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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MassuhDGoodName on April 04, 2007, 10:08:47 AM
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WHAT'S SO IMPORTANT ABOUT HITLER'S WAR ON THE JEWS?
Here's the answer:
It's not the "numbers" of dead and the statistical data subject to discussion or debate.
It's not the fact that in many instances, other nations, groups, ethnicities, and faiths, suffered the same fate as did the Jews.
Nor is it whether or not some tiny minority of people a) earn their livings by exaggerating the Holocaust and constantly referring to it as the center of the Universe; or b) earn their livings by denying that the Holocaust ever existed; all the while insisting that their reasoning proves that the Jews should be annihilated.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ANY HUMAN BEINGS ANYWHERE ON OUR PLANET TO LEARN ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST IS THIS:
Nazi Germany's genocide against the Jewish People, was the first time in all of recorded history, that the nation that was the most advanced of all, in every area of human development--science, medicine, technology, industry, the arts, and yes; social benefits such as nationwide social security benefits...used its full resources: political structure, military, treasury, justice and legal system, science, art, and technology, for the purposes of scapegoating, murdering, torturing, and imprisoning only ONE ethnic / religious population.
While endless atrocities, mass executions, and genocides have occurred throughout history, and continue even today, the Nazi Holocaust was unique in that the sole preoccupation and industry of the most advanced and modern Western Christian Civilization, namely Germany, became the utilization of every state-of-the-art advancement in technology, arts, and sciences to literally annihilate the Jewish People permanently from the face of the Earth.
It is this almost overnight descent of the worlds' most modern and advanced Christian society, into the depths of the world's most savage, inhumane, and pagan depravity, that is the feature which must never be forgotten, and should be taught to every child.
Nationality, religion, ethnicity, race, and / or metaphysics, are not crucial for one's learning of just how thin is the veneer of "civilization", as well as learning the truth about the science of "mind control" and "social engineering" which lead to loss of freedom and slavery.
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Correct.
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The politically correct in American high schools and colleges teach that the Holocaust was on the same level as the so-called European extermination of North American Indians. They teach guilt to young Americans until they become so depressed that they need drugs and inter-racial sex just to get by in life.
What is your opinion on that? I don't agree but I think it's always fair to criticize Anglos.
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What is your opinion on that? I don't agree but I think it's always fair to criticize Anglos.
The thread starter's opinion is very healthy from a Jewish perspective...especially if that Jew happens to live in Israel.
But, if that Jew happens to live in a Gentile nation...then the Gentiles certainly have the right to criticize the opinion of that Jew.
Unfortunately, most Gentile criticism of Jewish accepted Holocaust teaching/interpretation within Gentile Nations is met with, "YOU'RE A NAZI!"
This knee-jerk reaction by Jews to Gentile criticism is a very serious driving force behind recruitment for groups like StørmFrønt. Most White kids have been called racist Nazis so much...that they start to think..."Why don't I become a racist Nazi since I'm going to be accused of being one anyway?"
This is only a conflict because Jews are still living amongst the Gentile Nations.
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It is this almost overnight descent of the worlds' most modern and advanced Christian society, into the depths of the world's most savage, inhumane, and pagan depravity, that is the feature which must never be forgotten, and should be taught to every child.
Some people, with a Christian perspective, might say that the majority of Jews in pre-World War 2 Europe worked tirelessly to undermine Christianity with every opportunity they had. As a result, de-Christianized Europe was ripe to accept the barbarity of Nazism.
Some people, with a Christian perspective, might find similarities between what happened in Europe a century ago with what is happening in American today.
In modern America, 90% of politically active Jews (possibly even more) use all of their resources to undermine the Christianity of the nation. As America is de-Christianizing, it is also becoming become fertile ground for the next breed of neo-Nazi groups (like StørmFrønt).
This is only a conflict because Jews are still living amongst the Gentile Nations.
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Re: "...Some people, with a Christian perspective, might say that the majority of Jews in pre-World War 2 Europe worked tirelessly to undermine Christianity with every opportunity they had..."
Some people, of whatever perspective, might say any damn thing imaginable.
Here are some other brilliant perspectives; they are obviously true, because some people said so...
"There is absolutely nothing about the Catholic Church that is Christian."
"Martin Luther was a heretic inspired by Satan, who has caused every human being outside the Church Of Rome to burn forever in a fiery Hell".
"The Jesuits were invented by THE JEWS!"...."as a secret branch of JEW-BOLSHEVIK-FREEMANSONRY!"
"The Civil War was fought to free the negro slaves"..."The South lost, because they were against G-d and Justice!"
"Senator Joseph McCarthy, was a drunken homosexual on morphine who ruined as many lives as he could, simply to promote his political life."
"Senator Joseph McCarthy, was a Saint who rooted out Communist infiltrators from the American government and media!"
"George Wallace is a name which means racist!"
"The Southern Poverty Law Center, works to keep America free of intolerance!...without them, we might not be free today!"
"Anyone who criticizes homosexuality is a homophobe!...and the government has a right to prosecute and punish them!"
"It's a fact, that THE JEWS own and control all the banks, and all of the media!"
"All Jews are Communists!"
"Jews are all rich...everybody knows they own all the banks....look at Alan Greenspan!...he proves that it's true!"
"Roosevelt was a Jew, whose real name was Rosenfeld."
And, last but not least, my favorite quote from Dr. Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda:
"JESUS COULDN'T have been A JEW!"..."AND I DON'T NEED ANY FACTS TO KNOW THAT!"
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Re: "...This is only a conflict because Jews are still living amongst the Gentile Nations..."
Din Rodef, I find your line of reasoning here absurd.
Your skewed thoughts reflect the following scenario, which is, and has always been, a unique feature of each and every totalitarian ideology.
"Once, there was a perfect world..."A Golden Age"...all races in their respective nations...both sexes with proper relations...one world in perfect harmony....nature and the earth in perfect balance and harmony...UNTIL!...."one day, THE JEW showed up!"[feel free to insert the imaginary boogeyman of your choice in this 'enemy of mankind' slot]......
Since that sad and tragic day, the world has been in the mess we see today...UNREST, CONFLICT...A WORLD OUT OF BALANCE!...So, only when THE JEWS go back where they belong, we pure and good gentiles can once again return to the Garden from whence we came!"
Read Psalms in The Bible.
It is clear that long before any Israelites were exiled from Israel, the gentile world hated Jews and slandered them exactly as is the case today.
Read for yourself -- that at the time that virtually all Jews lived in their own Kingdom in The Land Of Israel, King David wrote that the surrounding nations of the world claimed that Passover and the Crossing of The Reed Sea from Egypt never happened, that Moses never existed, that there was no G-d, no Commandments, and the Jews had simply stolen the land in which they were now living.
King David wrote in his Psalms that his people must ignore the taunts and slanders of the gentiles; relying only on the one G-d for protection and salvation.
Modern examples:
No Jews have ever lived in modern Saudi Arabia; yet it would be difficult to find another country more full of contempt, slander, hatred, and calls for the genocide of the Jewish People.
One of my gentile female professors during my college studies taught that "Oppression of Women" was an invention of THE JEWS! She brainwashed her students to believe that one day, a bunch of bearded Jews in ancient Israel were sitting around the fire talking; they decided "we've got to do something to keep women in their place!" Then, the craftiest of them spoke "...I've got it! Let's stay up all night under this tent, and make up a huge bunch of lies about how this guy Moses talked to G-d and received laws and commandments which call for "women to know their place"...."Then, we will have created "The Patriarchy", and forever oppress women".
Sound nuts?
I so far fail to find any semblance of faith in Christ in any of your posts to date; only lip service followed by a passionate desire to "cleanse your world of Jews".
Just remember; you'll have to destroy every church in America to get the very last Jew out of your life, because each has drawings and statues of a Jew crucified on a cross.
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Hey Din, do you perhaps mean left wing Jews??? Should you be more specific in which Jews exactly are undermining Christianity??
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Fruit asks to noone in particular: "...The politically correct in American high schools and colleges teach that the Holocaust was on the same level as the so-called European extermination of North American Indians. They teach guilt to young Americans..."
Simply put, Fruit old boy...they are mentally ill frauds, all with "Teacher Certification", almost all of whom are unfit for much other than a half-hour of really bad sex.
The European settlers who encountered the Native Indian Americans, left extensive written documentation of the behaviors and customs of the numerous tribes.
Example: Chief Tuscaloosa of Alabama, when he tired of one of his several wives, would grab them and either cut off their breasts with his knife, or cut off their noses, or all of the above.
Just because he felt like it.
It was very common for most tribes to have a tribal "transexual-drag queen male prostitute" for the warrior males to "play" with for a little "release".
Read Mark Twain's account of "The Noble Savage"...in which he "tells it like it is", saying they were the most filthy, disgusting, evil, cunning, stinking, and disease ridden race he'd ever seen. He states that the "Indian brave" of the 18th Century novel, was a mere fiction invented for the edification of the European ignoramuses.
There is no other genocide or massacre in all of history that comes even close to equivalency when compared to the Nazi Holocaust; for the reasons I have already listed in a prior post.
Screw the politically correct bastards.
They will all one day account for their lying propagandizing of Western youth.
There's going to be HELL to pay; and PAYBACKS ARE HELL.
Thanks to European Explorers and Colonists, the "red" natives of the North & South American continents joined the ranks of civilization and learned morality.
Thanks to Christian missionizing, the "red" man is greatly elevated from his prior status as "wild Indian".
Virtually every group of minority reprobates who ceaselessly complain of their "oppression" & "inequality", owe the European whites for every thing in their lives that is decent; and owe only themselves for their own shortcomings.
Great old adage: "You can't grow nothin' on poor soil".
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I do not know why your obvious facts aren't more commonly known.
Edit: I was referring to Massuh's original post.
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What is your opinion on that? I don't agree but I think it's always fair to criticize Anglos.
The thread starter's opinion is very healthy from a Jewish perspective...especially if that Jew happens to live in Israel.
But, if that Jew happens to live in a Gentile nation...then the Gentiles certainly have the right to criticize the opinion of that Jew.
Unfortunately, most Gentile criticism of Jewish accepted Holocaust teaching/interpretation within Gentile Nations is met with, "YOU'RE A NAZI!"
This knee-jerk reaction by Jews to Gentile criticism is a very serious driving force behind recruitment for groups like StørmFrønt. Most White kids have been called racist Nazis so much...that they start to think..."Why don't I become a racist Nazi since I'm going to be accused of being one anyway?"
This is only a conflict because Jews are still living amongst the Gentile Nations.
Have they been called Nazi's so much? I maybe accused 2 or 3 people out of thousands of people I have met and they had to really [censored] me off. I don't think most white kids have been called racist Nazis...unless they shave their head and discuss racialism all the time, talk bad and act bad.
I think it is fair to look at the Holocaust from a logical perpective. It is not 'blasphemy' to question the holocaust and the Jewish account of what happened. It's perfectly fine to ask questions and want proof and to see resources. The problem is, that the sites and sources mentioned (like the one mentioned by TruthTyper in another thread) are pure garbage. See http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/
Even a 5th grader can see the huge gaps in logic that their arguments make. So most Holocaust deniers come up with proofs and reports which are completely fallible, even by the lowest of the low academic standards. There are huge gaps in the logic, and kids do look at these sites and say see, here is proof, I knew those Jews were lying. Then it just becomes twisted. And then we start to get into relativism arguments like comparing it to any other event like the Indians or whatever.
I think the evidence is pretty damning. They set up train tracks to crematoriums. Even the deniers usually admit this in their models. That shows the intent right there. If that alone isn't foul beyond comprehension, we also have hundreds, maybe thousands of eye-witness accounts of what went down there as well as pictures of stacks of dead bodies.
If you want to look further, you could probably look at government census data for Jewish populations then and now.
It comes down to what Chaim talked about on the show this week about looking at it as a judge and not a lawyer.
From a judge looking at this you can't draw to many other conclusions. The evidence is damning.
Then you have the deniers who get a book from the library and circle one or two questionable passages from a book about the Holocaust and say, see it's all a Jewish propoganda lie.
To me it's not about making kids feel guilty, it's about seeing the truth. Calling a duck a duck instead of a monkey. It's a sin to aquit the guilty so easily...Let alone allow them to go on to try similar deeds or to influence children.
If someone was on trial for shoving 5 of your relatives into a woodchipper, and all the evidence points to show that he did it (machines on their property, remains of bodies etc...) would you get pretty pissed when someone says,
"Well, some Indians got shot once' so it's all relative and uh, they would have needed an extension chord to make the machine work, and there wasn't a hardware store within 30 miles!"
I also think it is sorta ironic how guys like 'Ernst Zundel' worked to free Germany from the 'blood libel' of the Holocaust. When it was actually their 'blood libel' against Jews which was used to rationalize the Holocaust.
I don't believe in calling anyone who questions the Holocaust a Nazi, but I don't believe that a Nazi should be aquitted with sham arguments. Someone who readily believes weak arguments against the Holocaust (with so much evidence that all did occur as accounted) probably is either mentally retarded, a Nazi or has Nazi leanings, or has future Nazi desires.
Nazis are a dirty bunch of treachorous faggots, may every last one of them be obliterated forever.
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Din Rodef, I'm getting tired of seeing your ignorant anti-Semitic comments about how a majority of European Jews tried to undermine Christianity and so on.
The majority of European Jews were NOT leftists. The majority of European Jews lived in countries like Poland and Hungary and were either religious or at least traditionalist. The Jewish leftists were the elitist, assimilated, intermarried Jews who were a distinct MINORITY of the Jewish people.
The Jews undermined Christianity!? You would not have Christianity if not for the Jews! ALL of the original Christians were Jews.
European Jews lived in ghettoes where they had little or no contact with their Christian neighbors. It was not the Jews who sought to convert Christians, it was ALWAYS the other way around.
THE EUROPEANS WHO UNDERMINED CHRISTIANITY WERE NOT THE JEWS, IN FACT, THE EUROPEANS WHO CONVINCED MOST CHRISTIANS TO ABANDON THEIR FAITH WERE THE ANTI-SEMITES LIKE VOLTAIRE, WAGNER AND THE NAZIS. THE UNIVERSITIES WITH "HIGHER CRITICISM" OF THE BIBLE WERE GENTILE INSTITUTIONS THAT GENERALLY DID NOT ADMIT JEWISH STUDENTS.
The Nazis were fanatically anti-Christian, and wanted to restore ancient German paganism. One of the main reasons for European anti-Semitism was that anti-Christian Europeans hated Christianity and blamed the Jews for the religion.
The Jew-hating Nazis, Communists, anarchists and other haters of morality succeeded in persuading the vast majority of Europeans to abandon religion, the Bible and all morals which were condemned as "Jewish weaknesses". The new amoral Europeans - the Nazis, the fascists, the Communists - were all ferociously anti-Semitic, and they were the ones who destroyed Europe, which is now an immoral cesspool.
Before that happened, Europe became the world's dominant continent because of the Jews. The Jews civilized Europe.
When most European Jews were murdered, the largest number of Jews left in the world lived in America, and then America became the world's dominant nation.
One final point to the Jewish writers here who keep saying that the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust is subject to dispute and is not important. You couldn't be more wrong on all counts.
AT LEAST 6 MILLION JEWS WERE MURDERED IN THE HOLOCAUST, AND THE NUMBER IS PROBABLY HIGHER BECAUSE MANY JEWS WHO WERE MURDERED IN SOVIET TERRITORIES WERE NEVER COUNTED. THE NUMBER IS PROBABLY BETWEEN 6.5 MILLION AND 7 MILLION. BUT THE WIMPY JEWS ALWAYS HAVE TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO SHOW HOW "OBJECTIVE" AND "FAIR" THEY ARE AND SO JEWISH "SCHOLARS" USE THE MINIMAL NUMBER OF 6 MILLION.
ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THE NUMBER IS LOWER THAN 6 MILLION IS A HOLOCAUST-DENYING NAZI. PERIOD. AND I WILL BAN ANYONE WHO MAKES SUCH A NAZI STATEMENT IMMEDIATELY.
WE IN JTF DO NOT DEBATE NAZIS. WE SMASH THEIR FACES IN. NAZIS HAVE NO RIGHTS. NO RIGHT TO SPEAK AND NO RIGHT TO LIVE. THIS IS A KAHANIST TORAH ORGANIZATION, WHICH MEANS WE ARE AT WAR WITH AMALEK.
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Yes you are right.
It is a huge, huge sin to make light of any of these numbers.
Especially for me.
I feel sick talking about the topic and don't think I'll comment on it for a while
lest I become like those self-hating kikes who bargain with the memories of fellow Jews
for politics or other purposes.
I'll just say this:
May every last drop of blood be avenged.
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How do we create a right-wing interpretation of the holocaust which does not demonize all forms of ethnocentrism and nationalism?
This is what the left have done with it.
Holocaust denial is generally (probably always) politically motivated, and nearly always against Israel.
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Chaimfan ponders: "...I do not know why your obvious facts aren't more commonly known..."
Actually, Chaimfan, you do know all too well why such is the case!
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JSullivan,
Dude, can I just say you rock? Your post was brilliant and dead on correct.
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MackaB, vengence doesn't fix anything.
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Some people, with a Christian perspective, might say that the majority of Jews in pre-World War 2 Europe worked tirelessly to undermine Christianity with every opportunity they had. As a result, de-Christianized Europe was ripe to accept the barbarity of Nazism.
Din, I have to second Jimmy. This is silly. European Jews weren't doing anything but existing. And European "Christians" hadn't been anything of the sort for well over a millenium, if ever.
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MackaB, vengence doesn't fix anything.
Sounds like a liberal cliche. It fixes a lot of things and provides huge deterrance. They literally piss on Jewish graves. I'm disgusted that the memory of so many people is treated with such utter disdain.
Sometimes vengeance is justice.
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I'm not saying that there is something wrong with justice, but I do believe that there is something wrong with vengence.
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Hey Din, do you perhaps mean left wing Jews??? Should you be more specific in which Jews exactly are undermining Christianity??
Yes, and 90% of Jews vote liberal and socialist.
By voting socialism into America...they are undermining our Christian identity. They have helped to replace Christian America's dependence on G-d with a dependance on the state.
The idea of limited government is uniquely American. It is also uniquely Christian. When government becomes too big it destroys both America AND Christianity.
The vast majority of Jews residing in the US RELENTLESSLY attack the American notion of limited government. This is also a stealth attack against Christianity.
I don't believe that most Jews are intentionally attacking Christianity. Because in the end, they suffer too. But, their Jewish world perspective prevents them from ever fully understanding what a Christian America is supposed to be. Therefore, they don't understand how to preserve it. Their presence in the US is no longer necessary now that Israel exists...in fact, now their presence is becoming a burden.
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Re: "...Some people, with a Christian perspective, might say that the majority of Jews in pre-World War 2 Europe worked tirelessly to undermine Christianity with every opportunity they had..."
Some people, of whatever perspective, might say any damn thing imaginable.
Here are some other brilliant perspectives; they are obviously true, because some people said so...
"There is absolutely nothing about the Catholic Church that is Christian."
"Martin Luther was a heretic inspired by Satan, who has caused every human being outside the Church Of Rome to burn forever in a fiery Hell".
"The Jesuits were invented by THE JEWS!"...."as a secret branch of JEW-BOLSHEVIK-FREEMANSONRY!"
"The Civil War was fought to free the negro slaves"..."The South lost, because they were against G-d and Justice!"
"Senator Joseph McCarthy, was a drunken homosexual on morphine who ruined as many lives as he could, simply to promote his political life."
"Senator Joseph McCarthy, was a Saint who rooted out Communist infiltrators from the American government and media!"
"George Wallace is a name which means racist!"
"The Southern Poverty Law Center, works to keep America free of intolerance!...without them, we might not be free today!"
"Anyone who criticizes homosexuality is a homophobe!...and the government has a right to prosecute and punish them!"
"It's a fact, that THE JEWS own and control all the banks, and all of the media!"
"All Jews are Communists!"
"Jews are all rich...everybody knows they own all the banks....look at Alan Greenspan!...he proves that it's true!"
"Roosevelt was a Jew, whose real name was Rosenfeld."
And, last but not least, my favorite quote from Dr. Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda:
"JESUS COULDN'T have been A JEW!"..."AND I DON'T NEED ANY FACTS TO KNOW THAT!"
Massuh D...you're a brilliant guy
But, you just gave me a laundry list of moral equivocations.
Ya didn't address my direct point that Diaspora Jews living in the Christian Gentile Nations are undermining the Christianity of their hosts simply by their presence.
I don't want Jews to lose their Jewish perspective. I WANT THEM TO KEEP IT. The conflict only arises when their Jewish perspective collides with Christian perspective. This situation is gonna happen a lot in Christian Nations. The only way to truly resolve this problem is for Jews to leave the Gentiles Nations and return to Israel.
I'm not the only one saying that Jews must return to Israel....Hashem is also saying it....The bible is also saying it....Chaim says it every week.
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Yes, and 90% of Jews vote liberal and socialist.
You seem to have confused Western European "Christians" with Jews.
By voting socialism into America...they are undermining our Christian identity. They have helped to replace Christian America's dependence on G-d with a dependance on the state.
Source please?
The idea of limited government is uniquely American. It is also uniquely Christian. When government becomes too big it destroys both America AND Christianity.
I think you could argue it's uniquely Western. Beyond that, there are plenty of Christians, whether or not in name only, who have supported various stripes of authoritarian and totalitarian regimes and concepts.
The vast majority of Jews residing in the US RELENTLESSLY attack the American notion of limited government. This is also a stealth attack against Christianity. Their Jewish world perspective prevents them from ever fully understanding what a Christian America is supposed to be. Therefore, they don't understand how to preserve it. Their presence in the US is no longer necessary now that Israel exists...in fact, now their presence is becoming a burden.
Take your sh*t to StørmFrønt, Adolf.
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Din Rodef, I'm getting tired of seeing your ignorant anti-Semitic comments about how a majority of European Jews tried to undermine Christianity and so on.
The majority of European Jews were NOT leftists. The majority of European Jews lived in countries like Poland and Hungary and were either religious or at least traditionalist. The Jewish leftists were the elitist, assimilated, intermarried Jews who were a distinct MINORITY of the Jewish people.
The Jews undermined Christianity!? You would not have Christianity if not for the Jews! ALL of the original Christians were Jews.
European Jews lived in ghettoes where they had little or no contact with their Christian neighbors. It was not the Jews who sought to convert Christians, it was ALWAYS the other way around.
THE EUROPEANS WHO UNDERMINED CHRISTIANITY WERE NOT THE JEWS, IN FACT, THE EUROPEANS WHO CONVINCED MOST CHRISTIANS TO ABANDON THEIR FAITH WERE THE ANTI-SEMITES LIKE VOLTAIRE, WAGNER AND THE NAZIS. THE UNIVERSITIES WITH "HIGHER CRITICISM" OF THE BIBLE WERE GENTILE INSTITUTIONS THAT GENERALLY DID NOT ADMIT JEWISH STUDENTS.
The Nazis were fanatically anti-Christian, and wanted to restore ancient German paganism. One of the main reasons for European anti-Semitism was that anti-Christian Europeans hated Christianity and blamed the Jews for the religion.
The Jew-hating Nazis, Communists, anarchists and other haters of morality succeeded in persuading the vast majority of Europeans to abandon religion, the Bible and all morals which were condemned as "Jewish weaknesses". The new amoral Europeans - the Nazis, the fascists, the Communists - were all ferociously anti-Semitic, and they were the ones who destroyed Europe, which is now an immoral cesspool.
Before that happened, Europe became the world's dominant continent because of the Jews. The Jews civilized Europe.
When most European Jews were murdered, the largest number of Jews left in the world lived in America, and then America became the world's dominant nation.
One final point to the Jewish writers here who keep saying that the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust is subject to dispute and is not important. You couldn't be more wrong on all counts.
AT LEAST 6 MILLION JEWS WERE MURDERED IN THE HOLOCAUST, AND THE NUMBER IS PROBABLY HIGHER BECAUSE MANY JEWS WHO WERE MURDERED IN SOVIET TERRITORIES WERE NEVER COUNTED. THE NUMBER IS PROBABLY BETWEEN 6.5 MILLION AND 7 MILLION. BUT THE WIMPY JEWS ALWAYS HAVE TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO SHOW HOW "OBJECTIVE" AND "FAIR" THEY ARE AND SO JEWISH "SCHOLARS" USE THE MINIMAL NUMBER OF 6 MILLION.
ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THE NUMBER IS LOWER THAN 6 MILLION IS A HOLOCAUST-DENYING NAZI. PERIOD. AND I WILL BAN ANYONE WHO MAKES SUCH A NAZI STATEMENT IMMEDIATELY.
WE IN JTF DO NOT DEBATE NAZIS. WE SMASH THEIR FACES IN. NAZIS HAVE NO RIGHTS. NO RIGHT TO SPEAK AND NO RIGHT TO LIVE. THIS IS A KAHANIST TORAH ORGANIZATION, WHICH MEANS WE ARE AT WAR WITH AMALEK.
pfff...it just happened again...so predictable...so predictable
I'M SICK OF JEWS CALLING ME AN ANTI-SEMITE EVERY TIME I HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH THEM
Your malicious post is a perfect example of why Jews can't continue to live in Gentile Nations. The majority of Jews don't seem to even make an attempt to understand a perspective that is different than their own. You just called me a Nazi for disagreeing with you. Both of my grandfathers were shot fighting the Nazis. Do you have any idea how this makes me feel? Do you even care?
In my opinion, Jews can think whatever they want as long as they are living in Israel. But, if they are going to preach their Jewish perspective to ME while living in MY CHRISTIAN NATION...then I have every right to disagree and preach to them MY White Christian American perspective.
I support the Jews and their right to the Nation of Israel 1000%. I don't think this way because I have a love affair with Jews. I think this way because the Bible commands me to. However, I DO NOT SUPPORT THE JEWISH PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES (and neither does the bible BTW). There is no reason for the Diaspora to continue. Israel has been a nation for 60 years and it is time for the Jews to return home.
These words may sound harsh because many Jews have never heard a Gentile say them before. Well, it's time for some tough love. I'm not a Nazi...far from it...I'm just repeating exactly what the bible commands.
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Yes, and 90% of Jews vote liberal and socialist.
You seem to have confused Western European "Christians" with Jews.
By voting socialism into America...they are undermining our Christian identity. They have helped to replace Christian America's dependence on G-d with a dependance on the state.
Source please?
The idea of limited government is uniquely American. It is also uniquely Christian. When government becomes too big it destroys both America AND Christianity.
I think you could argue it's uniquely Western. Beyond that, there are plenty of Christians, whether or not in name only, who have supported various stripes of authoritarian and totalitarian regimes and concepts.
The vast majority of Jews residing in the US RELENTLESSLY attack the American notion of limited government. This is also a stealth attack against Christianity. Their Jewish world perspective prevents them from ever fully understanding what a Christian America is supposed to be. Therefore, they don't understand how to preserve it. Their presence in the US is no longer necessary now that Israel exists...in fact, now their presence is becoming a burden.
Take your sh*t to StørmFrønt, Adolf.
Chaimfan
You and I get along great in the forums...this is our first disagreement and you call me Adolf?
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What is your opinion on that? I don't agree but I think it's always fair to criticize Anglos.
The thread starter's opinion is very healthy from a Jewish perspective...especially if that Jew happens to live in Israel.
But, if that Jew happens to live in a Gentile nation...then the Gentiles certainly have the right to criticize the opinion of that Jew.
Unfortunately, most Gentile criticism of Jewish accepted Holocaust teaching/interpretation within Gentile Nations is met with, "YOU'RE A NAZI!"
This knee-jerk reaction by Jews to Gentile criticism is a very serious driving force behind recruitment for groups like StørmFrønt. Most White kids have been called racist Nazis so much...that they start to think..."Why don't I become a racist Nazi since I'm going to be accused of being one anyway?"
This is only a conflict because Jews are still living amongst the Gentile Nations.
Have they been called Nazi's so much? I maybe accused 2 or 3 people out of thousands of people I have met and they had to really [censored] me off. I don't think most white kids have been called racist Nazis...unless they shave their head and discuss racialism all the time, talk bad and act bad.
I think it is fair to look at the Holocaust from a logical perpective. It is not 'blasphemy' to question the holocaust and the Jewish account of what happened. It's perfectly fine to ask questions and want proof and to see resources. The problem is, that the sites and sources mentioned (like the one mentioned by TruthTyper in another thread) are pure garbage. See http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/
Even a 5th grader can see the huge gaps in logic that their arguments make. So most Holocaust deniers come up with proofs and reports which are completely fallible, even by the lowest of the low academic standards. There are huge gaps in the logic, and kids do look at these sites and say see, here is proof, I knew those Jews were lying. Then it just becomes twisted. And then we start to get into relativism arguments like comparing it to any other event like the Indians or whatever.
I think the evidence is pretty damning. They set up train tracks to crematoriums. Even the deniers usually admit this in their models. That shows the intent right there. If that alone isn't foul beyond comprehension, we also have hundreds, maybe thousands of eye-witness accounts of what went down there as well as pictures of stacks of dead bodies.
If you want to look further, you could probably look at government census data for Jewish populations then and now.
It comes down to what Chaim talked about on the show this week about looking at it as a judge and not a lawyer.
From a judge looking at this you can't draw to many other conclusions. The evidence is damning.
Then you have the deniers who get a book from the library and circle one or two questionable passages from a book about the Holocaust and say, see it's all a Jewish propoganda lie.
To me it's not about making kids feel guilty, it's about seeing the truth. Calling a duck a duck instead of a monkey. It's a sin to aquit the guilty so easily...Let alone allow them to go on to try similar deeds or to influence children.
If someone was on trial for shoving 5 of your relatives into a woodchipper, and all the evidence points to show that he did it (machines on their property, remains of bodies etc...) would you get pretty pissed when someone says,
"Well, some Indians got shot once' so it's all relative and uh, they would have needed an extension chord to make the machine work, and there wasn't a hardware store within 30 miles!"
I also think it is sorta ironic how guys like 'Ernst Zundel' worked to free Germany from the 'blood libel' of the Holocaust. When it was actually their 'blood libel' against Jews which was used to rationalize the Holocaust.
I don't believe in calling anyone who questions the Holocaust a Nazi, but I don't believe that a Nazi should be aquitted with sham arguments. Someone who readily believes weak arguments against the Holocaust (with so much evidence that all did occur as accounted) probably is either mentally retarded, a Nazi or has Nazi leanings, or has future Nazi desires.
Nazis are a dirty bunch of treachorous faggots, may every last one of them be obliterated forever.
good post mackab I agree with everything you said
White guys are always called Nazis. Maybe you'd have to be a white guy to know it. We're getting pretty f'in sick of it. Really sick of it.
Western Civilization had never apologized for being White until after World War 2. Since then, anytime a white guy attempts to defend his own race and culture he is branded a Nazi. It is not a coincidence that the entire West has been invaded by 3rd world non-whites only since the end of World War 2....This is because whites won't defend themselves...They have been brainwashed to believe that they are Nazis for defending their own race and civilization.
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JSullivan,
Dude, can I just say you rock? Your post was brilliant and dead on correct.
it was a vile post Dawntreader
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"...I'm just repeating exactly what the bible commands...."
Din Rodef,
So far, you've demonstrated to me that the total amount of knowledge you possess regarding not only the Bible, but every other intellectual or spiritual endeavor, wouldn't even fill a thimble.
And, yes....you indeed are a reprobate Jew-Hater. It seethes inside of you at every opportunity. Do yourself a big favor and just go ahead and join up with David Duke and Don Black, don the brownshirts & swastika, donate & march; because your spiritual condition is that of a true hater. The day the last Jew leaves the U.S. will be the saddest day of your life, because you then will be forced to find a new "imaginary devil" to blame for your crappy life, but undoubtedly that day will find you shift your position from "Jews Raus!"...to "Death to Israel and The Jews!!!" Your hatred for us is truly a psychopathic obsession without any basis in reality; and your "so called" support for Israel is only so that you can demand we leave your presence and enable your "white race" to restore some non-existant "Pure White World", which never ever existed, and never ever will exist...except, of course in StørmFrønt comicbooks and propaganda designed for those whose hate is only matched by their incapacity to reason and think.
You lack the ability to change out thinking. You lack the ability to make us accept Christ as personal Lord and Saviour. You know nothing about Jews other than what you've learned from propaganda. You even lack the ability to insult us; because we've heard it all long before you arrived as the Størm Frønt Troll.
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MasshuhD
Now you are calling me a Jew Hater
Would the presence of Christian White Gentiles within the Israeli Knesset help the Jewish Identity of the Nation of Israel...or undermine it?
Would the presence of Christian White Gentiles within Israeli media help the Jewish Identity of the Nation of Israel...or undermine it?
Would the presence of 10s of thousands of Christian White Gentile voters and their Christian lobbyists hold sway over Israeli elections if they were allowed to vote within Israel?
I support Israel 1000% and it's right to be a Jewish state. In my opinion, Christian White Gentiles have no right to be in Israel and their presence would undermine the uniquely Jewish character of the nation. Now MassuhD..."put the shoe on the other foot"
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You even lack the ability to insult us; because we've heard it all long before you arrived as the Størm Frønt Troll.
I don't insult you...because I actually support JTF.
It is impossible for Jews to claim they have the right to maintain a Jewish Israel...while simultaneously claiming that White Americans don't have the right to maintain a White Christian America.
This is impossible to two reasons.
1) It is hypocritical
2) It goes against the Bible. There is no Biblical justification for Jewish presence in Gentile lands now that the Nation of Israel has been created. THE DIASPORA IS OVER.
I find it interesting that the people I'm arguing with in this thread are (from my knowledge) not residing in Israel. They are mostly still residing in Gentile Nations. I think this is the heart of the opposition to my previous posts.
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Re: "...Maybe you'd have to be a white guy to know it. We're getting pretty f'in sick of it. Really sick of it..."
Maybe.
But then again, just because you say you're white with a computer keyboard in cyberspace, that don't mean that you really are white; if you catch my drift, that is....
And besides, white people don't go around referring to themselves in the 3rd person plural as "We"..., "We're"...
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Størm Frønt Troll.
That's funny
StørmFrønt banned me for being a Jewish Troll when I tried to promote JTF to the white kids. I was doing a pretty good job of driving the Nazis crazy. You would have been proud.
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I'M SICK OF JEWS CALLING ME AN ANTI-SEMITE EVERY TIME I HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH THEM
Your malicious post is a perfect example of why Jews can't continue to live in Gentile Nations. The majority of Jews don't seem to even make an attempt to understand a perspective that is different than their own. You just called me a Nazi for disagreeing with you.
You are a f'ing moron, Adolf. Pay some damn attention to us when we post. Jimmy is not Jewish at all but an Irish Noahide. I am, just as you claim to be, a Gentile Christian. Shove it up your arse either way.
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Re: "...Maybe you'd have to be a white guy to know it. We're getting pretty f'in sick of it. Really sick of it..."
Maybe.
But then again, just because you say you're white with a computer keyboard in cyberspace, that don't mean that you really are white; if you catch my drift, that is....
And besides, white people don't go around referring to themselves in the 3rd person plural as "We"..., "We're"...
uh huh!
OH YEAH!!
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now you're deviating again massuhD...just like you did with the "laundry list" ;D
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PS: Din, you might also be pleased to know that I'm nonwhite. ;) :P (Albeit if you'd bothered to read a minimal quantity of my posts, you'd already know that, dipspit.)
Go have fun playing with your Aryan friends, stormtrooper.
Chaimfan
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I'M SICK OF JEWS CALLING ME AN ANTI-SEMITE EVERY TIME I HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH THEM
Your malicious post is a perfect example of why Jews can't continue to live in Gentile Nations. The majority of Jews don't seem to even make an attempt to understand a perspective that is different than their own. You just called me a Nazi for disagreeing with you.
You are a f'ing moron, Adolf. Pay some damn attention to us when we post. Jimmy is not Jewish at all but an Irish Noahide. I am, just as you claim to be, a Gentile Christian. Shove it up your arse either way.
I don't like being called a Nazi...I don't give a rat's arse if it's a Jew doing it or an Irishmen.
But it really doesn't matter who JSULLILVAN is anyway. His post was vile and it misses the truth.
Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?
Anyhow Chaimfan...I've enjoyed posting with you up until now. Our little disagreement hasn't made me like you any less. I think you are just confused. I hope things work out well for you in the future.
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PS: Din, you might also be pleased to know that I'm nonwhite. ;) :P (Albeit if you'd bothered to read a minimal quantity of my posts, you'd already know that, dipspit.)
Go have fun playing with your Aryan friends, stormtrooper.
Chaimfan
I don't care if you're green
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Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?
Anyhow Chaimfan...I've enjoyed posting with you up until now. Our little disagreement hasn't made me like you any less. I think you are just confused. I hope things work out well for you in the future.
Go join NAMBLA (if you aren't already a member, which I doubt) and find a cute blond Swedish boy to rape (which you are probably already doing as you type). You don't believe in Hashem and never have believed in the Lord of the Bible for one minute. Your deities are Odin and Thor, faggot.
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Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?
Anyhow Chaimfan...I've enjoyed posting with you up until now. Our little disagreement hasn't made me like you any less. I think you are just confused. I hope things work out well for you in the future.
Go join NAMBLA (if you aren't already a member, which I doubt) and find a cute blond Swedish boy to rape (which you are probably already doing as you type). You don't believe in Hashem and never have believed in the Lord of the Bible for one minute. Your deities are Odin and Thor, faggot.
wow...now you're really trying hard to make me not like you
One disagreement and you are turning into frothing at the mouth psycho?
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"Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?
Why don't you elaborate on this instead of falsely attributing such controversial quotes to Chaim? This is half-truth garbage.
You're right, I'm a Jew living in the Diaspora and I'm going to be here for a while. True, I don't 'belong' here, but you're going to have to get used to it.
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"Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?
Why don't you elaborate on this instead of falsely attributing such controversial quotes to Chaim?
Why don't you ask Chaim yourself?
Do it on the "Ask JTF" segment....
Ask him this..."Chaim, do you think Hashem will send another Holocaust against the Jews if they don't leave the Gentile Nations and return to Israel?"
I already know his answer...but maybe you need to hear it from him
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"Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?
Why don't you elaborate on this instead of falsely attributing such controversial quotes to Chaim?
Why don't you ask Chaim yourself?
Do it on the "Ask JTF" segment....
Ask him this..."Chaim, do you think Hashem will send another Holocaust against the Jews if they don't leave the Gentile Nations and return to Israel?"
Since you believe this and presumably that G-d sent the original Holocaust, I'd love to hear your rationale for it. Chaim has his own opinions; I don't agree with everything he says. But since you supposedly share the same belief, I'd like to hear you defend it.
The Holocaust did not happen because Jews lived in the Galut (exile). While, it is true that it would have been avoided if Jews lived in the Land of Israel, you seem to be steadfast in deliberately confusing correlation with causality.
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Since you believe this and presumably that G-d sent the original Holocaust, I'd love to hear your rationale for it.
Hashem allowed it to happen otherwise it never would have occured. Hashem never does anything without a reason.
The whole point of this thread is that Christian perspective will be different than Jewish perspective. OF course, I already know that most Jews would reject my Christian reasons for believing that Hashem allowed the Holocaust. It is not my intention to change Jewish thinking about their own identity and history. I want Jews to maintain their uniquely Jewish perspective. My point is...I WANT THAT JEWISH PERSPECTIVE TO BE MADE FROM ISRAEL...not the Gentile nations.
Chaim has his own opinions; I don't agree with everything he says. But since you supposedly share the same belief, I'd like to hear you defend it.
Chaim is closer to Hashem than any of us are.
The Holocaust did not happen because Jews lived in the Galut (exile). While, it is true that it would have been avoided if Jews lived in the Land of Israel, you seem to be steadfast in deliberately confusing correlation with causality.
You just answered your own question. It could have been avoided if the Jews lived in the Land of Israel. Hashem sent many signs and gave European Jewry many years of warning. Unfortunately, most did not listen.
Sadly, I fear the same thing is happening today.
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You're right, I'm a Jew living in the Diaspora and I'm going to be here for a while. True, I don't 'belong' here, but you're going to have to get used to it.
You don't belong in the Gentile Nations...
and you are the one that is going to have to "get used to it"
Reflect on the tone of your post...and then ask yourself..."Why would a Gentile want to share his nation with such a hostile guest?"
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BTW - If I were to get banned for my beliefs.
Then that would only be proving my point that Jews in Diaspora view all opposition as Nazi.
Unfortunately, If Jews are to live in Gentile Lands then they must also consider Gentile opinions. If those opinions are repulsive to them...then they should MOVE TO ISRAEL.
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Din,
Some things to consider....
If one is born in the USA, then that person is a citizen...it does not matter if one is white, black or asian or hispanic....or Jewish. If one is born here then they are not a "guest."
This is particularly true, since as you know, Jews funded the American Revolution against Great Britain.
As to your assertions that the USA was a "White Christian Nation" to begin with...it is true that a majority of the founding fathers were christians. And they were white. But there WERE those who were Deists and even atheists.
Something else to consider...all the original Christians WERE Jews.
The only reason it quit being a Jewish sect and became something else is because certain Gentiles, when accepting that Jesus was the Messiah, decided that it was ok to NOT be Jewish (Also due to the Apostle Paul), and to go ahead and incorporate their own pagan practices into their new faith. (To be fair, the Apostle Paul did not advocate any pagan practices.)
The Roman Catholic Church changed the Jewish sect of Nazarines into an unrecognizable new religion.
The point is, you wouldn't have Christianity without the Jews. You wouldn't have Jesus without the Jews. You wouldn't have America as it is known today without the Jews.
And if you claim to be a Christian...then race has no bearing whatsoever. In fact according to the Apostle Paul, if one is a believer in Jesus...there is supposed to be no longer Jew nor Greek. Correct? They are all supposed to be one in the faith.
That seems to me that if there is no longer Jew nor Greek, then there is also neither black nor White. Or any other color you might happen to focus upon.
I would also tend to think that the posts by yourself AND Chaimfan do not show much of the "love of Christ" that many Christians believe they should have. You both are cussing each other out and stuff. Doesn't seem right to me.
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BTW - If I were to get banned for my beliefs.
Then that would only be proving my point that Jews in Diaspora view all opposition as Nazi.
Quit grasping at straws. I already demonstrated that at least half of the people tearing your Nazi ass to shreds on this forum are GENTILES. Everyone hates your sick faggot ass.
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I would also tend to think that the posts by yourself AND Chaimfan do not show much of the "love of Christ" that many Christians believe they should have. You both are cussing each other out and stuff. Doesn't seem right to me.
I will concede that you have a point, and that indeed I am the worst of all hypocrites. However, it is difficult to compose myself in the face of Nazis trolling a Jewish forum.
PS: Your historical facts are all correct. Paul always was a devout member of the Pharisaical sect and never once renounced this or his Judaism in the least.
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Din,
Some things to consider....
If one is born in the USA, then that person is a citizen...it does not matter if one is white, black or asian or hispanic....or Jewish. If one is born here then they are not a "guest."
According to the Bible...the Jews living in America are here as part of the Diaspora. The Diaspora is punishment. It doesn't matter if they are citizens or not. It doesn't matter if they are "guests" or not
This is particularly true, since as you know, Jews funded the American Revolution against Great Britain.
The French claim that they funded the Revolution too. So are all French really Americans now?
As to your assertions that the USA was a "White Christian Nation" to begin with...it is true that a majority of the founding fathers were christians. And they were white. But there WERE those who were Deists and even atheists.
All of the founders of America agreed that this was a Christian Nation and that it would have to remain Christian in order to survive as the founders intended. All of the founders were White. If some of them happened to be Deists or Athiests that didn't change the fact that the National Origin of the country is predominantly White European Christian.
BTW - You are undermining the nation with this argument. Which goes back to my original point...Jewish perspective undermines the identity of our nation.
Something else to consider...all the original Christians WERE Jews.
and absolutely none of them were alive to see the Constitution get signed.
The only reason it quit being a Jewish sect and became something else is because certain Gentiles, when accepting that Jesus was the Messiah, decided that it was ok to NOT be Jewish (Also due to the Apostle Paul), and to go ahead and incorporate their own pagan practices into their new faith. (To be fair, the Apostle Paul did not advocate any pagan practices.)
Again, this is your Jewish Perspective and it also undermines our Christian Identity.
The Roman Catholic Church changed the Jewish sect of Nazarines into an unrecognizable new religion.
Now you are bringing the Catholic Church into a discussion about America...This nation was founded by Protestants that disagreed with the Catholic Church vehemently. Catholicism also undermines the unique identity of this nation...
The point is, you wouldn't have Christianity without the Jews. You wouldn't have Jesus without the Jews. You wouldn't have America as it is known today without the Jews.
Totally agree
And if you claim to be a Christian...then race has no bearing whatsoever. In fact according to the Apostle Paul, if one is a believer in Jesus...there is supposed to be no longer Jew nor Greek. Correct? They are all supposed to be one in the faith.
That seems to me that if there is no longer Jew nor Greek, then there is also neither black nor White. Or any other color you might happen to focus upon.
Race has nothing to do with accepting Hashem or Christianity...BUT RACE DOES HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT CONSITUTES A NATION...otherwise...anybody could live in Israel...it wouldn't just be for the Jews....Christian White Gentiles could start moving there by the thousands and nothing would be different according to your logic.
I would also tend to think that the posts by yourself AND Chaimfan do not show much of the "love of Christ" that many Christians believe they should have. You both are cussing each other out and stuff. Doesn't seem right to me.
Again, you use your Jewish perspective to tell me what the "love of Christ" is when you don't even believe in Christ.
Why should I listen to you? Don't you see...that we have vastly different world views? The only thing we agree on is that Israel is for the Jews. Israel is given to the Jews by Hashem.
If you were living in the promised then we could have a disagreement and still be allies because we BOTH support Israel. But since you are still living in Diaspora, your contrary opinions and beliefs are a threat to me and my nation.
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BTW - If I were to get banned for my beliefs.
Then that would only be proving my point that Jews in Diaspora view all opposition as Nazi.
Quit grasping at straws. I already demonstrated that at least half of the people tearing your Nazi ass to shreds on this forum are GENTILES. Everyone hates your sick faggot ass.
Are you capable of making a post that doesn't invoke images of homosexuality? Why are you so obsessed with Nazi queers?
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Why are you so obsessed with Nazi queers?
Because your queer Nazi ass won't leave us alone. Of course you're gonna defend faggots--after all, you are one and so are all your idols like Rohm, Streicher, and the fuhrer himself. What the f*** did you expect you'd get posting Nazi propaganda on a Jewish forum?
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At the beginning of this thread...I stated that Jewish presence within Christian Gentile Nations undermines the identity of the Christian Gentile Nations.
I am talking about Jewish presence since the Holocaust.
My original statement was NOT true prior to the creation of Israel. Before 1948, Jewish presence within Christian nations helped solidify the Biblical roots of the nations. Jewish presence proved the Bible correct when it predicted that the Jews would remain a unique people even though they were scattered in the Diaspora.
But since the creation of Israel, Jewish presence within the Christian Gentile Nations has the opposite effect of what it had prior to 1948.
Now, the Jews remaining in Diaspora undermine the Bible by continuing to live outside the Land of Israel. The Bible commands them to return home. If they disobey and defy the Bible, then they undermine the Bible. When Jews undermine the Bible, they also undermine Christianity.
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Din,
Men have free will. G-d didn't 'send' a Holocaust then and he sure as hell won't 'send' one in the future. Did G-d 'send' the 9/11 hijackers? If you subscribe to such absurd beliefs, you may as well be an Arab Muslim Nazi.
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You're right, I'm a Jew living in the Diaspora and I'm going to be here for a while. True, I don't 'belong' here, but you're going to have to get used to it.
You don't belong in the Gentile Nations...
and you are the one that is going to have to "get used to it"
Reflect on the tone of your post...and then ask yourself..."Why would a Gentile want to share his nation with such a hostile guest?"
America seems to be fine with Jews. In fact, it has treated Jews better than any nation in the history of earth. Maybe it is YOU who doesn't want to share the nation, making you, again, no different than a Nazi.
Why don't you want to share? Because you don't believe in America. You believe in racial separation, as expressed by many of your posts.
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America seems to be fine with Jews. In fact, it has treated Jews better than any nation in the history of earth. Maybe it is YOU who doesn't want to share the nation, making you, again, no different than a Nazi.
America was a safe place for Jews to live until now...that is absolutely correct. But time is running out...the Jewish state has now existed for 60 years. Jews have had many decades to prepare and return to Israel.
BTW - There you go calling me a Nazi again...you are playing the same broken record. Is this really the best argument that a JTF Jew can come up with against me? IF YOU HAVE HASHEM ON YOUR SIDE...certainly you can do better than just calling me names....with Hashem on your side... you would have Biblical truth to defend yourself with.
But, the reason that you resort to calling me names is because Hashem is NOT on your side when it comes to the Jewish presence in America. Hashem commands Jews to return to Israel.
Call me all the names you want...it has absolutely no effect on what Hashem desires for the Jewish People.
Why don't you want to share? Because you don't believe in America. You believe in racial separation, as expressed by many of your posts.
Why don't you want to share Israel? You don't believe in racial separation? Why not just live in peace with the Arab Muslims? Why not just let the Chinese and White Gentiles emigrate to Israel if they want to?
Do you understand that I am making a point? The point is....ISRAEL IS FOR THE JEWS...AMERICA IS FOR THE WHITE CHRISTIAN GENTILES.
Show me one place in the Bible that would support Jews living in the United States now that the State of Israel has been recreated by Hashem.... you can't...because no such thing exists.
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Din,
Men have free will. G-d didn't 'send' a Holocaust then and he sure as hell won't 'send' one in the future. Did G-d 'send' the 9/11 hijackers? If you subscribe to such absurd beliefs, you may as well be an Arab Muslim Nazi.
Beitar, I often think about this: G-d did not send a Holocaust or 9/11 hijackers but G-d did not prevent Holocaust or 9/11 either.
Will G-d remove His hand of protection in a greater level from Jews and Christians in the future because of our disobedience? I am really scared even to think about that.
Let us not attack each other. Holocaust is a wake up call for all Jews and for other righteous people as well. 9/11 is a wake up call for all civilized people. Let us not press the snooze button!
Din has not done anything to be banned from this forum. However Din should re-phrase his comments like this:
1. Jews should return to the land of their forefathers but gentiles should NOT force them to leave gentile countries.
2. Jews in ACLU, Hollywood and other liberal organizations not only undermine Christianity but also Orthodox Judaism. The situation will NOT improve even if all Jews leave America. We have millions of liberal Christians who could do the same damage. As we all know liberal Jews are destroying Israel and undermining the real Judaism.
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Re: "...BTW - If I were to get banned for my beliefs"..."Then that would only be proving my point that Jews in Diaspora view all opposition as Nazi...".
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-If you were to be banned for your posts and threads on the JTF Forum, it would only prove that you knowingly and willingly violated the terms of the forum to which you agreed when you first signed up to be a member.
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"Unfortunately, If Jews are to live in Gentile Lands then they must also consider Gentile opinions. If those opinions are repulsive to them...then they should MOVE TO ISRAEL..."
-If your opinions are repulsive to Jews, it is not because your opinions are "gentile".
-Your opinions are repulsive to Jews because they are repulsive, and just so happen to be your personal opinions.
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-Your opinions are repulsive to Jews because they are repulsive, and just so happen to be your personal opinions.
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Good job! ;)
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"Why don't you want to share Israel? You don't believe in racial separation? Why not just live in peace with the Arab Muslims? Why not just let the Chinese and White Gentiles emigrate to Israel if they want to?"
Guess what, Din? I would be in favor of sharing Israel if the Arab Muslims didn't behave like Nazis. If you knew one thing about JTF, or simply watched the news, you'd know that peace with the Arabs, although desired, is not possible. My basis for wishing they would not leave is not predicated on the fact that they have 22 countries.
On the other hand, you don't want to share America not because Jews finally have one state (as you claim), but because you hate Jews, allegedly for making life worse for Christians.
Last time I checked, Clarence Darrow wasn't a yid, Earl Warren wasn't a Heeb, and Barry Goldwater didn't lose in 1964 because of the Jews.
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Re: "...Beitar, I often think about this: G-d did not send a Holocaust or 9/11 hijackers but G-d did not prevent Holocaust or 9/11 either..."
Now I'm very confused.
Whenever a tornado touches down in a trailer park or other community, those who survived always attend a community church service at which they praise G-d for sparing their lives.
Now...does that not also imply their belief that G-d therefore killed, or allowed the killing, of those others who perished in the storm, but at the same time, directly intervened in saving the lives of the survivors?
The logical conclusion to be drawn, therefore, is that G-d killed some, and spared others!
But wait!...
Perhaps they're wrong on all counts!...
and..it was actually SATAN who sent the tornado, and not G-d!
So...that would mean that G-d had nothing whatsoever to do with the tornado, right?...
But..Why would Satan kill only some of the community and not all of them?...After all, he's SATAN!
and...if Satan actually sent a tornado and left some survivors who praised G-d for saving their lives, would that not both acknowledge G-d's existence and also exalt Him for the good works of saving lives?...thereby negating Satan's power?!
Or...perhaps SATAN sent the tornado, but G-d figured out what was going on, and got there just in time to save a few survivors!
Or...maybe...G-d sent the tornado, but only to display His mighty power to warn the community to repent; but then SATAN jumped into it without being invited, and killed some of the community just to make trouble, and then....?!?
??? ??? :P :P ??? :o :o :o
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