines on http://www.aimsurplus.com or http://www.centerfiresystems.com
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I want to but I can't, plus I own a pistol. However, if oSSama wins we will have total evil Black Affirmative Chaos screaming "diss is owha streetz, dis is owa country." So, It's a best bet, we should be prepared for the evil that's coming in the White house, and for America, Israel and Western Civilization.
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
why do you need a gun like this? Just get a legal hand gun...
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
why do you need a gun like this? Just get a legal hand gun...
What do you mean? It is legal to own this. That's why i'm buying it. If you want to face monkeys in the streets with ak47's using a handgun, be my guest, but i'd rather have equal firepower.
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
why do you need a gun like this? Just get a legal hand gun...
What do you mean? It is legal to own this. That's why i'm buying it. If you want to face monkeys in the streets with ak47's using a handgun, be my guest, but i'd rather have equal firepower.
Where do you live, in Rhodesia?
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
why do you need a gun like this? Just get a legal hand gun...
What do you mean? It is legal to own this. That's why i'm buying it. If you want to face monkeys in the streets with ak47's using a handgun, be my guest, but i'd rather have equal firepower.
Where do you live, in Rhodesia?
The gunshine state, Florida. When SHTF, we're going to get all those crazy cubans and hispanics coming up this way.
Also JPFO is a good reason to get guns
http://www.jpfo.org
check out their articles.
A pistol is fine, but it's equivalent to using a dagger in a sword fight.
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
why do you need a gun like this? Just get a legal hand gun...
What do you mean? It is legal to own this. That's why i'm buying it. If you want to face monkeys in the streets with ak47's using a handgun, be my guest, but i'd rather have equal firepower.
Where do you live, in Rhodesia?
The gunshine state, Florida. When SHTF, we're going to get all those crazy cubans and hispanics coming up this way.
Also JPFO is a good reason to get guns
http://www.jpfo.org
check out their articles.
A pistol is fine, but it's equivalent to using a dagger in a sword fight.
Are you planning on a gun fight? Are you part of a gang or army or something?
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
why do you need a gun like this? Just get a legal hand gun...
What do you mean? It is legal to own this. That's why i'm buying it. If you want to face monkeys in the streets with ak47's using a handgun, be my guest, but i'd rather have equal firepower.
Where do you live, in Rhodesia?
The gunshine state, Florida. When SHTF, we're going to get all those crazy cubans and hispanics coming up this way.
Also JPFO is a good reason to get guns
http://www.jpfo.org
check out their articles.
A pistol is fine, but it's equivalent to using a dagger in a sword fight.
Are you planning on a gun fight? Are you part of a gang or army or something?
Wow, where do you even get this idea? You think because I am buying a rifle I am a gang member or planning on a gun fight? You are judging by cosmetics, millions of law abiding Americans own weapons like these which are no different than hunting rifles. Furthermore, why does it matter if individuals own guns like these? More people are killed by "legal handguns" in America than so called "assault weapons" but yet handguns are a minority of the firearms in the country. It doesn't matter what gun I buy, I use it for self defense and protection of my family and country, and I know I am not alone in this argument.
Were the founding fathers gang members because they armed with military weapons to rebel against the British?
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
why do you need a gun like this? Just get a legal hand gun...
What do you mean? It is legal to own this. That's why i'm buying it. If you want to face monkeys in the streets with ak47's using a handgun, be my guest, but i'd rather have equal firepower.
Where do you live, in Rhodesia?
The gunshine state, Florida. When SHTF, we're going to get all those crazy cubans and hispanics coming up this way.
Also JPFO is a good reason to get guns
http://www.jpfo.org
check out their articles.
A pistol is fine, but it's equivalent to using a dagger in a sword fight.
Are you planning on a gun fight? Are you part of a gang or army or something?
Wow, where do you even get this idea? You think because I am buying a rifle I am a gang member or planning on a gun fight? You are judging by cosmetics, millions of law abiding Americans own weapons like these which are no different than hunting rifles. Furthermore, why does it matter if individuals own guns like these? More people are killed by "legal handguns" in America than so called "assault weapons" but yet handguns are a minority of the firearms in the country. It doesn't matter what gun I buy, I use it for self defense and protection of my family and country, and I know I am not alone in this argument.
Were the founding fathers gang members because they armed with military weapons to rebel against the British?
Answer my question....
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
why do you need a gun like this? Just get a legal hand gun...
What do you mean? It is legal to own this. That's why i'm buying it. If you want to face monkeys in the streets with ak47's using a handgun, be my guest, but i'd rather have equal firepower.
Where do you live, in Rhodesia?
The gunshine state, Florida. When SHTF, we're going to get all those crazy cubans and hispanics coming up this way.
Also JPFO is a good reason to get guns
http://www.jpfo.org
check out their articles.
A pistol is fine, but it's equivalent to using a dagger in a sword fight.
Are you planning on a gun fight? Are you part of a gang or army or something?
Wow, where do you even get this idea? You think because I am buying a rifle I am a gang member or planning on a gun fight? You are judging by cosmetics, millions of law abiding Americans own weapons like these which are no different than hunting rifles. Furthermore, why does it matter if individuals own guns like these? More people are killed by "legal handguns" in America than so called "assault weapons" but yet handguns are a minority of the firearms in the country. It doesn't matter what gun I buy, I use it for self defense and protection of my family and country, and I know I am not alone in this argument.
Were the founding fathers gang members because they armed with military weapons to rebel against the British?
Answer my question....
I answered it in detail, but short answer
No I am not a member of a gang or army, nor am I planning on a gunfight, if it happens, then I have the tools required.
I am merely exercising my 2nd amendment rights.
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Furthermore, I can give several reasons why I prefer to own this (or any military weapon) over a regular hunting rifle or handgun.
First, they are very well built and made for the price, extremely reliable, durable, parts are easy to find, easy to clean, accurate, efficient, and cost effective. You can legally purchase them online (depending on the state you live in), this is where i'm purchasing mine.
$800.00
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/RIFLE-VZ58FOLDING.aspx
I'll post a video review of it when it's shipped, their on backorder but should be in stock hopefully by monday.
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Furthermore, I can give several reasons why I prefer to own this (or any military weapon) over a regular hunting rifle or handgun.
First, they are very well built and made for the price, extremely reliable, durable, parts are easy to find, easy to clean, accurate, efficient, and cost effective. You can legally purchase them online (depending on the state you live in), this is where i'm purchasing mine.
$800.00
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/RIFLE-VZ58FOLDING.aspx
I'll post a video review of it when it's shipped, their on backorder but should be in stock hopefully by monday.
Thanks for the site ;D
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Alright Dan, think of it this way.
You can buy hummers (same vehicle used in Iraq), the only difference is the paintjob and perhaps the mounted gun on top. Civilians can buy "semi automatic" variants of military rifles in most of the US but they are classified as "sporter" because they are semi-automatic.
From a realistic perspective, if someone changed the color of their hummer to camo pattern, would you feel more intimidated? You can't base a gun on how it looks cosmetically.
See the following video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0
This video was made by a cop by the way.
We've had these rifles in the US for a long time, Jews are going to need more than handguns if we end up with another Katrina or LA riots or worse.
Heck that pic doesn't do it justice
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/CZStuff/My%20InRange%20vz-58/DSC00414.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/CZStuff/My%20InRange%20vz-58/DSC00420.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/DSCN8559.jpg)
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I own three guns already. But if Bongoid wins and takes away my guns, I will just submit.
...........I wouldn't dare purchase a gun on the black market
.................. :::D
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If Barry wins, I'll be buying a S&W .38 special revolver and a Baretta semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun.
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New jersey.
Where do I get a gun so I can provide them some lead therapy?
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So with November elections coming up, how many folks here will be buying guns?
I will be buying a Czech VZ-58 in 7.62 x 39 in the next few days as the elections come closer. More importantly, I will be buying a LOT of ammo as it's going to be in short supply. I am taking no chances.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/Speckfire/vz-58-speck.jpg)
After my income taxes, I hope to buy another AK47 of some sort and maybe a H&K 91 .308 rifle.
why do you need a gun like this? Just get a legal hand gun...
What do you mean? It is legal to own this. That's why i'm buying it. If you want to face monkeys in the streets with ak47's using a handgun, be my guest, but i'd rather have equal firepower.
Where do you live, in Rhodesia?
The gunshine state, Florida. When SHTF, we're going to get all those crazy cubans and hispanics coming up this way.
Also JPFO is a good reason to get guns
http://www.jpfo.org
check out their articles.
A pistol is fine, but it's equivalent to using a dagger in a sword fight.
Are you planning on a gun fight? Are you part of a gang or army or something?
Wow, where do you even get this idea? You think because I am buying a rifle I am a gang member or planning on a gun fight? You are judging by cosmetics, millions of law abiding Americans own weapons like these which are no different than hunting rifles. Furthermore, why does it matter if individuals own guns like these? More people are killed by "legal handguns" in America than so called "assault weapons" but yet handguns are a minority of the firearms in the country. It doesn't matter what gun I buy, I use it for self defense and protection of my family and country, and I know I am not alone in this argument.
Were the founding fathers gang members because they armed with military weapons to rebel against the British?
Answer my question....
I answered it in detail, but short answer
No I am not a member of a gang or army, nor am I planning on a gunfight, if it happens, then I have the tools required.
I am merely exercising my 2nd amendment rights.
I understand, but then why this type of gun and not a simple handgun? Are you planning on shooting down 5 at the same time? maybe a bystander or two as well?
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Dr. Dan listen. If 5 negroes break into your house screaming "Obama! Obama!" would you want a gun that could shoot five people quickly?
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Machine guns are overkill when it comes to home defense.
Do you really want to spray bullets all over the place? What if innocent people are around?
Automatic weapons malfunction frequently...oh, yes.
Better to get a compact revolver, (.38 or higher) and master it.
Machine guns are for the battlefield. Sometimes, I feel that you guys are just kids playing 'Army'.
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GET A GUN, FORCRYINGOUTLOUD!!!!!
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Machine guns are overkill when it comes to home defense.
Do you really want to spray bullets all over the place? What if innocent people are around?
Automatic weapons malfunction frequently...oh, yes.
Better to get a compact revolver, (.38 or higher) and master it.
Machine guns are for the battlefield. Sometimes, I feel that you guys are just kids playing 'Army'.
A revolver? Come on Scriabin....
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Machine guns are overkill when it comes to home defense.
Do you really want to spray bullets all over the place? What if innocent people are around?
Automatic weapons malfunction frequently...oh, yes.
Better to get a compact revolver, (.38 or higher) and master it.
Machine guns are for the battlefield. Sometimes, I feel that you guys are just kids playing 'Army'.
A revolver? Come on Scriabin....
I'm serious.
A revolver is utterly reliable, compact and will stop anyone.
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(http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/super-soakers.jpg)
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Machine guns are overkill when it comes to home defense.
Do you really want to spray bullets all over the place? What if innocent people are around?
Automatic weapons malfunction frequently...oh, yes.
Better to get a compact revolver, (.38 or higher) and master it.
Machine guns are for the battlefield. Sometimes, I feel that you guys are just kids playing 'Army'.
A revolver? Come on Scriabin....
I'm serious.
A revolver is utterly reliable, compact and will stop anyone.
Why a revolver when you can get a semi?
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Machine guns are overkill when it comes to home defense.
Do you really want to spray bullets all over the place? What if innocent people are around?
Automatic weapons malfunction frequently...oh, yes.
Better to get a compact revolver, (.38 or higher) and master it.
Machine guns are for the battlefield. Sometimes, I feel that you guys are just kids playing 'Army'.
A revolver? Come on Scriabin....
I'm serious.
A revolver is utterly reliable, compact and will stop anyone.
Why a revolver when you can get a semi?
Semi-automatics can jam. Its not likely, but possible.
Furthermore, the chances that someone will ever have to kill another person in self-defence are almost zero.
If a person ever has to kill in self-defence (G-d forbid) it is likely that only one or two shots will be fired.
These are the reasons why I think revolvers are superior.
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Machine guns are overkill when it comes to home defense.
Do you really want to spray bullets all over the place? What if innocent people are around?
Automatic weapons malfunction frequently...oh, yes.
Better to get a compact revolver, (.38 or higher) and master it.
Machine guns are for the battlefield. Sometimes, I feel that you guys are just kids playing 'Army'.
Well if a person is a gun collector they may want to have some of the more exotic guns thats have been posted here the past few days. As far as home defense goes I think guns like that are almost unless unless you live out in the sticks and your neighbors are great distances away. For my money I would like a nice shot gun or revolver something like Scriabin describes. Here on Long Island pistols require permits to keep where as you can have all the shotguns you want with almost no paper work. A good shot gun would work wonders in persuading looters or people looking for trouble to move along. With what we are facing in the next year or so a home protection gun might be a very good investment.
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Machine guns are overkill when it comes to home defense.
Do you really want to spray bullets all over the place? What if innocent people are around?
Automatic weapons malfunction frequently...oh, yes.
Better to get a compact revolver, (.38 or higher) and master it.
Machine guns are for the battlefield. Sometimes, I feel that you guys are just kids playing 'Army'.
A revolver? Come on Scriabin....
I'm serious.
A revolver is utterly reliable, compact and will stop anyone.
Why a revolver when you can get a semi?
Semi-automatics can jam. Its not likely, but possible.
Furthermore, the chances that someone will ever have to kill another person in self-defence are almost zero.
If a person ever has to kill in self-defence (G-d forbid) it is likely that only one or two shots will be fired.
These are the reasons why I think revolvers are superior.
Any decent semi is not going to jam after one or two or 15 shots. It's quick, easy, and IF you need the over kill, it's there.
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Plus not everyone has the time to master a revolver...
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I have a few my brother will be buying more everything we have was bought legally .BTW for New Yorkers you can buy rifles and shotguns in N.Y.S
I'm not recommending anyone do this (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3299/hosep121tx9.jpg)
Shot at 2008-10-05
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Plus not everyone has the time to master a revolver...
Huh?
You have time to master more complicated firearms?
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Dr. Dan listen. If 5 negroes break into your house screaming "Obama! Obama!" would you want a gun that could shoot five people quickly?
:laugh:
If five broke into my house i run outside with my cell phone and call 911
and if I had a handgun, i would shoot one and the rest would run away because that's what cowards do
furthermore, the sound of a gun is so loud it can scare anyone away...
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Machine guns are overkill when it comes to home defense.
Do you really want to spray bullets all over the place? What if innocent people are around?
Automatic weapons malfunction frequently...oh, yes.
Better to get a compact revolver, (.38 or higher) and master it.
Machine guns are for the battlefield. Sometimes, I feel that you guys are just kids playing 'Army'.
A revolver? Come on Scriabin....
I'm serious.
A revolver is utterly reliable, compact and will stop anyone.
Have you seen the torture tests on Glock or H&K? Now that's reliability, they buried them in sand, froze them in ice, dropped from an airplane, left under the ocean for 6 months covered in rust, and the damn thing still shot.
While revolvers are nice, the capacity is quite low, and that doesn't mean they are immune from breaking either, the cylinder is a moving part and i've seen revolvers where cylinder has misaligned before (not pretty).
http://www.hellinahandbasket.net/2007/05/revolvers_can_jam.htm
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Alright guys, you just DON'T get it, since you think my rifle is useless, when you are forced to face this in new york city and california, don't come back crying to me. This threat is VERY REAL! Go look at the images and let me know if you've changed your mind.
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazi2/08_12_07_1534.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazi2/14996284%255B1%255D.jpg)
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(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazi2/COLT%2520und%2520mich.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazi2/DVC00746.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazi2/Division%2520Skinhead.jpg)
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Tell you what, you want to defend yourself with a handgun against nazis and negros with their rifles, be my guest, it's going to be comfortable for them while they get to sick back 700 yards and you aren't able to do anything. I'm not taking my chances so i've bought a rifle because this scum is waiting for the day to have a race war against Jews.
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Well, IF THIS does NOt wake people UP- I DONT KNOW WHAT WILL.
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In most places people live there is no place that has enough space that anyone can sit back even 30 yards. As I said if you are in a rural setting being armed to the teeth may be important but in most suburban settings firing guns like that would kill half the neighborhood. Lets face it if the situation were to consist of more than some unrest 90% of the peoples goose would be cooked anyway. How long do you think you can hold out. Having a gun in the home for most folks would be to deter looters or fend off a home invasion. In most cases things happen so fast that you would never be able to get to the gun anyway. In some cases your own weapon may even be used against you. Gun education on the forum is good but lets keep the scenarios real.
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Tell you what, you want to defend yourself with a handgun against nazis and negros with their rifles, be my guest, it's going to be comfortable for them while they get to sick back 700 yards and you aren't able to do anything. I'm not taking my chances so i've bought a rifle because this scum is waiting for the day to have a race war against Jews.
Those are hunting guns? They live in the woods and like to eat quail and wild boar. We Jews know that Quail and Boars are not kosher..at least the boar part isn't.
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In most places people live there is no place that has enough space that anyone can sit back even 30 yards. As I said if you are in a rural setting being armed to the teeth may be important but in most suburban settings firing guns like that would kill half the neighborhood. Lets face it if the situation were to consist of more than some unrest 90% of the peoples goose would be cooked anyway. How long do you think you can hold out. Having a gun in the home for most folks would be to deter looters or fend off a home invasion. In most cases things happen so fast that you would never be able to get to the gun anyway. In some cases your own weapon may even be used against you. Gun education on the forum is good but lets keep the scenarios real.
CJD is brilliant as usual.
Perhaps if you live in rural Alabama you have a need for automatic rifles and other fancy gear but the urban environment requires somthing reliable and compact...something that won't get taken away and used against you during a close-range conflict.
How likely is it that a huge gang of heavily-armed neo-nazis will come to your house to assassinate you? Not very.
We are much more likely to encounter burglars than someone coming to harm or kill us.
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I'm all for people like me and cjd to get something that stuns the pursuer..much like Israel uses it's tactics to stun it's enemies...
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Tell you what, you want to defend yourself with a handgun against nazis and negros with their rifles, be my guest, it's going to be comfortable for them while they get to sick back 700 yards and you aren't able to do anything. I'm not taking my chances so i've bought a rifle because this scum is waiting for the day to have a race war against Jews.
Those are hunting guns? They live in the woods and like to eat quail and wild boar. We Jews know that Quail and Boars are not kosher..at least the boar part isn't.
Do these look like hunting guns to you?
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_DSC03382.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_IMG_0137.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_Sn_mek_012.jpg)
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Their for hunting alright, hunting humans.
You still don't get it, this isn't about hunting bambi, this is about serving our country and defending it against fascists, that's the purpose of having rifles like these. Would you rather it in our hands or neo nazis? You tell me.
I live in a rural area. City people should have just as much right to own these weapons as I do.
These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
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let's say I live in a small city near san fran.
we have ghettos like 10-15 miles from here.
if I only have say $500-$700 for guns and ammo, what should I go for?
shotgun or a handgun like a glock?
I am leaning towards hand gun due to size and the fact that other members of my family could probably handle it easier whereas a shotgun is like carrying around a pair of skis and in a small environment like inside a house during a home invasion, a handgun seems much more stealthy.
p.s. I have heard that something big maybe coming this week...some announcement in relation to the financial markets...maybe tomorrow.
I predicted on this forum over a year and a half ago that something would happen during the last month of Bush's presidency which would trigger martial law...so far we have the financial crisis...I am waiting and hoping nothing more drastic goes into effect.
luckily, I think there are not enough troops here to enforce a severe martial law of any type...but who knows...
I am also concerned about chaos from blacks if Obama loses (or even if he wins).
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Meir- I know, I believe you, we have SEEN it and HEARD the HATRED against our people and those who love us. People are either going to listen & just be wise and prepared, or not. These people seriously want to kill Jewish people, especially the ones that are conservatives, b/c we "break the mold" of what they think we are 'suppose to be' ~Well, I got MY guns loaded, so they will meet with one MAD AND MEAN Jewess.
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let's say I live in a small city near san fran.
we have ghettos like 10-15 miles from here.
if I only have say $500-$700 for guns and ammo, what should I go for?
shotgun or a handgun like a glock?
I am leaning towards hand gun due to size and the fact that other members of my family could probably handle it easier whereas a shotgun is like carrying around a pair of skis and in a small environment like inside a house during a home invasion, a handgun seems much more stealthy.
p.s. I have heard that something big maybe coming this week...some announcement in relation to the financial markets...maybe tomorrow.
I predicted on this forum over a year and a half ago that something would happen during the last month of Bush's presidency which would trigger martial law...so far we have the financial crisis...I am waiting and hoping nothing more drastic goes into effect.
luckily, I think there are not enough troops here to enforce a severe martial law of any type...but who knows...
I am also concerned about chaos from blacks if Obama loses (or even if he wins).
Since you live near San Francisco, an AK47 type rifle is a no-go, I suggest a SKS (they use stripper clips), they are high quality (milled receiver) and shoot 7.62 x 39, perfectly legal as well. You can get them for about 200-250 dollars. I would also buy a handgun, I recommend a Glock 23 (40 S&W), your going to have to get 10 round magazines though which is a bummer. Spend the rest on ammo, get lots of 7.62 x 39, it's very cheap right now since all the former communist countries are switching to newer ammo so it's coming in the US in surplus.
Watch videos on youtube to learn how to field strip SKS and the Glock, it's not difficult and they will last you a long time.
Edit: I don't know if Glock is legal in California because it doesn't have external safety except on the trigger, if you can't get a Glock, go for H&K or if at all possible, perhaps a springfield XD (though I'm not sure if they have external safety or not)
If you need help, you can PM me or post on thread, i'll direct you to where to buy a gun and what you need.
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Tell you what, you want to defend yourself with a handgun against nazis and negros with their rifles, be my guest, it's going to be comfortable for them while they get to sick back 700 yards and you aren't able to do anything. I'm not taking my chances so i've bought a rifle because this scum is waiting for the day to have a race war against Jews.
Those are hunting guns? They live in the woods and like to eat quail and wild boar. We Jews know that Quail and Boars are not kosher..at least the boar part isn't.
Do these look like hunting guns to you?
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_DSC03382.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_IMG_0137.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_Sn_mek_012.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_Sn_mek_015.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_shotgun_c18_anon.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_smiley.jpg)
(http://fwbairsoft.com/nazipic/1_strachewehr.jpg)
Their for hunting alright, hunting humans.
You still don't get it, this isn't about hunting bambi, this is about serving our country and defending it against fascists, that's the purpose of having rifles like these. Would you rather it in our hands or neo nazis? You tell me.
I live in a rural area. City people should have just as much right to own these weapons as I do.
These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
here's the problem..don't want it to be on my conscious that a shrapnel from my gun kill a 4 year old...
a handgun is sufficient..or a really loud horn or mace...anything to stun the enemy is the way to be..
perhaps for you who lives down south you are surrounded by gun toating nazis...up north here, we have cowardly savages...machine guns wouldn't be the proper strategic weapon.
Secondly, you think I'm against guns...i never said anything about being against them...All I have been questioning is, do we need sniper guns? I mean are you planning on shooting up a school or somethign with that? A hand gun is sufficient...at least here in the city or suburbs...and even if my aim were terrible..at least the loud noise would scare the savages here back to the moon..
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I spoke to a cop about the best gun to buy for personal protection. He said he and other cops use the following S&W .38 special revolver:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14760&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y
I was going to purchase this gun if Hussein wins the election. I've been reading some of the pros and cons about certain guns on this thread. Before investing $500, any reason I shouldn't purchase this gun? I'm also going to try, though it will be difficult, to get a concealed weapons permit.
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Tell you what, you want to defend yourself with a handgun against nazis and negros with their rifles, be my guest, it's going to be comfortable for them while they get to sick back 700 yards and you aren't able to do anything. I'm not taking my chances so i've bought a rifle because this scum is waiting for the day to have a race war against Jews.
Those are hunting guns? They live in the woods and like to eat quail and wild boar. We Jews know that Quail and Boars are not kosher..at least the boar part isn't.
Do these look like hunting guns to you?
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Their for hunting alright, hunting humans.
You still don't get it, this isn't about hunting bambi, this is about serving our country and defending it against fascists, that's the purpose of having rifles like these. Would you rather it in our hands or neo nazis? You tell me.
I live in a rural area. City people should have just as much right to own these weapons as I do.
These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
here's the problem..don't want it to be on my conscious that a shrapnel from my gun kill a 4 year old...
a handgun is sufficient..or a really loud horn or mace...anything to stun the enemy is the way to be..
perhaps for you who lives down south you are surrounded by gun toating nazis...up north here, we have cowardly savages...machine guns wouldn't be the proper strategic weapon.
Secondly, you think I'm against guns...i never said anything about being against them...All I have been questioning is, do we need sniper guns? I mean are you planning on shooting up a school or somethign with that? A hand gun is sufficient...at least here in the city or suburbs...and even if my aim were terrible..at least the loud noise would scare the savages here back to the moon..
The Brady Campaign says they aren't anti-gun either despite the fact they want to outlaw everything including hunting guns that shoot more than 300 yards.
Anyways, what are you talking about sharpnel? I've never heard of a firearm causing shrapnel, that's why you practice and train where your shooting.
And if you think all the gun toting nazis are in the south, you are wrong my friend, dead wrong. Most of the Nazis reside in California and the northwest, it's a well known fact. Some of the most dominant nazi groups come from Illinois (Cook County)
Those aren't sniper guns, I only count 1 in the recent pictures I posted. Where do you get the idea someone is going to shoot up a school because they have a military style weapon? That's equivalent to saying men are going to rape women because we have a penis.
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DR DAN, the LARGEST group of neo-nazis is IN NY City.
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I am sorry, please forgive this/me, but YOU PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DECAF! It is OBVIOUS that you DONT know what our horrible rotten leftist brethren have done, & now WE ARE ALL BEING BLAMED. WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP! WHY do you think that the JTF comes out in STRONG REBUKE AGAINST Leftists?!?!?!?!?
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I spoke to a cop about the best gun to buy for personal protection. He said he and other cops use the following S&W .38 special revolver:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14760&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y
I was going to purchase this gun if Hussein wins the election. I've been reading some of the pros and cons about certain guns on this thread. Before investing $500, any reason I shouldn't purchase this gun? I'm also going to try, though it will be difficult, to get a concealed weapons permit.
I'll be honest with ya, never heard of a cop using a S&W .38 unless it's a backup. Some of the older cops use revolvers because they were issued them back in the day, but most police departments use semi-autos. If that's what you want, go for it. Most police are using either Glocks, SIG's, Berettas, or H&K.
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I'll probably go for a glock or 1911. glock is not outlawed in CA.
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The Brady Campaign says they aren't anti-gun either despite the fact they want to outlaw everything including hunting guns that shoot more than 300 yards.
Anyways, what are you talking about sharpnel? I've never heard of a firearm causing shrapnel, that's why you practice and train where your shooting.
And if you think all the gun toting nazis are in the south, you are wrong my friend, dead wrong. Most of the Nazis reside in California and the northwest, it's a well known fact. Some of the most dominant nazi groups come from Illinois (Cook County)
Those aren't sniper guns, I only count 1 in the recent pictures I posted. Where do you get the idea someone is going to shoot up a school because they have a military style weapon? That's equivalent to saying men are going to rape women because we have a penis.
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see? this is where I differ...Nobody likes a white neo-nazi..but everyon likes the rap toting gang raping savages at least in my part of town....so if I had anything to fear, it would be those savages and not the idaho rural living white neo nazis. Here we have lots of blacks and muslims..and a lot of them hate Jews. I know a regular gun, mace or loud eardrum destroying horn will make them run for the hills.
As far as the so called popular white neo nazi skinheads...i predict at the time where Jews might have a demise and the rap gang bangers and white neonazis gain power that them two will be at each others' throats in fear that their standing will become weaker...
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If I can step in, if I may............
I think Dr. Dan thinks you are quite paranoid as it is clearly shown in his first post in this thread. And I can see where he's getting at. 'Buying a rifle for November,' 'Fighting hispanics and Cubans,' deep down even you know this inflammatory language is downright stupid and ridiculous. Some moron even said something in this thread about black guys running into someones house screaming obama obama. To the moron who said that, please grow up.
However, If you ignore the rhetoric, White Israelite like any other person in this country has the right to own these guns. One must have one in case sh*t hits the fan. G-d forbid there should be an economic crash in this country, Jews should be armed! I think an economic crash is more realistic than someone running your house screaming Obama.
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You had better have the ability to protect yourself and your loved ones. It is the not a legal requirement or a charter of the local, state or federal governements to protect you and your families as individuals. And believe me they have intent of same.
If you don't own a gun or other weapon (for those of you already living under socialism), know how to use and will use it you are sheep. Sheep get slaughtered.
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The Brady Campaign says they aren't anti-gun either despite the fact they want to outlaw everything including hunting guns that shoot more than 300 yards.
Anyways, what are you talking about sharpnel? I've never heard of a firearm causing shrapnel, that's why you practice and train where your shooting.
And if you think all the gun toting nazis are in the south, you are wrong my friend, dead wrong. Most of the Nazis reside in California and the northwest, it's a well known fact. Some of the most dominant nazi groups come from Illinois (Cook County)
Those aren't sniper guns, I only count 1 in the recent pictures I posted. Where do you get the idea someone is going to shoot up a school because they have a military style weapon? That's equivalent to saying men are going to rape women because we have a penis.
see? this is where I differ...Nobody likes a white neo-nazi..but everyon likes the rap toting gang raping savages at least in my part of town....so if I had anything to fear, it would be those savages and not the idaho rural living white neo nazis. Here we have lots of blacks and muslims..and a lot of them hate Jews. I know a regular gun, mace or loud eardrum destroying horn will make them run for the hills.
As far as the so called popular white neo nazi skinheads...i predict at the time where Jews might have a demise and the rap gang bangers and white neonazis gain power that them two will be at each others' throats in fear that their standing will become weaker...
Jews in the 1930's that lived in Germany didn't think a man with a funny moustache and a bunch of men in brown shirts were much of a threat either. Look how that turned out, history repeats it's self.
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Furthermore, even more pictures. Still think these guys aren't a threat? These morons want you on the other end of the barrel, go read the turner diaries, read up on the massacres of Jews in youth community centers, all these anti-semitic attacks are happening in california, illinois and new york where Jews live. This isn't some distant land out in the middle of nowhere, this is happening here at home! If you can't see that, time to wake up and smell the lead, because it's pointed right at us.
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Wake up guys, this threat should be a sticky and you all need to see these pictures to understand whats going on. You can pretend nothings happening and continue to live in ignorance or you can do something and prepare. Why do you think they wear masks? Ever think some of these individuals have been involved in some crime where they can't be seen holding a gun or are plotting something? If Obama gets elected, not only will our "rifles" be banned but handguns will be banned too and we will be defenseless. I am only one man with a few guns, we need fellow Jews to do their part and arm themselves to protect the rest of the Jewish people in this country. You rely on the government, your going to get bit and it ain't going to feel good.
If the Zionists who founded Israel saw what a bunch of anti-gun lazy misfits we've turned ino, they would be rolling in their graves. They weren't perfect, but at least they had an instinct to protect Jews and do what needed to be done. Where is the warrior image that the ancient Hebrews had? Now we're being murdered while the world watches and we ask for sympathy. What kind of Jew are you? It's better to die on your feet in combat than to die on your knees at your enemies mercy.
That's right, those pictures, that's your f***ing enemy, those people want to kill you just like Adolf Hitler wanted to. He's pointing a gun at you, what are you going to do? Walk away? Only you don't take it so serious because you sit in your safe comfortable computer room and think that the day will never happen. I'm prepared, and I wish every single Jew and gentile on this forum the best of luck and hope you are prepared as well.
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You want to know something vulgar? Like LaRassa and the Communist Party attains support and financing from the Rockefeller, Ford and Carnege Foundations so do these Aryian/White Power groups. Many are organized and financed by FBI/CIA members.
There is actually a very good interview on RadioLiberty.Com with Barry Chamish. Not for what Chamish, but he does make some very good points about Israel's left and right being controlled by the same entity/peoples, like in America, but for what Dr. Monteith states about these sorts of militant bigotted groups. You'll have to fast forward to about 55min before the Chamish interview comes up. I'm not a fan of Chamish but one cannot dismiss him entirely... What Monteith says is certaily correct about the government funding, organizing and infiltrating of both "left" and "right" wing groups. No question..
mms://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net/radioliberty/100208c.mp3
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Moron is holding an Israeli made weapon. Oh the irony
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These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
WI :
I don't foresee a couple of pissed off skin heads taking over our cities and hunting for Jews... I think you're over reacting a bit imho.
What I do see is if Bongoid gets into office.. ATF and FBI will be searching houses for registered weapons that have not been turned in.
The big question.. do you submit or do you start a civil war with ATF & FBI? G-d knows you're not winning a bureaucratic debate with Hussein in office.
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These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
WI :
I don't foresee a couple of pissed off skin heads taking over our cities and hunting for Jews... I think you're over reacting a bit imho.
What I do see is if Bongoid gets into office.. ATF and FBI will be searching houses for registered weapons that have not been turned in.
The big question.. do you submit or do you start a civil war with ATF & FBI? G-d knows you're not winning a bureaucratic debate with Hussein in office.
I will NEVER register my guns and I will not turn them in, my body will have to be dragged out full of lead.
I'm not overreacting, the problem is that few of the members here take the threat serious. This is really sad.
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These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
WI :
I don't foresee a couple of pissed off skin heads taking over our cities and hunting for Jews... I think you're over reacting a bit imho.
What I do see is if Bongoid gets into office.. ATF and FBI will be searching houses for registered weapons that have not been turned in.
The big question.. do you submit or do you start a civil war with ATF & FBI? G-d knows you're not winning a bureaucratic debate with Hussein in office.
I will NEVER register my guns and I will not turn them in, my body will have to be dragged out full of lead.
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These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
WI :
I don't foresee a couple of pissed off skin heads taking over our cities and hunting for Jews... I think you're over reacting a bit imho.
He's not overreacting at all. It doesn't take a prophet to envision the effects of the U.S. economy completely collapsing. The Jews will be blamed. They will be targeted in large scale pogroms as people loot, pillage and riot throughout each city. It's a nightmare scenario, but it could easily happen here. To dismiss it or trivialize it is foolish. The only positive note is that unlike the Jews of Europe, I believe American Jews will put up a fight.
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I spoke to a cop about the best gun to buy for personal protection. He said he and other cops use the following S&W .38 special revolver:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14760&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y
I was going to purchase this gun if Hussein wins the election. I've been reading some of the pros and cons about certain guns on this thread. Before investing $500, any reason I shouldn't purchase this gun? I'm also going to try, though it will be difficult, to get a concealed weapons permit.
I'll be honest with ya, never heard of a cop using a S&W .38 unless it's a backup. Some of the older cops use revolvers because they were issued them back in the day, but most police departments use semi-autos. If that's what you want, go for it. Most police are using either Glocks, SIG's, Berettas, or H&K.
Yes, you're exactly correct in that the cop used it as a backup. What attracted me to this revolver was its small size and weight and the ability to carry it concealed with little difficulty. But thanks for the feedback and I'll look into the semi-autos you listed as well.
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These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
WI :
I don't foresee a couple of pissed off skin heads taking over our cities and hunting for Jews... I think you're over reacting a bit imho.
He's not overreacting at all. It doesn't take a prophet to envision the effects of the U.S. economy completely collapsing. The Jews will be blamed. They will be targeted in large scale pogroms as people loot, pillage and riot throughout each city. It's a nightmare scenario, but it could easily happen here. To dismiss it or trivialize it is foolish. The only positive note is that unlike the Jews of Europe, I believe American Jews will put up a fight.
You have a point, it's happened time and time again in the past so I can't say it's not possible in the future. Don't worry though, this Goy will be fighting right beside you! :dance:
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ok so let me tell you my whole opinion on guns and stuff...
I'm all for it...especially if Obama wins..My personal preference if I were to own a gun would be a regular pistol type gun...and i would use it merely as a deterent to intruders.
After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Therefore, I'm more on the side of carrying mace and perhaps an unloaded pistol with blanks simply to scare off intruders...In one hand I carry the gun and on the other hand a very sharp knife...stunning the intruder maybe the way to go to get out of the house safely and time for the cops to arrest the person.
I'm all for the surprise attack.
As far as the possiblity of huge mobs of skinheads...the day that happens will be the day there is no more law and order...I hope that by that time, I will have enough forthsite to leave this country and move to Israel or somewhere else in the world...just as my parents did when they left Iran 10 yrs before the revolution. My next goal is to learn Hebrew which my future wife can teach me..and Gd willing teach my children that first and foremost...
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These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
WI :
I don't foresee a couple of pissed off skin heads taking over our cities and hunting for Jews... I think you're over reacting a bit imho.
He's not overreacting at all. It doesn't take a prophet to envision the effects of the U.S. economy completely collapsing. The Jews will be blamed. They will be targeted in large scale pogroms as people loot, pillage and riot throughout each city. It's a nightmare scenario, but it could easily happen here. To dismiss it or trivialize it is foolish. The only positive note is that unlike the Jews of Europe, I believe American Jews will put up a fight.
American Jews will put up a fight? Most of the American Jews I know are self-hating Marxists who want all guns banned. They're gonna march into the boxcars just like their European ancestors. Best worry about yourself. Lock and load!
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ok so let me tell you my whole opinion on guns and stuff...
I'm all for it...especially if Obama wins..My personal preference if I were to own a gun would be a regular pistol type gun...and i would use it merely as a deterent to intruders.
After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Therefore, I'm more on the side of carrying mace and perhaps an unloaded pistol with blanks simply to scare off intruders...In one hand I carry the gun and on the other hand a very sharp knife...stunning the intruder maybe the way to go to get out of the house safely and time for the cops to arrest the person.
I'm all for the surprise attack.
As far as the possiblity of huge mobs of skinheads...the day that happens will be the day there is no more law and order...I hope that by that time, I will have enough forthsite to leave this country and move to Israel or somewhere else in the world...just as my parents did when they left Iran 10 yrs before the revolution. My next goal is to learn Hebrew which my future wife can teach me..and Gd willing teach my children that first and foremost...
Putting blanks in the gun puts your life in danger, if you pull out a gun, you better intend to use it for it's purpose. Plus you can still be charged for discharging a firearm in city limits which I believe is a felony (felony = no more gun or voting rights). Is it worth it? You only use or pull out a gun when you need it.
Furthermore, using blanks isn't exactly safe either, the person can still suffer burns and if theres anything in the barrel, it can still kill them (even a small pebble or something or dirt). That's how the actor from "The Crow" died.
Anyways, if your afraid of your child picking it up, this is what I do....
I wear my gun on me at all times with CCW permit, or around the house. I have instant access to it. When I'm not wearing it or i'm not using it, I either keep it locked up in case or in a safe (you can buy them cheap, fingerprint safes). Furthermore, keeping a gun loaded has various definitions, I always keep a loaded mag in the gun but I don't have a round in the chamber unless I'm wearing it. In the event the child were able to somehow open that safe and get the gun, they would still have to be able to physically pull back that huge chunk of steel which isn't....easy at all for little hands. Even harder with a rifle.
A gun is a last resort, so don't use it for scaring or threatening people away, not only do you place your life in danger but you suffer legal consequences as well. If your looking to scare people, get a blowhorn or a taser instead, guns aren't toys to freak people out.
I don't think anyone here wants to kill anyone or have weapons to act macho, I don't want to kill anyone, but I am prepared if I have to. You have to mentally and physically train for this stuff, know your boundaries. This is a serious subject to me and I have done years of research to be a better gun owner and to educate others.
If someones breaking into your home, you don't know if they pose a threat to you or they have a gun or a knife. If you fire a blank and they realize nothing happened, what do you think will happen? If you shoot someone in the leg to "wound them" or a warning shot, you also put your life in danger and risk being sued. These are all things to consider.
You may not consider yourself a liberal, but what I am hearing is very common to what liberals preach, and I think it's how they want to condition people to feeling morally guilty to taking a life to defend themselves. I would like to see you take advantage of your rights and be a responsible gun owner so that your child is safe, but at this point, we're at a dead end and we need to focus on rational behavior. You can always buy the gun, lock it up and do your homework on the subject until your ready to use it. I'm more than willing ot teach you what you need as well, any questions you have.
Dan, you really need to reconsider what your getting a gun for and the legal purposes and responsibilities behind owning one. Most gun owners are law abiding people and concerned about responsibility, but rethink your positions. I'm going to even recommend you to a gun forum and I recommend you read the posts there.
http://www.thehighroad.org
I post there as PILMAN.
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Unfortunately a lot of people that grew up in the city, it's the only life they know of. I was a victim of it too, I grew up in Chicago.
The city life makes you believe the entire country is similar to it. It has a way of influencing you, concentrated a massive population in a smaller area, you are brought up and taught a specific code of morals, a way of life, you are taught there is no need to leave the city because you have all the education and job opportunities one would ever need.
Along with that, corrupt politics. What one considers a conservative in New York is not a conservative in the midwest or the south.
One a person is conditioned into the city way of life and thinking, it's ...difficult to make them think outside the box, and the same has applied.
When I grew up in the city, I was taught in school that guns were bad and to report them. I was taught that the only people who should have guns are those that hunt and that no one hunts in the city and as a Jew, hunting was prohibited. I was taught handguns are used for self defense but that if I ever saw a kid with a handgun, he was either in a gang or had bad intentions. Kids were taught to stay away and don't ask questions about guns, don't learn about them, just ignore them. Even the mere drawing or sight of a gun even on a police officer brought feelings of fear.
AK47's and uzi's were seen as outlaw weapons and had no place in society, crudely manufactured and not welcome in our society or place, a true gangster weapon.
When my dads weapons were confiscated, my opinions changed, my dad taught me everything I knew about guns and I was told that I had to defend myself from nazis and blacks, the school system told me my dad was paranoid and that I should never pick up a gun, just focus on education.
When I finally moved and left, I went to rural areas outside of the country, I learned quickly how different life was outside of the city, the culture, the people. We were taught that the South didn't welcome Jews, it was a rural hostile place full of nazis and KKK gun toting thugs and that I should have no place in their society. I was wrong.
I was welcome with open arms by southerners, they were the most hospitable people I had met and they asked a lot of questions. I learned everything I needed about guns by rednecks living in the open country and being able to shoot. I started conceal carrying weapons with permit and at first I wanted only a handgun, over time I learned about rifles and realized that most of this stuff about "full automatic machine guns" and "gangster weapons" was a load of crap, that it was a citys way of controlling people and making them into sheep, demonizing weapons so they could ban them. Turn people into useful idiots, feel them propaganda and censor out the truth.
over time, I learned the history of every military gun where it was made, how the AK47 was designed by the Soviets as a peasant rifle, the most reliable rifle in the world and how guns themselves were not evil, just inanimate objects and that only the people who used them could be judged. The first time I held that AK47 in my hand, I felt like I had power in my hands, I felt like no one would ever mess with me again, and I felt like I wanted one, that envy. I felt with a gun, I automatically deserved respect.
After that envy died, I bought my first gun very excited, I did all the research I could about the gun, the history, the markings, what it meant, the safety, I watched videos on youtube how to field strip it, how to properly hold a gun, the 4 safety lessons, everything I could to be a safe shooter to show responsibility. My buddies were impressed.
I finally purchased my first military style rifle semi-automatic galil, I remember the media telling me how these guns were cop killers and that they should be banned, holding it the first time, I felt like I had something that was tabboo and the fact that politicians wanted it banned and it was controversial made me want it even more. After a while, I realized it was no different than any hunting rifle I had shot or even that bolt action rifle, as a matter of fact, that 5.56 x 45 was no more than a little .22 caliber with a lot of gun powder behind it. I realized the only difference was the magazine capacity, the folding stock, and the bolt lug and flash hider. I could have done more damage with a hunting rifle or a shotgun.
After a while, I stopped having that "superior feeling" to owning guns, I no longer cared and it was just a tool to me, that feeling wore off. I focused less on buying guns to be a badass and more on why I wanted guns to begin with, I knew I needed them because of my background being a Jew, I knew I was more interested in collecting guns because I was interested in history behind them and the wars they were used in, almost like collecting a sword that was used in a ancient battle or something.
I got more interested in politics involving gun laws and safety to set a prime example to other new gun owners and get them involved.
I started questioning all these rediculous laws and why they even existed in the first place, we were told to register our guns, ban assault weapons, limit capacity in magazine, all for the children because of spiking gun crime, what gun crime? We had 3 murders in our town with 17,000 people in a year and none with guns, why should my rights be sacrificed in some city that had nothing to do with me? Then it hit me, people didn't see the whole picture, only black and white. These cities where most of the gun crimes occurred were in cities where the guns were already banned.
There you have it, the laws did nothing.
I got involved in firearms for the wrong purposes, perhaps out of curiosity and just having one to own one, and I turned it into a positive thing.
I don't want people to make the same mistake as me, I want people to own guns for responsible use and I want them to use them responsibly. I don't want people to be afraid of buying a gun because it looks to "evil" or the appearance or because a "gang member used it", I buy military guns because I like quality, if the militarys using them, it means that the government contractors have to work that much harder to make a reliable weapon suitable for military purposes. Gang members are merely using a tool for the opportunity.
I saw a lot of these school shooters, they had little exposure to guns as a kid, they saw guns as this "forbidden fruit" and had to have it, they thought that power in their hands would solve all the issues like a video game, take out all their victims and then off themselves, it was a godlike feeling to them. They never respected the tool, merely used it as a tool of intimidation of fear and power.
I realized this and didn't want to be in the same shoes as them, I justified my hobby and realized the power of firearms, I learned to respect the tool and saw it as a object I hoped I would never have to use it for except plinking at paper targets.
When these gun legislatures came out, I felt insulted like a slap in the face, I knew it wouldn't stop school shootings, merely politicians that waited for the situation to arrise to back their political bills banning weapons that had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting at all, like politicians passing a assault weapon ban after virginia tech where the shooter used 2 handguns.
I don't worship guns, I am defensive about my hobby and my rights because other people want to take away those rights, they say they support the 2nd amendment but they want to chip away at our rights, give them an inch, they will take a mile. My rights are under attack and that's why I defend my rights.
You use the tools you need to survive in this world, not because of fear and ignorance, education is the key.
Learn, educate yourself, practice, train, and enjoy yourself. If you fear guns, they will control you, real gun control is you controlling your weapon.
I thank G-d the day I moved out of Chicago, I maybe an isolated Jew but it was the best move I ever made to open my eyes.
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These Nazis are going to be hunting for Jews, not pigs and deer. If you guys don't see that, then you really are living in a cave. You need to arm up because these guys are prepared while we're sitting ducks.
WI :
I don't foresee a couple of pissed off skin heads taking over our cities and hunting for Jews... I think you're over reacting a bit imho.
He's not overreacting at all. It doesn't take a prophet to envision the effects of the U.S. economy completely collapsing. The Jews will be blamed. They will be targeted in large scale pogroms as people loot, pillage and riot throughout each city. It's a nightmare scenario, but it could easily happen here. To dismiss it or trivialize it is foolish. The only positive note is that unlike the Jews of Europe, I believe American Jews will put up a fight.
American Jews will put up a fight? Most of the American Jews I know are self-hating Marxists who want all guns banned. They're gonna march into the boxcars just like their European ancestors. Best worry about yourself. Lock and load!
Too true!! Spoken like a TRUE KAHANIST :)
Get out your WET noodles Lefty rotten traitorous Jews: (http://www.thespoof.com/sitepics/pdi/25408-4827noodles.jpg)
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Well, dont dance too much- MarZutra- they will want you to fight for them. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROWL- here is a gun for ya MarZutra:
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GET A GUN PEOPLE! Rabbi KAHANE I KNOW WOULD TELL YOU TO GET A GUN
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Meir your story was really interesting! Thanks for posting it!
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After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Take the kid out shooting.
Children that know about and respect guns don't shoot themselves or others accidentally.
On the contrary, children who are sheltered by gun-fearing parents are the ones who have 'accidents'.
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After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Take the kid out shooting.
Children that know about and respect guns don't shoot themselves or others accidentally.
On the contrary, children who are sheltered by gun-fearing parents are the ones who have 'accidents'.
I agree with Scriabin because I grew up with guns in my house and I knew not to touch them
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Kids who are taught at a young age usually respect firearms.
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After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Take the kid out shooting.
Children that know about and respect guns don't shoot themselves or others accidentally.
On the contrary, children who are sheltered by gun-fearing parents are the ones who have 'accidents'.
I agree with Scriabin because I grew up with guns in my house and I knew not to touch them
that's because you are a good boy...
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After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Take the kid out shooting.
Children that know about and respect guns don't shoot themselves or others accidentally.
On the contrary, children who are sheltered by gun-fearing parents are the ones who have 'accidents'.
I agree with Scriabin because I grew up with guns in my house and I knew not to touch them
that's because you are a good boy...
Scenario here, a kid who has never used a gun or been taught discipline about it is told "no stay away from guns", most kids are instinctive about being 'rebellious', it's natural to rebel against law and what your told. The child is at a friends house and finds the fathers gun and playing around with it like they see in the movies, wanting to play cops and robbers and someone is shot.
This has to do with lack of education.
I shot my first gun when I was about 10 years old, my dad had me in the basement with a shotgun, he had it setup for shooting. I remember the first time I shot it, I felt the recoil and saw what it did to the target, I knew guns weren't a joke and knew not to touch them after seeing what it could do to a person.
Kids who are taught to respect and use things the way they are meant to be usually grow up a much better person, look at most city kids to country kids, most city (suburbanite) kids are spoiled little brats who go out and do whatever they want, no respect for anything. It's all about getting drunks, getting laid, and taking no responsibility for their actions.
A lot of these southern country boys grew up in the stick working hard and earning what they have. I'd rather be living next to southern boys than some northern nassal accent city slicker who thinks they know everything about life when in reality, they are just arrogant.
No offense to northerners, just bad experiences.
People don't respect the south though and we're treated like the armpit of America.
Gun owners aren't respected either, people act like we're a bunch of criminals or registered sex offenders and we must be up to no good because we own firearms. I really don't understand that concept at all.
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After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Take the kid out shooting.
Children that know about and respect guns don't shoot themselves or others accidentally.
On the contrary, children who are sheltered by gun-fearing parents are the ones who have 'accidents'.
I agree with Scriabin because I grew up with guns in my house and I knew not to touch them
that's because you are a good boy...
Scenario here, a kid who has never used a gun or been taught discipline about it is told "no stay away from guns", most kids are instinctive about being 'rebellious', it's natural to rebel against law and what your told. The child is at a friends house and finds the fathers gun and playing around with it like they see in the movies, wanting to play cops and robbers and someone is shot.
This has to do with lack of education.
I shot my first gun when I was about 10 years old, my dad had me in the basement with a shotgun, he had it setup for shooting. I remember the first time I shot it, I felt the recoil and saw what it did to the target, I knew guns weren't a joke and knew not to touch them after seeing what it could do to a person.
Kids who are taught to respect and use things the way they are meant to be usually grow up a much better person, look at most city kids to country kids, most city (suburbanite) kids are spoiled little brats who go out and do whatever they want, no respect for anything. It's all about getting drunks, getting laid, and taking no responsibility for their actions.
A lot of these southern country boys grew up in the stick working hard and earning what they have. I'd rather be living next to southern boys than some northern nassal accent city slicker who thinks they know everything about life when in reality, they are just arrogant.
No offense to northerners, just bad experiences.
People don't respect the south though and we're treated like the armpit of America.
Gun owners aren't respected either, people act like we're a bunch of criminals or registered sex offenders and we must be up to no good because we own firearms. I really don't understand that concept at all.
Listen..i think that certain citizens are allowed to have guns..You displayed a picture of a gun that seems unusual for self-defense...
And I'm not one who had ever thought that if one owned a gun they were a registered sex offender or anything of that sort.
Personally, I never grew up in a tough neighborhood like the majority on this forum. I have no pre-judgement on those who wish to defend themselves and do what they need to do. I just tell myself, what size does the gun need to be if it is for self-defense? HOw many guns does one need? ANd then when I hear one needs 20 weapons...I think, "Oh boy....I guess you live in the jungles of Nicaragua."
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After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Take the kid out shooting.
Children that know about and respect guns don't shoot themselves or others accidentally.
On the contrary, children who are sheltered by gun-fearing parents are the ones who have 'accidents'.
I agree with Scriabin because I grew up with guns in my house and I knew not to touch them
that's because you are a good boy...
Scenario here, a kid who has never used a gun or been taught discipline about it is told "no stay away from guns", most kids are instinctive about being 'rebellious', it's natural to rebel against law and what your told. The child is at a friends house and finds the fathers gun and playing around with it like they see in the movies, wanting to play cops and robbers and someone is shot.
This has to do with lack of education.
I shot my first gun when I was about 10 years old, my dad had me in the basement with a shotgun, he had it setup for shooting. I remember the first time I shot it, I felt the recoil and saw what it did to the target, I knew guns weren't a joke and knew not to touch them after seeing what it could do to a person.
Kids who are taught to respect and use things the way they are meant to be usually grow up a much better person, look at most city kids to country kids, most city (suburbanite) kids are spoiled little brats who go out and do whatever they want, no respect for anything. It's all about getting drunks, getting laid, and taking no responsibility for their actions.
A lot of these southern country boys grew up in the stick working hard and earning what they have. I'd rather be living next to southern boys than some northern nassal accent city slicker who thinks they know everything about life when in reality, they are just arrogant.
No offense to northerners, just bad experiences.
People don't respect the south though and we're treated like the armpit of America.
Gun owners aren't respected either, people act like we're a bunch of criminals or registered sex offenders and we must be up to no good because we own firearms. I really don't understand that concept at all.
Listen..i think that certain citizens are allowed to have guns..You displayed a picture of a gun that seems unusual for self-defense...
And I'm not one who had ever thought that if one owned a gun they were a registered sex offender or anything of that sort.
Personally, I never grew up in a tough neighborhood like the majority on this forum. I have no pre-judgement on those who wish to defend themselves and do what they need to do. I just tell myself, what size does the gun need to be if it is for self-defense? HOw many guns does one need? ANd then when I hear one needs 20 weapons...I think, "Oh boy....I guess you live in the jungles of Nicaragua."
According to the constitution, the people have the right to have guns, what are people? Well a person would be someone with rights. Convicted felons and sex offenders don't have rights.
I never stated that gun owners are sex offenders, moreso that we are compared to them in a fashion that we are stereotyped as being shady or not upstanding citizens, etc.
Why does it matter what the size of the gun is or how many I have? Do I ask women how many pairs of shoes they have or how many action figures someone collects. I have different guns for different jobs, pistol for CCW, shotgun for home defense, rifle for shtf, and I collect world war II rifles for historical purposes.
Again, you may not realize it, but this is common to what liberal anti-gunners say, and you have been conditioned by that regardless if you think otherwise, however I won't fault you for it, we're all here to promote gun ownership and education.
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After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Take the kid out shooting.
Children that know about and respect guns don't shoot themselves or others accidentally.
On the contrary, children who are sheltered by gun-fearing parents are the ones who have 'accidents'.
I agree with Scriabin because I grew up with guns in my house and I knew not to touch them
that's because you are a good boy...
Scenario here, a kid who has never used a gun or been taught discipline about it is told "no stay away from guns", most kids are instinctive about being 'rebellious', it's natural to rebel against law and what your told. The child is at a friends house and finds the fathers gun and playing around with it like they see in the movies, wanting to play cops and robbers and someone is shot.
This has to do with lack of education.
I shot my first gun when I was about 10 years old, my dad had me in the basement with a shotgun, he had it setup for shooting. I remember the first time I shot it, I felt the recoil and saw what it did to the target, I knew guns weren't a joke and knew not to touch them after seeing what it could do to a person.
Kids who are taught to respect and use things the way they are meant to be usually grow up a much better person, look at most city kids to country kids, most city (suburbanite) kids are spoiled little brats who go out and do whatever they want, no respect for anything. It's all about getting drunks, getting laid, and taking no responsibility for their actions.
A lot of these southern country boys grew up in the stick working hard and earning what they have. I'd rather be living next to southern boys than some northern nassal accent city slicker who thinks they know everything about life when in reality, they are just arrogant.
No offense to northerners, just bad experiences.
People don't respect the south though and we're treated like the armpit of America.
Gun owners aren't respected either, people act like we're a bunch of criminals or registered sex offenders and we must be up to no good because we own firearms. I really don't understand that concept at all.
Listen..i think that certain citizens are allowed to have guns..You displayed a picture of a gun that seems unusual for self-defense...
And I'm not one who had ever thought that if one owned a gun they were a registered sex offender or anything of that sort.
Personally, I never grew up in a tough neighborhood like the majority on this forum. I have no pre-judgement on those who wish to defend themselves and do what they need to do. I just tell myself, what size does the gun need to be if it is for self-defense? HOw many guns does one need? ANd then when I hear one needs 20 weapons...I think, "Oh boy....I guess you live in the jungles of Nicaragua."
According to the constitution, the people have the right to have guns, what are people? Well a person would be someone with rights. Convicted felons and sex offenders don't have rights.
I never stated that gun owners are sex offenders, moreso that we are compared to them in a fashion that we are stereotyped as being shady or not upstanding citizens, etc.
Why does it matter what the size of the gun is or how many I have? Do I ask women how many pairs of shoes they have or how many action figures someone collects. I have different guns for different jobs, pistol for CCW, shotgun for home defense, rifle for shtf, and I collect world war II rifles for historical purposes.
Again, you may not realize it, but this is common to what liberal anti-gunners say, and you have been conditioned by that regardless if you think otherwise, however I won't fault you for it, we're all here to promote gun ownership and education.
Ok so we agree, bad people shouldn't have guns.
You need one gun for CCW(?), one for home defense, one for (shtf? is that hunting?), a bunch for collection museum purposes...that's fine. I have no problem with gun ownership.
THen you have machine guns and guns used with the intention to kill and target and assasinate people..i'm all for being law abiding citizens...that means you can have guns, but to use them for evil purposes is a no go...
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After much thought, I worry that if I had a gun in my house, that Gd forbid my child woudl find it and think it's a toy and Gd forbid kill someone with it.
Take the kid out shooting.
Children that know about and respect guns don't shoot themselves or others accidentally.
On the contrary, children who are sheltered by gun-fearing parents are the ones who have 'accidents'.
I agree with Scriabin because I grew up with guns in my house and I knew not to touch them
that's because you are a good boy...
Scenario here, a kid who has never used a gun or been taught discipline about it is told "no stay away from guns", most kids are instinctive about being 'rebellious', it's natural to rebel against law and what your told. The child is at a friends house and finds the fathers gun and playing around with it like they see in the movies, wanting to play cops and robbers and someone is shot.
This has to do with lack of education.
I shot my first gun when I was about 10 years old, my dad had me in the basement with a shotgun, he had it setup for shooting. I remember the first time I shot it, I felt the recoil and saw what it did to the target, I knew guns weren't a joke and knew not to touch them after seeing what it could do to a person.
Kids who are taught to respect and use things the way they are meant to be usually grow up a much better person, look at most city kids to country kids, most city (suburbanite) kids are spoiled little brats who go out and do whatever they want, no respect for anything. It's all about getting drunks, getting laid, and taking no responsibility for their actions.
A lot of these southern country boys grew up in the stick working hard and earning what they have. I'd rather be living next to southern boys than some northern nassal accent city slicker who thinks they know everything about life when in reality, they are just arrogant.
No offense to northerners, just bad experiences.
People don't respect the south though and we're treated like the armpit of America.
Gun owners aren't respected either, people act like we're a bunch of criminals or registered sex offenders and we must be up to no good because we own firearms. I really don't understand that concept at all.
Listen..i think that certain citizens are allowed to have guns..You displayed a picture of a gun that seems unusual for self-defense...
And I'm not one who had ever thought that if one owned a gun they were a registered sex offender or anything of that sort.
Personally, I never grew up in a tough neighborhood like the majority on this forum. I have no pre-judgement on those who wish to defend themselves and do what they need to do. I just tell myself, what size does the gun need to be if it is for self-defense? HOw many guns does one need? ANd then when I hear one needs 20 weapons...I think, "Oh boy....I guess you live in the jungles of Nicaragua."
According to the constitution, the people have the right to have guns, what are people? Well a person would be someone with rights. Convicted felons and sex offenders don't have rights.
I never stated that gun owners are sex offenders, moreso that we are compared to them in a fashion that we are stereotyped as being shady or not upstanding citizens, etc.
Why does it matter what the size of the gun is or how many I have? Do I ask women how many pairs of shoes they have or how many action figures someone collects. I have different guns for different jobs, pistol for CCW, shotgun for home defense, rifle for shtf, and I collect world war II rifles for historical purposes.
Again, you may not realize it, but this is common to what liberal anti-gunners say, and you have been conditioned by that regardless if you think otherwise, however I won't fault you for it, we're all here to promote gun ownership and education.
Ok so we agree, bad people shouldn't have guns.
You need one gun for CCW(?), one for home defense, one for (shtf? is that hunting?), a bunch for collection museum purposes...that's fine. I have no problem with gun ownership.
THen you have machine guns and guns used with the intention to kill and target and assasinate people..i'm all for being law abiding citizens...that means you can have guns, but to use them for evil purposes is a no go...
shtf = sh*t hits the fan, I don't hunt. usually a reference to the economy crashing or the UN disarming people, hurricane katrina, etc. By the way, rifles aren't just used for hunting, they are also used for target shooting, sporting purposes, and skeet/trap (usually shotguns).
Btw, I've said it before, they are not machine guns. These are semi-automatic (1 shot per pull of the trigger) legal variants for civilian ownership. You cannot judge a gun based on it's cosmetics, it is not the same thing, they are incapable of firing fully automatic. A machine gun is a full automatic firearm. The only recent case of a machine gun being used in a crime was the north hollywood shootout in 97, of course that was heavy modification to the firearm (drilling a 3rd hole in the AK47 receiver and dropping in a full auto sear).
You are assuming I have guns for the intention of assassinating or killing people, again, that's not my intention and I don't appreciate someone accusing me of that being my intention.
What makes my rifle so different than a handgun? You tell me, they both go bang, and we're both capable of killing a person with either tool.
Another thing, convicted felons should be locked up and sex offenders should be as well, theres no reason they should be on our streets.
Furthermore, we need to redefine what a felony is, you can become a felon for oral sex in alabama or possession of a sex toy (I kid you not), you can also become a felon for prank calls and other silly little things, do I have a problem with martha stewart owning a gun? Absolutely not, what she did was stupid but she shouldn't be a felon.
Dan you need to watch the following video on the confusion of "machine guns"
It was made by a cop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0
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Here is the BOTTOM LINE:
GET A GUN. NUF SED.
Do it for your WIVES, do it for your CHILDREN, do it for YOURSELF, WHY are people so AGAINST a gun?? They carry them in Israel, SMART people make SURE they have one here in the states- Matter of FACT- During the 1700's people were REQUIRED to have a GUN, it was AGAINST the LAW- NOT TO. Why? B/c the GOVT had NO $$$$ THEY HAD TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!!! WE HAVE NO $$$$ now- so GET A GUN. BE AMERICAN for crying out loud!
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Here is the BOTTOM LINE:
GET A GUN. NUF SED.
Do it for your WIVES, do it for your CHILDREN, do it for YOURSELF, WHY are people so AGAINST a gun?? They carry them in Israel, SMART people make SURE they have one here in the states- Matter of FACT- During the 1700's people were REQUIRED to have a GUN, it was AGAINST the LAW- NOT TO. Why? B/c the GOVT had NO $$$$ THEY HAD TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!!! WE HAVE NO $$$$ now- so GET A GUN. BE AMERICAN for crying out loud!
Exactly.
the government should fear the people, not the other way around.
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Here is the BOTTOM LINE:
GET A GUN. NUF SED.
Do it for your WIVES, do it for your CHILDREN, do it for YOURSELF, WHY are people so AGAINST a gun?? They carry them in Israel, SMART people make SURE they have one here in the states- Matter of FACT- During the 1700's people were REQUIRED to have a GUN, it was AGAINST the LAW- NOT TO. Why? B/c the GOVT had NO $$$$ THEY HAD TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!!! WE HAVE NO $$$$ now- so GET A GUN. BE AMERICAN for crying out loud!
i enjoy your posts so much Paulette :) i have ord'd my b/f to go get the guns out of storage and buy ammunition before that MONSTER gets elected. i am also following the advice of the moderator (i can't remember her name now ???) to fully stock the shelves with food, have cash on hand, and TO ARM OURSELVES! i bet we are the only people in the neighborhood w/out a gun in the house. he is so stupid. i need a new b/f. :love:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syU9eio6t8
This is a great video to show how many regular Americans own "machine guns" ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syU9eio6t8
This is a great video to show how many regular Americans own "machine guns" ;)
Man I want to go there :dance:
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Is that your gun collection AH???????? :laugh:
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I have kind of a dilemma. I currently don't own a gun, but will buy one if Obama wins the election since he will expedite the country's transition into third-world status. But if I purchase and register a gun, Obama's gonna have it confiscated anyway, and now I'll still have no gun plus am out some serious cash.
See where I'm going with this? Should I even bother buying a gun, and if so, how do I keep it when they're eventually banned?
(sorry if this has been covered in previous posts)
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Should I even bother buying a gun, and if so, how do I keep it when they're eventually banned?
All righteous people should be armed.
Don't worry about 'if'.
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I have kind of a dilemma. I currently don't own a gun, but will buy one if Obama wins the election since he will expedite the country's transition into third-world status. But if I purchase and register a gun, Obama's gonna have it confiscated anyway, and now I'll still have no gun plus am out some serious cash.
See where I'm going with this? Should I even bother buying a gun, and if so, how do I keep it when they're eventually banned?
(sorry if this has been covered in previous posts)
First things first, if you wait for Obama to get in power, you will lose your chance at owning a gun.
Second, you have options, you do not have to buy from a gun dealer, you can buy off the books (depending the state you live in) at gun shows, flea markets or face to face deals. Even then, I highly doubt confiscation is going to occur, it's a last straw. Even Canada knew that confiscation was suicide and instead, they just simply banned new sales or manufacture of the weapons letting the old owners keep theres. California made all old owners register and basically once they decease, the weapon is destroyed when the owner dies.
Furthermore, if confiscation ever happens, theres going to be a revolt in this country and a new civil war, you don't give up your guns and you don't allow feds to confiscate it, that's unconstitutional and they are committing treason if it comes down to that. I won't tell you what to do, but if anyone comes to harm my family, I am going to shoot them. That isn't a threat, that is a promise, and yes that's lawful under the constitution. I won't be giving up my guns either, they will take them from my cold dead hands./
Of course you should consider buying a gun, you tell me what your looking for and I'll help you with your purchase. Do what you want with it, buy a couple and pack them in cosmoline, bury them for when you need them, keep others by your bed. I recommend a rifle or a pistol, a rifle gives you more accuracy and better range, a handgun is great for concealing and portability.
I won't advocate breaking the law, but you should have guns at all times in the event SHTF.
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I have kind of a dilemma. I currently don't own a gun, but will buy one if Obama wins the election since he will expedite the country's transition into third-world status. But if I purchase and register a gun, Obama's gonna have it confiscated anyway, and now I'll still have no gun plus am out some serious cash.
See where I'm going with this? Should I even bother buying a gun, and if so, how do I keep it when they're eventually banned?
(sorry if this has been covered in previous posts)
First things first, if you wait for Obama to get in power, you will lose your chance at owning a gun.
Second, you have options, you do not have to buy from a gun dealer, you can buy off the books (depending the state you live in) at gun shows, flea markets or face to face deals. Even then, I highly doubt confiscation is going to occur, it's a last straw. Even Canada knew that confiscation was suicide and instead, they just simply banned new sales or manufacture of the weapons letting the old owners keep theres. California made all old owners register and basically once they decease, the weapon is destroyed when the owner dies.
Furthermore, if confiscation ever happens, theres going to be a revolt in this country and a new civil war, you don't give up your guns and you don't allow feds to confiscate it, that's unconstitutional and they are committing treason if it comes down to that. I won't tell you what to do, but if anyone comes to harm my family, I am going to shoot them. That isn't a threat, that is a promise, and yes that's lawful under the constitution. I won't be giving up my guns either, they will take them from my cold dead hands./
Of course you should consider buying a gun, you tell me what your looking for and I'll help you with your purchase. Do what you want with it, buy a couple and pack them in cosmoline, bury them for when you need them, keep others by your bed. I recommend a rifle or a pistol, a rifle gives you more accuracy and better range, a handgun is great for concealing and portability.
I won't advocate breaking the law, but you should have guns at all times in the event SHTF.
White Israelite,
Thanks for the excellent response. Everything you said makes perfect sense. I've already picked out the guns I'm going to buy which I mentioned earlier in this thread - S&W .38 special revolver (very small and concealable) and a Baretta 12 gauge semi (will use for trap shooting as well). Would be open to other suggestions as well.
I was planning on buying them from a dealer and registering as required by state law. If I ever do have to defend myself, I figure it will look better in court that the guns were legal. Which reminds me of that expression - better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Thanks again.
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I have kind of a dilemma. I currently don't own a gun, but will buy one if Obama wins the election since he will expedite the country's transition into third-world status. But if I purchase and register a gun, Obama's gonna have it confiscated anyway, and now I'll still have no gun plus am out some serious cash.
See where I'm going with this? Should I even bother buying a gun, and if so, how do I keep it when they're eventually banned?
(sorry if this has been covered in previous posts)
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First things first, if you wait for Obama to get in power, you will lose your chance at owning a gun.
Second, you have options, you do not have to buy from a gun dealer, you can buy off the books (depending the state you live in) at gun shows, flea markets or face to face deals. Even then, I highly doubt confiscation is going to occur, it's a last straw. Even Canada knew that confiscation was suicide and instead, they just simply banned new sales or manufacture of the weapons letting the old owners keep theres. California made all old owners register and basically once they decease, the weapon is destroyed when the owner dies.
Furthermore, if confiscation ever happens, theres going to be a revolt in this country and a new civil war, you don't give up your guns and you don't allow feds to confiscate it, that's unconstitutional and they are committing treason if it comes down to that. I won't tell you what to do, but if anyone comes to harm my family, I am going to shoot them. That isn't a threat, that is a promise, and yes that's lawful under the constitution. I won't be giving up my guns either, they will take them from my cold dead hands./
Of course you should consider buying a gun, you tell me what your looking for and I'll help you with your purchase. Do what you want with it, buy a couple and pack them in cosmoline, bury them for when you need them, keep others by your bed. I recommend a rifle or a pistol, a rifle gives you more accuracy and better range, a handgun is great for concealing and portability.
I won't advocate breaking the law, but you should have guns at all times in the event SHTF.
White Israelite,
Thanks for the excellent response. Everything you said makes perfect sense. I've already picked out the guns I'm going to buy which I mentioned earlier in this thread - S&W .38 special revolver (very small and concealable) and a Baretta 12 gauge semi (will use for trap shooting as well). Would be open to other suggestions as well.
I was planning on buying them from a dealer and registering as required by state law. If I ever do have to defend myself, I figure it will look better in court that the guns were legal. Which reminds me of that expression - better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Thanks again.
Where do you live again? It depends on the state if you have to register with them or not. The difference with federal registration (when you fill out a ATF 4473) is that it's kept at the gun shop and not the police so they have to get a subpoena (which gives...dealers time to lose the paperwork on a fishing trip somewhere wink wink nudge nudge), but if it's registered in the state with the police, they know who has the guns and can confiscate. Confiscation as mentioned though is very unlikely but it's not out of the question. Resist confiscation if it happens.
Case in example, Nazi Germany in the 1930's made it illegal for Jews to own guns, would you have complied? I sure as hell wouldn't. More of us would have survived if we had resisted.
Edit: my damn rifles still on backorder, I got my Galil back in the mail today, hopefully they will have VZ-58's in stock this week so they can ship my order out, I'm out about 820 bucks already on this new purchase. Guns aren't cheap damnit.
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I live in California. I simply assumed guns had to be registered with the state but I could be wrong. I'll check it out tomorrow. Yes, guns are expensive. I'll be spending at least $1,500. But with Obama on the verge of being our next president, I no longer have a choice. Living in a third-world banana republic is going to be dangerous.
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I live in California. I simply assumed guns had to be registered with the state but I could be wrong. I'll check it out tomorrow. Yes, guns are expensive. I'll be spending at least $1,500. But with Obama on the verge of being our next president, I no longer have a choice. Living in a third-world banana republic is going to be dangerous.
I think getting a shotgun is easiest...handguns maybe a little harder...but having both probably a good idea.
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I live in California. I simply assumed guns had to be registered with the state but I could be wrong. I'll check it out tomorrow. Yes, guns are expensive. I'll be spending at least $1,500. But with Obama on the verge of being our next president, I no longer have a choice. Living in a third-world banana republic is going to be dangerous.
I've never heard of that law in california, it's possible some cities have that in place like san francisco but normally it's state level. I do know over 10 round mags are banned and AK47 type rifles are also banned.
You can get sporterized versions of the m16 and a few other weapons, SKS are legal in California so I heavily recommend those, they are cheap too, about 175-220 dollars and very reliable, they take 7.62 x 39 and California legal.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/SKS_Flickr.jpg/800px-SKS_Flickr.jpg)
It was used in Vietnam to kick our butts, it's a fine rifle. They don't use magazines, you load it with a stripper clip and it holds 10 rounds. Unfortunately in California, won't be able to get it with the bayonet lug so it'll usually be removed, but you don't really need it for practical use anyways.
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I live in California. I simply assumed guns had to be registered with the state but I could be wrong. I'll check it out tomorrow. Yes, guns are expensive. I'll be spending at least $1,500. But with Obama on the verge of being our next president, I no longer have a choice. Living in a third-world banana republic is going to be dangerous.
I think getting a shotgun is easiest...handguns maybe a little harder...but having both probably a good idea.
Depends, handguns generally cost more, and at least in Florida you can't buy them same day here, they make you fill out the form and come back 3 days later which sucks. I prefer a handgun for home defense because it's easier than lugging around a big shotgun in the middle of the night if someone breaks in, then again, it's kind of hard to miss with a shotgun and the cocking of a shotgun is normally enough to intimidate the bad guy to the point he's running out the back door for his life.
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I live in California. I simply assumed guns had to be registered with the state but I could be wrong. I'll check it out tomorrow. Yes, guns are expensive. I'll be spending at least $1,500. But with Obama on the verge of being our next president, I no longer have a choice. Living in a third-world banana republic is going to be dangerous.
I've never heard of that law in california, it's possible some cities have that in place like san francisco but normally it's state level. I do know over 10 round mags are banned and AK47 type rifles are also banned.
I spoke to a couple of gun shops and guns purchased in California have to be registered with the state as well as the feds. They also said that any type of gun confiscation is very unlikely.
I found out there's a gun show in a couple of weeks close to where I live. Having never been to a gun show, any do's and don'ts I need to know about?
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I live in California. I simply assumed guns had to be registered with the state but I could be wrong. I'll check it out tomorrow. Yes, guns are expensive. I'll be spending at least $1,500. But with Obama on the verge of being our next president, I no longer have a choice. Living in a third-world banana republic is going to be dangerous.
I've never heard of that law in california, it's possible some cities have that in place like san francisco but normally it's state level. I do know over 10 round mags are banned and AK47 type rifles are also banned.
I spoke to a couple of gun shops and guns purchased in California have to be registered with the state as well as the feds. They also said that any type of gun confiscation is very unlikely.
I found out there's a gun show in a couple of weeks close to where I live. Having never been to a gun show, any do's and don'ts I need to know about?
Not in particular, avoid cheap unknown brand names, those small cheap 100 dollar pocket pistols or spanish revolvers made in the 1950's, that kind of thing. I think most of those are banned in California anyways. You get what you pay for.
Ask questions about the firearm, warranty, look at the bore and make sure it's shiney and not corroded or black (a lot of bores on surplus rifles tend to be shot out), make sure magazines are in good shape.
Ammunition, avoid other peoples reloads, buy commercial ammo or reload your own ammo.
Avoid politics if you can
Keep safety rules in mind and ask dealers if you can handle the weapon before touching it, most will have a ziptie on it so you can't pull the slide back but the magazines are removeable.
Lots of nazi surplus and reproductions made in China sold at the events, avoid those people.
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People should also buy knives just in case you need to use it
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I live in California. I simply assumed guns had to be registered with the state but I could be wrong. I'll check it out tomorrow. Yes, guns are expensive. I'll be spending at least $1,500. But with Obama on the verge of being our next president, I no longer have a choice. Living in a third-world banana republic is going to be dangerous.
I've never heard of that law in california, it's possible some cities have that in place like san francisco but normally it's state level. I do know over 10 round mags are banned and AK47 type rifles are also banned.
I spoke to a couple of gun shops and guns purchased in California have to be registered with the state as well as the feds. They also said that any type of gun confiscation is very unlikely.
I found out there's a gun show in a couple of weeks close to where I live. Having never been to a gun show, any do's and don'ts I need to know about?
Not in particular, avoid cheap unknown brand names, those small cheap 100 dollar pocket pistols or spanish revolvers made in the 1950's, that kind of thing. I think most of those are banned in California anyways. You get what you pay for.
Ask questions about the firearm, warranty, look at the bore and make sure it's shiney and not corroded or black (a lot of bores on surplus rifles tend to be shot out), make sure magazines are in good shape.
Ammunition, avoid other peoples reloads, buy commercial ammo or reload your own ammo.
Avoid politics if you can
Keep safety rules in mind and ask dealers if you can handle the weapon before touching it, most will have a ziptie on it so you can't pull the slide back but the magazines are removeable.
Lots of nazi surplus and reproductions made in China sold at the events, avoid those people.
The gun shop I spoke to recommended I not purchase a gun from a gun show. They said, if there's any problem with the gun, it may be difficult to get any service followup. Of course, I would expect a gun shop to say this, but it sounds logical. Is it simply the better option to buy a gun from a gun shop?
And do you necessarily get better deals at gun shows?
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I live in California. I simply assumed guns had to be registered with the state but I could be wrong. I'll check it out tomorrow. Yes, guns are expensive. I'll be spending at least $1,500. But with Obama on the verge of being our next president, I no longer have a choice. Living in a third-world banana republic is going to be dangerous.
I've never heard of that law in california, it's possible some cities have that in place like san francisco but normally it's state level. I do know over 10 round mags are banned and AK47 type rifles are also banned.
I spoke to a couple of gun shops and guns purchased in California have to be registered with the state as well as the feds. They also said that any type of gun confiscation is very unlikely.
I found out there's a gun show in a couple of weeks close to where I live. Having never been to a gun show, any do's and don'ts I need to know about?
Not in particular, avoid cheap unknown brand names, those small cheap 100 dollar pocket pistols or spanish revolvers made in the 1950's, that kind of thing. I think most of those are banned in California anyways. You get what you pay for.
Ask questions about the firearm, warranty, look at the bore and make sure it's shiney and not corroded or black (a lot of bores on surplus rifles tend to be shot out), make sure magazines are in good shape.
Ammunition, avoid other peoples reloads, buy commercial ammo or reload your own ammo.
Avoid politics if you can
Keep safety rules in mind and ask dealers if you can handle the weapon before touching it, most will have a ziptie on it so you can't pull the slide back but the magazines are removeable.
Lots of nazi surplus and reproductions made in China sold at the events, avoid those people.
The gun shop I spoke to recommended I not purchase a gun from a gun show. They said, if there's any problem with the gun, it may be difficult to get any service followup. Of course, I would expect a gun shop to say this, but it sounds logical. Is it simply the better option to buy a gun from a gun shop?
And do you necessarily get better deals at gun shows?
That's not true at all, there are plenty of official dealers that go to gun shows, sounds like he wanted your business. Plus you don't go to a gun dealer if your gun has problems, you go through the gun manufacturer. If the guns new, it should come with a warranty card of some sort. If your buying from a private dealer, that's a different story, however buying from a private dealer will not leave a paper trail which is good since government doesn't know if you have the gun or not. I'm unaware of the laws with private or face to face transactions in your state.
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bottom line...I would consider White Israelite to be the expert on the topic of firearms...Listen closely...
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Anyone else getting a gun before November? I seen a few people voted for "I want to but i can't", perhaps you can explain why you can't? Perhaps it's just very difficult depending where you live but I can assist anyone to get one if they really need one. This is really an important subject.
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Anyone else getting a gun before November? I seen a few people voted for "I want to but i can't", perhaps you can explain why you can't? Perhaps it's just very difficult depending where you live but I can assist anyone to get one if they really need one. This is really an important subject.
White Israelite has been a really big help to me. I'd encourage anyone with questions about guns to take advantage of his expertise. :clap:
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My rifles been on backorder for about 3 weeks now ;( hopefully they'll have some in stock next week. Need to pick up another SKS as well.
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what shotgun brands are good?
I am considering mossberg 500 for home protection.
the only brands they have in stock near me are Charles Daily, a brand called "Interstate" and another brand called
H & R I think. Are these brands OK?
They also have Remington but they are a bit longer and I want the shortest length legal.
any advice?
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what shotgun brands are good?
I am considering mossberg 500 for home protection.
the only brands they have in stock near me are Charles Daily, a brand called "Interstate" and another brand called
H & R I think. Are these brands OK?
They also have Remington but they are a bit longer and I want the shortest length legal.
any advice?
Get a Remington 870. You can take off the end stock and add pistol grips.
The Mossberg is expensive.
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what shotgun brands are good?
I am considering mossberg 500 for home protection.
the only brands they have in stock near me are Charles Daily, a brand called "Interstate" and another brand called
H & R I think. Are these brands OK?
They also have Remington but they are a bit longer and I want the shortest length legal.
any advice?
Get a Remington 870. You can take off the end stock and add pistol grips.
The Mossberg is expensive.
$250 is expensive for a Mossberg 500? Thought that was a bargain...........
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what shotgun brands are good?
I am considering mossberg 500 for home protection.
the only brands they have in stock near me are Charles Daily, a brand called "Interstate" and another brand called
H & R I think. Are these brands OK?
They also have Remington but they are a bit longer and I want the shortest length legal.
any advice?
Get a Remington 870. You can take off the end stock and add pistol grips.
The Mossberg is expensive.
$250 is expensive for a Mossberg 500? Thought that was a bargain...........
Wow.
They must have lowered their prices.
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what shotgun brands are good?
I am considering mossberg 500 for home protection.
the only brands they have in stock near me are Charles Daily, a brand called "Interstate" and another brand called
H & R I think. Are these brands OK?
They also have Remington but they are a bit longer and I want the shortest length legal.
any advice?
Get a Remington 870. You can take off the end stock and add pistol grips.
The Mossberg is expensive.
$250 is expensive for a Mossberg 500? Thought that was a bargain...........
Wow.
They must have lowered their prices.
I guess so. My uncle purchased it from this site:
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=94587
Get on notification through email if you want that shotgun, it goes quick. The tatical persuader is a bit more, and it looks alot better.
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Mossbergs are nice though the remington is better made imo, milled receiver too.
BTW, you can put a pistol grip on the mossberg as well.
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Mossbergs are nice though the remington is better made imo, milled receiver too.
BTW, you can put a pistol grip on the mossberg as well.
can you put pistol grip on any of the other brands?
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Mossbergs are nice though the remington is better made imo, milled receiver too.
BTW, you can put a pistol grip on the mossberg as well.
can you put pistol grip on any of the other brands?
I don't see why not, practically all shotgun stocks should be removeable.
If pistol grips aren't available, some people just buy an aftermarket stock and cut off the area where your hand goes and then use sandpaper and round it off and use that as the pistol grip. As long as it's legal length (18 inches) in terms of barrel length, your fine.
Mention a brand and i'll find aftermarket parts.
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Just paid for my VZ-58 today, good ol Czech Republic quality, actually the receiver I believe states it's made in Slovakia. The rifle will be shipped today and I should have it by Tuesday, can't wait :D, came with additional goodies, 4 magazines (so 5 total), bayonet, magazine pouch, sling, cleaning kit, some cd on the history of the vz-58 and I think that's pretty much it. The company was supposed to get 20 in stock as I had a backorder for the folding stock version but they ended up getting all fixed stock instead, oh well, no biggy, i'll just buy a folding stock for 30 bucks and switch out the fixed or keep the fixed for the range since it's more accurate.
I feel like I'm cleaned out financially now, purchase came out to be $799.99 + 18 dollar shipping fee, then I gotta pay a $25.00 FFL fee for the background check and transfer, gotta order a couple thousand more rounds of 7.62 x 39 and more magazines. Probably buy an Intbel FAL .308 next.
Pure sexy
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/vz58-1.jpg)
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/DSC03583.jpg)
Here is video on the reliability of the VZ-58, over 4000 rounds in fully automatic just to cause one stoppage, pretty damn reliable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSLV9rd53vw
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Here's the handgun I'm thinking about buying. S&W model 442 - .38 special, five chamber, hammerless revolver. Very small, light, and concealable. Retails about $500. Opinions?
(http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/26306.jpg)
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Here's the handgun I'm thinking about buying. S&W model 442 - .38 special, five chamber, hammerless revolver. Very small, light, and concealable. Retails about $500. Opinions?
(http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/26306.jpg)
That's a good one.
The hammerless feature allows you to put the weapon in a pocket without getting the hammer hung-up on the lining of your pants.
The barrel is nice and short, its black and therefore doesn't reflect light.
Some members will mock the five-shot capacity of the 442, but unless you're fighting off a gang of assassins, a gun like this is all you need.
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Excellent choice. My father left me his .38 Smith and Wesson snub after he passed away. I fear that white ra cists will be angry if Obama wins and will look to take it out on us blacks. :'( I'm DEFINATELY going to start packing.
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Here's the handgun I'm thinking about buying. S&W model 442 - .38 special, five chamber, hammerless revolver. Very small, light, and concealable. Retails about $500. Opinions?
(http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/26306.jpg)
Might be able to get it less than $500.00, if you need something quick and live in a area with restrictive gun laws, go for it. A snub nose is fine though I would prefer a stainless model as they are much harder to rust.
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Just bought a Romanian AK47 G spec kit (Civil Guard military spec) from some guy on IRC for $200.00, getting a receiver for 56 bucks and putting it together myself with the legal 922(r) compliant parts. Need to get a few drum magazines, it'll cost me less than 300 bucks to put this thing together.
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Some people here - Dr. Dan specifically - are confusing semi-automatic with automatic. Nobody here as far as I know is actually talking about getting a real AK-47 or M-16. Only semi-automatic (in other words, one shot with one trigger pull - you only need to manually chamber a roound when first putting in a new magazine. As opposed to a bolt-action rifle where you must manually chamber each new round) are easily available. It's possible to get fully automatic weapons but it takes a lot of cash and a lot of red tape.
I already have a lot of guns, but what I really need is more ammo. I'm getting low lately.
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Got my VZ-58 the other day
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0642.jpg)
and the three next to each other
Galil, rockriver M4, VZ-58, sorry for bad quality my flash sucks
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0633.jpg)
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Got my VZ-58 the other day
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0642.jpg)
and the three next to each other
Galil, rockriver M4, VZ-58, sorry for bad quality my flash sucks
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0633.jpg)
Is the first one fully auto?
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I have a gun question....I bought a shoulder holster today (first time I ever bought one). Its for a 38 spl.
Thing is, I can't figure out how to put it on! No directions came with it. Can anyone advise me on this?
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Got my VZ-58 the other day
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0642.jpg)
and the three next to each other
Galil, rockriver M4, VZ-58, sorry for bad quality my flash sucks
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0633.jpg)
Is the first one fully auto?
I wish lol, semi-automatic.
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I have a gun question....I bought a shoulder holster today (first time I ever bought one). Its for a 38 spl.
Thing is, I can't figure out how to put it on! No directions came with it. Can anyone advise me on this?
Kinda like suspenders, list the brand and i'll find instructions for ya.
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OK, this is what I bought today:
Holster: Horizontal shoulder holster by Bagmaster, Model SHH, Size DH
Harness: Ambidextrous Shoulder Holster, Model HSH, Size 2 1/2
THANKS!!
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Got my VZ-58 the other day
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0642.jpg)
and the three next to each other
Galil, rockriver M4, VZ-58, sorry for bad quality my flash sucks
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0633.jpg)
Is the first one fully auto?
I wish lol, semi-automatic.
Why not update it
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OK, this is what I bought today:
Holster: Horizontal shoulder holster by Bagmaster, Model SHH, Size DH
Harness: Ambidextrous Shoulder Holster, Model HSH, Size 2 1/2
THANKS!!
This is what I was able to find
"If your putting one arm in at a time your wrong. If your left handed the holster goes under the right arm. If your right handed the holster goes under your left arm. Put both arm in then lift the center over your head. Kind of like putting on a t-shirt. Unless it has elastic in the straps you cant put it on one arm at a time. Unless your double jointed."
I'm not sure why you had to buy a separate holster, most harnesses i've seen come with the holster.
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Got my VZ-58 the other day
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0642.jpg)
and the three next to each other
Galil, rockriver M4, VZ-58, sorry for bad quality my flash sucks
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0633.jpg)
Is the first one fully auto?
I wish lol, semi-automatic.
Why not update it
Federal felony, penalty = 10 years in federal prison + loss of rights permanently.
Possession of a unregistered machine gun is not a fun crime to get charged with
Picture of kickass bayonet they sent me
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0622.jpg)
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Got my VZ-58 the other day
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0642.jpg)
and the three next to each other
Galil, rockriver M4, VZ-58, sorry for bad quality my flash sucks
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0633.jpg)
Is the first one fully auto?
I wish lol, semi-automatic.
Why not update it
Federal felony, penalty = 10 years in federal prison + loss of rights permanently.
Possession of a unregistered machine gun is not a fun crime to get charged with
Picture of kickass bayonet they sent me
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0622.jpg)
I have that knife I bought it for 15$
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Got my VZ-58 the other day
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0642.jpg)
and the three next to each other
Galil, rockriver M4, VZ-58, sorry for bad quality my flash sucks
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0633.jpg)
Is the first one fully auto?
I wish lol, semi-automatic.
Why not update it
Federal felony, penalty = 10 years in federal prison + loss of rights permanently.
Possession of a unregistered machine gun is not a fun crime to get charged with
Picture of kickass bayonet they sent me
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0622.jpg)
I have that knife I bought it for 15$
Yeah their uber cheap, you can get them for 8 bucks on centerfiresystems, what a bargain.
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Got my VZ-58 the other day
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0642.jpg)
and the three next to each other
Galil, rockriver M4, VZ-58, sorry for bad quality my flash sucks
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0633.jpg)
Is the first one fully auto?
I wish lol, semi-automatic.
Why not update it
Federal felony, penalty = 10 years in federal prison + loss of rights permanently.
Possession of a unregistered machine gun is not a fun crime to get charged with
Picture of kickass bayonet they sent me
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0622.jpg)
I have that knife I bought it for 15$
Yeah their uber cheap, you can get them for 8 bucks on centerfiresystems, what a bargain.
The one I get where used during the war
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Got my VZ-58 the other day
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0642.jpg)
and the three next to each other
Galil, rockriver M4, VZ-58, sorry for bad quality my flash sucks
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0633.jpg)
Is the first one fully auto?
I wish lol, semi-automatic.
Why not update it
Federal felony, penalty = 10 years in federal prison + loss of rights permanently.
Possession of a unregistered machine gun is not a fun crime to get charged with
Picture of kickass bayonet they sent me
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/PILMAN/IMG_0622.jpg)
I have that knife I bought it for 15$
Yeah their uber cheap, you can get them for 8 bucks on centerfiresystems, what a bargain.
The one I get where used during the war
That VZ-58 is probably going to have some value behind it, very few were made (less than 1 million), their popular in Canada since AK's are banned there, but it's really well made. It's lighter than an AK47 and a m16 but yet it's milled receiver and shoots 7.62 x 39, i'm surprised the soviets let them use it as well. It may be a commie weapon, but it's very well made.
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Is that real wood on the gun?
If so what type?
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Is that real wood on the gun?
If so what type?
Bakelite.
I'm wondering if I should throw a folder stock on there, only one screw.
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Enough with the pictures already.
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Enough with the pictures already.
What's wrong with pictures?
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yeah, if i don't leave the country w/our money. i refuse to live in a Obama Nation.
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My husband said that people are flocking to the gun stores in our midwest state. They are buying tons of guns. My husband plans to go and get some. His friends at work have all been stocking up.
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"A .22 for every Jew." Kahane said that. He was right then and he's right now. Never Again!
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My husband said that people are flocking to the gun stores in our midwest state. They are buying tons of guns. My husband plans to go and get some. His friends at work have all been stocking up.
good. stay safe Mo and your family.
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I LOVE RIFLES AND HAVE THEM THEIR ARE NO PLACES YOU CAN'NT HAVE A RIFLE .IN SOME PLACES IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET A PERMIT FOR A SIDEARM, LOL I DON'NT BUY MY SIDEARMS WITH A PERMIT BUT IT'S STILL LEGAL FOR ME TO HAVE THEM
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"A .22 for every Jew." Kahane said that. He was right then and he's right now. Never Again!
Rabbi Kahane added, "I would have said, 'every Jew an M-1', but it doesn't rhyme."
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Did you guys buy guns? Their selling out like crazy and prices are going up like crazy.
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Not, yet. I am still trying to get license. Is there a way to speed up that process? I have the form to mail in with ten dollars.
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Not, yet. I am still trying to get license. Is there a way to speed up that process? I have the form to mail in with ten dollars.
Where do you live that you need a license? No way to speed it up unfortunately. Try to get it in asap.
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We already have a houseful of guns.
My dad hunts and collects guns..rifles, handguns whatever.
Fight back. Don't give the Marxist/Muslim a minute's peace to bask in his victory:
http://www.freedommarch.org/
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Oh yeah I lived in Illinois, it's because of that stupid FOID card or firearm owners identification card that my dad lost his guns when we lived there.